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Draco Burnz
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Foxxie said:
The issue comes in that umbral chests have the chance of giving 200m. As a limited-to-once-per-account promotion, this is fine. But as an infinite way of directly buying gp it's just absurd. Say someone gets all the lucky and rare items, then they're guarenteed 200m per $116 spent. And that is straight up selling gold at just under 2m/$1.


Isnt a bond doing just this?

Yes its not 200m but you're still buying gold in a way.

Also the chances of anyone getting multiple 200ms are very, very slim.

Plus just because you get all luckies and whatnot, you still have to deal with proteans that never run out.
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19-Feb-2019 04:02:03 - Last edited on 19-Feb-2019 04:04:24 by Draco Burnz

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Leon Salvaje said:
i would support but the fact that these things still have items like proteans and rare item tokens as possible rewards.. i'd say only a fool would spend that much for a single chest


If you have that much money to spend on multiple chests, then good on you.
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19-Feb-2019 04:13:55

Jaekob Caed
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Meh, the game's economy is relatively self-sustaining at this point thanks to gold and item sinks like Bonds, the charity wishing well and Invention. I sincerely doubt these chests are harming the economy in any significant, long-term way. ~ Jacob, Prince of the Kingdom of Heaven ~
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19-Feb-2019 08:22:59

Konota
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Jaekob Caed said:
Meh, the game's economy is relatively self-sustaining at this point thanks to gold and item sinks like Bonds, the charity wishing well and Invention. I sincerely doubt these chests are harming the economy in any significant, long-term way.

Yep. Take a look at the vacuum, that's more impactful than a single item from a 450-keys chest.
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19-Feb-2019 08:38:03 - Last edited on 19-Feb-2019 08:39:30 by Konota

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Jaekob Caed said:
Meh, the game's economy is relatively self-sustaining at this point thanks to gold and item sinks like Bonds, the charity wishing well and Invention. I sincerely doubt these chests are harming the economy in any significant, long-term way.

We don't know how much they damage the economy, but we do know that they do damage the economy (since it's common sense that more gp enters the game -> inflation is fueled, and the more supply of items/exp -> the less demand there is), and since their existence in the game is completely illogical (just like you don't present a good reason for them to exist, only excuse them), the chests might as well be removed, and nothing good would be lost.
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19-Feb-2019 13:19:28

Draco Burnz
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Blackwing said:
We don't know how much they damage the economy, but we do know that they do damage the economy (since it's common sense that more gp enters the game -> inflation is fueled, and the more supply of items/exp -> the less demand there is), and since their existence in the game is completely illogical (just like you don't present a good reason for them to exist, only excuse them), the chests might as well be removed, and nothing good would be lost.


Uhh, thats where you're wrong.

If they remove them, then that just shows they listen to complainers and thats just another slippery slope.
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20-Feb-2019 11:34:22

Blackwing
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Draco Burnz said:
Blackwing said:
We don't know how much they damage the economy, but we do know that they do damage the economy (since it's common sense that more gp enters the game -> inflation is fueled, and the more supply of items/exp -> the less demand there is), and since their existence in the game is completely illogical (just like you don't present a good reason for them to exist, only excuse them), the chests might as well be removed, and nothing good would be lost.


Uhh, thats where you're wrong.

If they remove them, then that just shows they listen to complainers and thats just another slippery slope.

Because Jagex is always perfect and can't make mistakes/do wrong, huh? :P

Seriously though, when Jagex does something wrong, we absolutely should call them out for it and make them fix it. And in this case, I've presented multiple issues that the chests cause, all the while the people defending the chests haven't presented any reasons as to how the chests are good for the game's health. The only thing they've tried to do is excuse the chests for not being as bad as something else, but that just goes to show that they themselves don't know of any reasons as to how the chests are good for the game either, or they'd bring them up instead of the excuses.
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20-Feb-2019 18:12:21

Dilbert2001
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Blackwing said:
Draco Burnz said:
Blackwing said:
We don't know how much they damage the economy, but we do know that they do damage the economy (since it's common sense that more gp enters the game -> inflation is fueled, and the more supply of items/exp -> the less demand there is), and since their existence in the game is completely illogical (just like you don't present a good reason for them to exist, only excuse them), the chests might as well be removed, and nothing good would be lost.


Uhh, thats where you're wrong.

If they remove them, then that just shows they listen to complainers and thats just another slippery slope.


And in this case, I've presented multiple issues that the chests cause, all the while the people defending the chests haven't presented any reasons as to how the chests are good for the game's health.


Also told you on Page 13, Post 9:

"If Umbral Chests were so bad and nobody bought them, Jagex would not have used them in their promotions.

Obviously, Jagex found Umbral Chests good for their marketing campaigns and the integrity of the games so they put more of them in their other promotions.

Same thing with xp lamps/stars... if you hate them so much just don't buy them. If nobody buy them there will be something else in their slots... however, if other players like and buy a lot of them then too bad to you and you just need to accept their existence. :)"


For Jagex's games to be in good integrity and even have an economy, Jagex must be in good financial integrity and prevail in the real world economy. Consumers want them, consumers buy them, Jagex sell them. Economics 101... that's the most practical reason. :D

20-Feb-2019 19:19:45

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