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I have quite a big screen (4k) and the login background looks like this:



Doesn't this look ridiculous?
Can the background be stretched so no black areas show up? The loss in quality is much less annoying than those black areas.

EDIT: suggestion of Joseph F 1: also make cursors bigger, they easily get lost in big screens.

EDIT: According to Mod Edge, interface scaling is coming, but there is no release date yet.

EDIT: suggestion of Alexandreana to bring back the awesome 3D background and the suggestion of Trewavas to bring back the even older login screen with the flames of Lloigh-Enn.

EDIT: suggestion of KingChris to make some objects in a stactic background move a bit.

EDIT: why do I usually get the background of Sliske's Endgame when I choose for 'random'? I am seeing it way too much for it to be just random compared to all the other backgrounds...
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29-Oct-2017 16:11:36 - Last edited on 22-Nov-2018 22:08:19 by Kings Abbot

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I don't know if there are any settings you can change to adjust that but, if there are none, they most definitely need adding. The problem could also have something to do with your computers display settings, I would have a play in there and see if you can fix it.

Another 4k problem that needs addressing is the size of the cursor. On my screen it is very small and can be easily lost, especially during game modes such as dimensions of the damned. So a toggle to adjust the cursor size would be useful. I have already adjusted it to its maximum size in the windows settings.


If I adjust the game window and make it smaller, the image stays the same size, so making the window small enough makes the image fit, but then the whole game is in a smaller window.
I don't have any problems with a small cursor, I let Windows zoom in up to 150% to make everything on the screen bigger, and although the cursor is smaller than on the laptop I used before, I can still find it back easily. But I understand that on big screens, the cursor can easily get lost, so I'll add it to the first post as well.
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02-Nov-2017 16:19:13

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RuneScape doesn't really support 4k (yet).


Ninja-fix: Let RuneScape support 4k! Stretching the login image isn't that hard to do. Making the font size or the mouse size adjustable could take a bit longer.
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09-Nov-2017 11:58:35

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Change resolution maybe? Or play in full screen.

Edit:
Support


Playing in full screen gives that ridiculous black area's in the login screen. If I make the window smaller, the image stays the same size so the black disappears, but then I'm not using all of my screen, and games are meant to be played fullscreen. I already let Windows zoom 150 % in on everything to make stuff better visible on such a big screen, so when I don't do that (just tested it), the black areas take up about 3/4 of the whole screen!

The highest resulution RuneScape can handle is lower than 4k, 3413 x 1920, while a normal 4k screen (the one with the 16:9 aspect ratio) has 3840 x 2160. I don't really see a difference that the game isn't optimal for the monitor. The background images on the login screen themselves seem to be smaller than the 3413 x 1920 RuneScape provides, and it seems they cannot be streched, and this is what stings my eyes.
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10-Nov-2017 10:43:02

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No support. Login screen doesn't need to be overly fancy. Keep it simple.


Stretching the image isn't overly fancy, the black areas just looks ridiculous. I'll add an image next weekend of how it looks without Windows zooming in to 150%, it really looks like a black hole.
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13-Nov-2017 16:09:11 - Last edited on 13-Nov-2017 18:22:04 by Kings Abbot

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Hey fellow 4K monitor user. I do feel your pain with tiny backgrounds and mouse cursors. Not just RuneScape but lots of games.

However, good news is that interface scaling is under development. I can't give you an ETA.


Thanks for the info! I'm glad it's on the way!
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14-Nov-2017 18:13:43

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I don't have a 4k screen but, support. It honestly can't be that difficult.
Nvm literally one second later I realised that it'd actually end up looking horrible if they just streched it.
They should still try and make 4k versions of the artwork imo but I can see that being a much longer process.
Perhaps instead they could just add a (few) 4k boarder(s) in the meantime so that people don't have to constantly be looking at that boring black boarder.


Stretching only will make the image a bit blurier, but the images have the same width:heighth ratio as normal 16:9 screens, so the image won't look stretched out, it just gets bigger.
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14-Nov-2017 18:46:46 - Last edited on 14-Nov-2017 18:47:19 by Kings Abbot

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Letting Windows zooming in 150% already makes everything, including RuneScape, so much better to see and read. I should zoom to 200% to make the image fit I think, but then everything gets too big and I lose the advantage op placing lots of things on the screen simultaneously without overlap.

I already have 30+ frames per second with every setting maxed, and since the human eye can only see about 25 fps, I won't notice the difference in fps, but I do notice the somewhat lower quality when I turn the resolution down. MY problem is just the black I don't like to see at login, but I sure do understand the problems other people are having with the (current) lack of 4k support.
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15-Nov-2017 17:02:12

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No support. Login screen doesn't need to be overly fancy. Keep it simple.


Stretching the image isn't overly fancy, the black areas just looks ridiculous. I'll add an image next weekend of how it looks without Windows zooming in to 150%, it really looks like a black hole.


This is how it looks without Windows zooming in to 150%:

Still convinced it doesn't need changing? Three-quarters of the background is just black.
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19-Nov-2017 09:33:03

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Hopefully before a few players get an 8K display :P


What about already working on making it compatible with 8k? You'll have a head start, and 4k is supported automatically! ;)


Something else completely: since I seem to have gained the attention of a JMod, I cannot let this opportunity go to waste.
Could you (or a collegue) help me with this very weird and unique bug? Bug reports didn't help (I sent many in the past) and posting threads on the forums got them locked.
Many music tracks are wrongfully unlocked (61 of them I think), together with two Doomsayer warnings and an outfit from Solomon's. I'm vey sure these shouldn't be unlocked, see this locked thread of mine that is not yet eaten by the monster on page 51 (some of the tracks on there can be removed since they became f2p and I did the stuff needed to unlock them properly).
Only a JMod is able to re-lock these things.

Are you willing to help me or bring this to the attention of someone who could help me?

I promise this is the last time I try to get the attention to get it fixed, and i will accept whatever the outcome is of this attempt.
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24-Nov-2017 12:32:58

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Personally I miss the 3D background of Runescape scenery we used to have way back in the day.


I completely forgot about that! I could look at that for ages!
Couldn't it have been videos though? You didn't have the option to examine stuff, everything behaved exactly the same way over and over, and it would have been easier on the graphics card.
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06-Dec-2017 17:11:56

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Support, I see no reason why the login screen should not scale with the aspect resolution of modern high resolution monitors!


Thanks for the support! Since they're working on it, it shouldn't take that long before it arrives.
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05-Jan-2018 17:44:52

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Personally I miss the 3D background of Runescape scenery we used to have way back in the day.


Would be a nice touch if we could have this returned as an option.

Or the old login screen with the flaming torches.


The flaming torches were nice to look at too! Having an option to go to the old 3D background (maybe showing other/additional places) or the flames of Lloigh-Inn (revealed to be called like this in a God Letter way back and available as home tele after completing the Gower Quest) would be awesome!
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13-Jan-2018 12:30:14

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Just read all the posts.

Is the issue just the login screen?
If so, I definitely support.
There must be more to it?

I know there is no ETA on interface scaling.
We can at least be told the anticipated year.

By the sounds of it, interface scaling is probably a
2019
project.
There was no specific mention of it in "The Year Ahead: 2018".
Has Jagex at least published an article discussing basic details?


Mod Edge said they were working on it, so I guess it will come this year. It's not that complicated as a Mining and Smithing Rework or making an app out of the game. They also don't reveal every update for the coming year, only the biggest things and the stuff they promised us some time ago.
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23-Jan-2018 16:39:33

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Fingers crossed.


Toes, arms and legs crossed as well to quadruple the effect!
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24-Jan-2018 16:57:03

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Title changed at your request. :D

Also definitely support! Glad Edge was able to give some info on this, as someone who uses pretty big monitors myself this should be super exciting to see implemented!


Thanks for the title change and the support!
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18-Feb-2018 15:55:15

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Rs in general is terrible in 4k, i usually go down to 1080p or 1440p for RS personally.
I agree that Runescape should be changed to fit larger resolutions, but i think it's more than just the login screen. I mean, could you really play with 4K interfaces? It's so tiny you can't see anything.


That's why I let Windows zoom in for 150%, that makes it better already. Stuff is bigger, but there's still lots of free space.
Interface scaling should help everythink I think, so whenever that comes out it should fix it all.
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30-Mar-2018 11:52:10

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Rs in general is terrible in 4k, i usually go down to 1080p or 1440p for RS personally.
I agree that Runescape should be changed to fit larger resolutions, but i think it's more than just the login screen. I mean, could you really play with 4K interfaces? It's so tiny you can't see anything.


That's why I let Windows zoom in for 150%, that makes it better already. Stuff is bigger, but there's still lots of free space.
Interface scaling should help everythink I think, so whenever that comes out it should fix it all.


Yea i can't use Windows scaling, it's not supported in a lot of applications so text/interfaces just look weird. That being said i'd like to see an ingame interface scaling, Would be a better solution imo.


You can't use it? That's weird. It just acts like your monitor is smaller and then stretches the image back to the full size of the monitor. Windows does give a warning that some applications will only scale well after signing off from the pc and signing back in, and that fixes the apps that don't work along initially.

About that interface scaling, according to Mod Edge it is something they are working on, see my first post and his first post on page two. It will come eventually.
I keep this bumped so that jagex might impelement the other ideas here for a better login background as well (flames of Lloigh-Enn, the 3D background etc.) and that they don't forget to work on it since they said they are.
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31-Mar-2018 11:14:16

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Applications need to support it tho, which a lot of applications dont.
The warning is for applications that supports it, but needs to be restarted before it will work, hence "Sign out and back in", can just restart the application.

As i said, some applications don't support it which is why i don't use it.


I had to copy the text and fiddle with the quote code because it was going past the 2000-character limit.

I haven't seen any application acting weird when zoomed in, can you give me some examples of what doesn't work and what exactly happens?

To make sure we are talking abou the same thing: if you click the cog icon in Windows 10 and see al the settings, click the first one (system), and go to the first group of settings about the screen (it should already be on that since it's the first), there's this second option about 'scale and layout'. This is the one where you can select from 100% - 350 %.
Is this the one you've tried to use?
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01-Apr-2018 10:58:30

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Applications need to support it tho, which a lot of applications dont.
The warning is for applications that supports it, but needs to be restarted before it will work, hence "Sign out and back in", can just restart the application.

As i said, some applications don't support it which is why i don't use it.


I had to copy the text and fiddle with the quote code because it was going past the 2000-character limit.

I haven't seen any application acting weird when zoomed in, can you give me some examples of what doesn't work and what exactly happens?

To make sure we are talking abou the same thing: if you click the cog icon in Windows 10 and see al the settings, click the first one (system), and go to the first group of settings about the screen (it should already be on that since it's the first), there's this second option about 'scale and layout'. This is the one where you can select from 100% - 350 %.
Is this the one you've tried to use?


Easier to link you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF210WeR9C8


Long live Microsoft! I do notice stuff is a bit more blurry, but that's quite OK, it's not that I can't read it anymore. I was stuck on a bad laptop for years so I was used to an fps below ten on very low quality, so in comparison, it's wonderful now!
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01-Apr-2018 17:04:12

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Is it a possibility to add a dynamic background as a selection in the drop down menu? It doesn't have to be a video playing, if that's too big of a task, but rather movement of certain objects withing the background. I think it would be a good eye catcher.


That would be a nice option as well, I'll add it to the first post.
I'm more a fan of the old 3D-background, but if that's too hard to accomplish, I can settle on this.
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30-Apr-2018 10:46:54

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oh my thats not nice on the eyes.


No, indeed! I'm slowly going blind because of it! :)
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26-Jul-2018 16:04:33

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Support

Any news on this?


Not that I know of.
I don't watch their livestreams or follow them on social media, so if they say something there about this, I'm probably the last to know.
Thanks for the support!
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30-Jul-2018 10:19:57

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Still Support


I thought for sure this issue was already fixed!

Thought it was an easy fix; but, now I think it must be a bit more complicated.


I think Jagex has their hands full on Mobile, Elite DUngeons 2 and the Mining & Smithing rework (I think, haven't heard of that in a long while). Maybe when all of that is done...
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03-Aug-2018 09:50:58

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I have a 4k screen; works fine with me. I guess reinstalling your client doesnt solve the problem?

this is more of a bug than a request to fix something that is ignored in this game


If you let Windows zoom in 200% the image will have the same size as your screen since Windows acts like your 4k screen is just a regular (1k) screen and the images are desogned for those. Are you sure Windows isn't doing that on your device? Also, you are 100% sure your monitor is really 4k?

I'll try your suggestion this weekend if I have time and will report the outcome. I doubt it'll work since Mod Edge said that 4k isn't supported yet and that interface scaling will solve it, which will come with Mobile I hope. I haven't seen anything in the patches about 4k suddenly being supported.
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11-Oct-2018 11:56:28

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Sad,
Dude just wasting his time trying to help jagex and they do nothing as always.


Add more mtx jaggy, good job.


Not sure if trolling
[insert Fry from Futurama]
or hasn't read the whole thread...
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09-Nov-2018 11:07:16

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Sad,
Dude just wasting his time trying to help jagex and they do nothing as always.


Add more mtx jaggy, good job.


Not sure if trolling
[insert Fry from Futurama]
or hasn't read the whole thread...

You do waste your time bumping this thread 10x times a day.


You must have miscounted as I only bump once a day (if I have the time to visit the forums, which is usually the case) and only if this thread isn't on the front page anymore. It's also a great way to keep track of all the new posts since my previous visit.
And it's not wasting my time, it just takes two seconds to click 'bump' and continue reading the forums. If you think this is wasting time, why are you even posting here? That surely must be the biggest waste of time according to your logic.
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