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Blackwing

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Today's game update thread was locked before I had the time to respond to some people regarding this subject, so I thought to address them while I still remember. :P

Uncle Pob said:
How many other developers out there can you think of that are capable of, and actually succeed in putting out what you define as an actual game update almost weekly?

Can't think of many, or any?

There's a reason for that which Jagex also isn't immune to.

Right, it seems you don't understand my reasoning for almost weekly updates, so let's go back to the start: when people have certain expectations for game developers in regards to their work output, it's based on their proven abilities as well as their monetization model. The more money the company asks for their game, the higher the expectations naturally are. In your quote here, you seem to be completely ignoring that, and are only focusing on the developers' abilities.

This applies to Jagex in the way that they have been able to deliver almost weekly updates before with no MTX, only membership revenue. When they added MTX and really started to push them more and more, even though they told us that the quality and quantity of the game updates would improve, the opposite happened on both. We're now expected to pay more money (even though their financial statements prove that MTX isn't needed at all to keep the game profitable), while we're getting less in return. Pretty much the only thing that has improved are the graphics, but graphics don't matter if the gameplay is neglected like it has been.
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14-Jan-2019 12:33:23

Blackwing

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Final Tease said:
So, are you hoping they release a quest, or a new boss today? In lieu of the size of the update from last week, it's difficult to determine from your original post what you mean exactly by consistency. They've been consistently releasing quests every few months, have been consistently changing the MTX, and have been working on various QOL updates such as POFs and Elite Dungeons. What are your expectations for consistency that they can deliver within the next 12 minutes? Is their current pacing of updates insufficient for you?

By consistency I mean delivering actual game updates such that when there is a patch week like there was this week, the patch week is an exception, rather than yet another one. For starters, it'd be great if Jagex could start delivering 3 actual game updates per month again, although they're able to do months with 4 in them too as proven in the past.

What the new content is can be anything from a new quest, to a new slayer monster, to a skill rework, the size varies all the time. Not expecting full reworks like M&S every week, but after an update like that, a small new content addition is still to be expected, at least unless the patch week would be an exception otherwise.

(And seriously, "consistently releasing quests every few months"? Their quest output has steadily decreased over the years, both in quality and quantity. It's far from being consistent currently.)
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14-Jan-2019 12:33:32

Blackwing

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Subzero said:
You literally have zero idea of how a development studio runs


In the past more updates were received because they were generally of lower quality. Compare the quality of the game's art assets from then vs now and this quickly becomes obvious.


I could knock out some old-style RuneScape 3D art a lot faster than I could make RS3 models, because the RS3 process is a lot longer. OSRS models have no textures, RS3 models have several textures. OSRS models are less geometrically detailed, RS3 models are more geometrically detailed.


And this doesn't even account for the code side, which as an artist I have little knowledge on but still enough knowledge to know that developing for a larger game takes longer because there is more to test, and a more complicated code base.


Literally no pleasing some people - Jagex have literally just shown that they can do a huge rework successfully and you're still whinging at them? Cancel your membership and give us all a rest if you don't like it.

Graphics have improved for sure, but like they always say, graphics alone don't make for a great game. If the gameplay isn't up to par, it doesn't matter how pretty the game looks. It's actually pretty funny that you bring up OSRS, because it proves this: the secondary product of the company is more popular than the intended "flagship" product, despite having technically inferior graphics. (I'd encourage you to read the other posts in this thread as well btw.)

About that last paragraph; when the rework released last week, I actually complimented them, since it was a successful game update after all, patches and new content. If you want people to give compliments, you have to accept complaints too, and since this week was only half successful (patches but no new content), this week there was a complaint instead.
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14-Jan-2019 12:33:41

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