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KijinSeija said:


No it won’t. Revolution still requires knwoing rotations of abilities and therefore arrangements on the action bar. This confusion can only be addressed on legacy mode.


That or a 30 second search on the wiki to find optimal ability bars for pretty much any situation.

EDIT: You know what, idk why I'm even replying to this toyz quality bait lmao. I eagerly await your inevitable forum ban.

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11-Mar-2019 04:40:30 - Last edited on 11-Mar-2019 04:41:15 by A Vitalis

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I Am Singham said:
Aria Ventus said:
In my opinion, they're balanced enough as is

I wouldn't go that far...

Legacy is "superior" in the sense that it'll produce big numbers and in its inherent simplicity, but EoC is superior in pretty much every other aspect. Not only is it much, much faster, it's much more versatile (see: stuns, bleeds, heals, damage negation etc.) and its Ultimates (which recharge much faster than spec. energy anyway) can hit very high as well. Never mind that Revolution makes combat about as interactive as Legacy. There really is very little reason to use Legacy over EoC once you've become adept in the latter. It's better for PvM. Heck, it's better for PvP as well -- unless the guy using Legacy gets lucky and one-hits you with an AGS spec or something, but the chance of that happening is astronomically lower than the guy using EoC stun-locking the Legacy guy and whittling away his HP to nothing, slowly but surely.


This isn't a problem. Legacy was never intended to be competitive with EoC. Legacy requires a fraction of the amount of input EoC does (even revo requires you to time defensives, manually trigger abilities like Surge and Freedom, switches, etc), basically no understanding of the game, lowers the already rather low skill ceiling, and leaves very little room for engaging mechanics.

That being said, if we wanted to talk about making legacy on-par with zero input revo, and maybe adding basic utilities to legacy (personally I think Freedom should be in some way available in legacy, similar to how legacy players can use Provoke with a T90 shield), then there's plenty of room for that discussion. However, that deserves its own thread instead of being discussed on a blatant troll thread.

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13-Mar-2019 01:44:15

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I Am Singham said:

Even so, the "main" combat system shouldn't have such a clear edge in a PvP scenario. For PvM, you can opt to use Legacy and simply avoid harder bosses. For PvP, you're basically coerced into using EoC just to survive an average "PKer" because, like you pointed out, Legacy players can't use "Freedom" and similar must-haves. As such, they generally can't survive an encounter with an EoCer. That's a problem.


Well, that opens up an entirely different can of worms. It's nearly impossible to perfectly balance EoC and Legacy in PvP, and if one has even a slight advantage over the other that's what people will flock to. You can see this various class/hero based games, if one class or hero or whatever is even slightly stronger than the others, it's pretty much guaranteed to be the one used most. People aren't necessarily looking for an even fight, they're looking to win.

Legacy and EoC are so radically different from one another that achieving anything even remotely resembling a balance between the two in PvP is unlikely, so the best solution is to do exactly what they do now; give legacy players their own worlds where players can't even use EoC.

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13-Mar-2019 02:30:21

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Aqua Star said:
I'm fine with wildy slaying as long as there are legacy worlds. Keeps a better community that way anyway.


I agree. Keeps the problem quarantined.

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13-Mar-2019 11:39:01

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There's so much wrong with this thread that it's not even worth giving a serious response to.

I have to wonder how this thread has been cleaned up 3 separate times by the fmods and not locked yet for being blatant bait created and operated by two blatant trolls. Nothing of any value is being discussed here, just OP and Aqua Star (but alas, I repeat myself) jerking each other off while other people foolishly try to have an actual conversation with them.

You're wasting your time.

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16-Mar-2019 05:36:31

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