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This wouldn't be so bad, if you guys didn't try to squeeze every last penny from the playerbase by having membership, cosmetic MTX and P2W MTX all at once. Let's be honest, as long as you have all the MTX in the game, you don't need to increase the membership costs. Respectively, if you removed TH, this would be understandable. > )
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10-Apr-2018 14:08:56

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Mod Cam said:
That's correct - As long as you maintain your subscription (with a 14 day grace period), your subscription costs will be locked to it's current rate.

That's a sweet way to sugarcoat it, but you're basically saying "just stay with us forever, with minimal allowance to leave temporarily, and you don't need to worry about it; no biggie". How about explaining properly why you need that extra money in the first place, when you're already making huge profits as shown by the company's financial statements?
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10-Apr-2018 14:26:52

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Takadoxus said:
Will the number of RuneCoins and keys we get for one bond also go up like they did last time?
12 keys-> 15 keys
150 Coins-> 195 coins

Nope, Shauny confirmed on Reddit that the redeem values will remain the same:

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10-Apr-2018 15:18:51 - Last edited on 10-Apr-2018 15:18:59 by Blackwing

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Lego Miester said:
Pretty much. I'm a 15 year vet and finally caved to swap to "I'll buy a bond once in a while once enough good content has accumulated" despite losing the grandfathering, but making it cost even more will only encourage me to spend even longer stretches of time without membership to squeeze the most out of the increasingly overpriced months.

Yeah, that's what I'd do too if OSRS didn't exist. But sadly, in order to play it, I must pay the same amount of money as I would to play RS3 and it's added in regardless. > /
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10-Apr-2018 15:39:17 - Last edited on 10-Apr-2018 15:40:18 by Blackwing

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Therok said:
To all most of the players complaining about the upcoming price increase:

You obviously haven't been around long enough to realize that costs go up...for everything...and everywhere, both on the production side, and as a result, on the consuming side.

According to Jagex's own financial statements, they've been making record profits after MTX was added to the game, and even without any MTX they still would've made a decent chunk of profit. So please, trying to excuse this as "oh it's just the inflation!" is pointless, because they literally don't need to increase their prices. > )

And even if they actually had to increase prices due to inflation, a more in-depth explanation than "dear players, just trust us blindly based on this ambiguous statement, thank you" would certainly help to prove their case. Because as of right now, what they're doing is basic PR.


Therok said:
As far as MTX goes... it's optional, and shouldn't be tied in any way to the actual price of playing the game - that's on you if you buy into it...

Do you honestly think that a gaming company like Jagex would just make something like TH with the intention of it being "optional"? MTX like TH is designed to be too lucrative to pass on, so that even if you do skip it, you'll feel bad about missing out on it and/or you'll be at a disadvantage compared to someone who does buy into it.

In the case of TH, everyone who doesn't use it has to grind significantly more than those who do use it, it kills the meaning from competing for hiscores, it injects resources like bars, herbs, food etc from the "junk" prize slots into the game that the key buyers don't bother using themselves, so the prices of those resources drops (from increased supply, as well as decreased demand when key buyers don't need to buy them to train buyable skills). And the list goes on...
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10-Apr-2018 17:38:29 - Last edited on 10-Apr-2018 17:40:20 by Blackwing

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Trevopada said:
Just because Jagex posts a profit doesn't mean their cost of business isn't rising every year. Rent, employee salaries, hydro costs, etc. go up every single year. The only way Jagex can keep their profits the same or higher in addition to diversifying their games/products would be to pass along the costs to their users. This is the only way the company stays profitable, its investors invest in it and this game maintains its development.

At the end of the day, I still feel that the membership prices are very reasonable for game of this size now a days. While I can understand that no one would like to pay more, this is just a fact of life when it comes to inflation.

Considering the profits they have made, and the fact that we're constantly expected to pay more for less actual updates, and how many times they have posted similar statements which turned out to be lies or overpromising, it's about time that they'd properly explain to their customers why they need to get even more money from us, and of course they should start delivering a lot more than they have. Otherwise it just naturally comes across as trying to squeeze out as much money as they can, with no real need to do so.
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10-Apr-2018 18:26:19

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2pt said:
If this means fewer MTX promos and more ingame content that cannot be bought with IRL gp, then I see this as a positive future change (however inconvenient it may be to others).

It sure would be positive if that was the case; however, knowing Jagex, they would've reaped that positive PR already by stating that, if it was going to be the case. So unfortunately, it's very unlikely that TH is going to be toned down; at best, it might stay the same.
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10-Apr-2018 21:28:34

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^ It might be a troll post, seeing as that person has a grandfathered membership and no premier club, so there would be no need for her to "save a little more to continue playing", when her price would remain the same. > )
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11-Apr-2018 18:00:03

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Janos Morgan said:
Also, I will leave this here.
Mod Balance said:
Runescape Monetisation
Balance may have been asked to leave, but his thread still stands.

Oh yea, I almost forgot the classic Jagex logic; when a jmod leaves from the company, anything they said in the past can be automatically made null and void, regardless of whether the said jmod was the person in charge of the statement/quote/whatever expression, or if he/she was simply the messenger of it...

Meh.
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11-Apr-2018 18:22:27

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Janos Morgan said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I'm saying that even though you're right, that despite Balance leaving, his thread still stands, I bet Jagex is still going to invalidate it now that "Balance is no longer a part of the company", even though he might have simply been the messenger with that thread.
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11-Apr-2018 18:46:54

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MrsGuinevere said:
EVERYONE chill, you spend more going out to eat a month then you do having 30 days of game pay.

If you don't like the Price (many should be on a grandfather locked in Rate) then be so kind show Runescape how it is done by developing a GAME worth 17 years of content created BY YOU.


While you at it please Tell us how much work it is, how many people you have employed, How much in Taxes you pay, all the Technicalities and Coding that goes into your Game, EVERYTING that has to do with being a GAME OWNER in the size Jagex has grown world wide. As a NOW young Adult show us how it is done.

If you don't know or you are NOT willing to make or try to make a Game of your own either LEAVE RUNESCAPE or accept the changes. Runescape/ Jagex has their Reasons for the hike, some of which they are not ready to reveal. Stop acting like 2 year old spoiled brats throwing a Temper Tantrum.

Jesus; you talk about others being spoiled brats throwing a tantrum, all the while you yourself throw a fit over people criticizing Jagex's questionable choices in monetization, because... why, exactly? > )

Also, how do you know that Jagex "has their reasons which they are not ready to reveal"? You obviously don't work for Jagex, so you should be able to give a source for this claim without problems, yes?
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12-Apr-2018 00:21:46

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MrsGuinevere said:
lol funny I am considered in the same batch.
How do you deal with real life price changes? your internet Provider will be raising their cost by 10 a month. Your choice stay or go and find a better price. Mc Donald's raises the price of their Cheeseburger. Your choice to purchase or not. Now why did those two raise the price? one says inflation the other says nothing. You can write a letter to their Corporate office and complain, but in the end it changes nothing and you have to make a choice to support them or not.

Your behavior speaks for itself. > )

And please, you seem to be missing some crucial things here; one, that Jagex itself has reported record profits for its operations, and two, that membership is not the only price tag of Runescape; it's also outrageously filled with MTX. Numerous gaming companies, big and small alike, have shown that it is very possible to be profitable with either free entry to the game and MTX, or an entry fee/subscription and no MTX. And Jagex's own financial statements also confirm this, yet despite all of it, they still keep pushing both MTX and membership price increase, when they literally have no reason to do so, as shown by their own documents.

But to go back to your "comparisons"; my ISP only charges the agreed-upon subscription fee, and unlike Jagex, doesn't keep charging me for extra with garbage like MTX (yes, you can "ignore" it, but it's designed not to be ignored, and even if you do ignore it, you're missing out and at a disadvantage to someone who does buy into it). I don't eat fast food, so I don't care about McDonalds. Hopefully this answers your question.
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12-Apr-2018 01:27:44

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MrsGuinevere said:
How do you know Jagex doesn't have a reason for the Price hike? Maybe the cost is covering NEW Employees, maybe the cost will be due to Mobile, No I don't work for Jagex but I am old enough to know (even if I don't agree with it) that NO price ever stays the same in anything in life. Some times Prices go up due to improvement, new Products, higher taxes, more manpower or whatever. Sometimes prices go up with NO improvement whatsoever. Plain and simple that is part of life. It is up to the consumer what to figure out what to do with it.

I'll throw the ball right back at you: how do you know Jagex does have a proper reason for the price hike? > )

If Jagex doesn't like this negative criticism, and feel like it's wrong, by all means, they're welcome to explain in better detail why they need that money on top of all the record profits from MTX.

And yep, sometimes prices go up without improvement in return; but what Jagex has done is heavily increase the price (by not only increasing membership price, but also constantly spamming MTX promotions) and given us less in return than before. We used to get more and higher quality updates than we do now. Now we get patch weeks more and more often, as well as the spam of lazy copy-paste temporary events, as filler for the lack of proper game updates.
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12-Apr-2018 01:28:39

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MrsGuinevere said:
I am not the whining person I am trying to be a voice of reason. Why the back lash on me or others that try to explain that it is up to you to leave or stay and pay the new cost. Which btw does NOT change if you have current re occurring Payments. Just keep your current membership and nothing changes.

That last sentence is false btw. What if after this price increase, I suddenly feel like wanting to make a new alt? I can't add it to my existing account, because only one character can be done per account, and if I make a new account, I have to pay the new membership price. So much for "just keep your current membership and nothing changes".

But wait, it doesn't end there; what if I want premier club on my existing character? Premier club doesn't include your grandfathered membership rate; it uses the new pricing. So even if I don't make a new account, I can still be affected by the price increase. Oh dear. > /
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12-Apr-2018 01:29:34

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MrsGuinevere said:
one thing is for sure the rs community as a whole is very impatient, judgmental and seems to KNOW IT ALL.

Jagex has dug its own grave by overpromising. Want to hear a funny joke? Mining and smithing rework was promised as an update for 2016. Ahahaha.

No but seriously, that's what actually happened. Back in 2015 Runefest, they told us that M&S rework would come in 2016. It's now 2018 and all we've had so far is a beta. People getting upset over it isn't impatience, because Jagex overpromised waaaay up there.

Other overpromised updates include: bank rework, mobile app, Solak... Mobile for instance was meant to be *released* in winter 2017, but has only had closed *betas* so far.

MrsGuinevere said:
ALL I hear is complaining. All I hear is rs is dead. All I hear is Rs should do this or that.
STOP COMPLAINING AND BUILD YOUR OWN DARN GAME. If you don't like the game leave, as many of you say WOW is so much better. Play it then. This is Runescape, it is what it is, it is build the way it is build. No person has the same thoughts, interests, likes or dislikes. I know I am in minority with my Statements, but let me be clear. I have played rs for a very long time. I DON'T always agree with everything, but I deal with it. (RS is NOT my Company- I am NOT in charge) If I get tired enough or disagree enough I will leave the Game. The same choice everyone has. I didn't know People are forced to play and stay on a Game they dislike.

You really can't handle criticism at all, can you? And the criticism directed at Jagex here shouldn't even concern you, so why do you get so offended about it?

If the developers started yelling "STOP COMPLAINING AND BUILD YOUR OWN DARN GAME" every time someone gave negative criticism, the game couldn't improve. People complain to Jagex, because they care about the game, and want to see it do better, rather than coddling it.

> )
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12-Apr-2018 15:34:24 - Last edited on 12-Apr-2018 15:34:32 by Blackwing

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MrsGuinevere said:
all the crying and whining and "ASSUMING"...............................

PATIENTS and Faith a quality that is hardly found anymore.

It has nothing to do with assumptions; Jagex has set its own timetables, and having failed to meet those deadlines, they're rightfully being criticized for it, just like anyone else would be for going past deadline on their work.

Reminder: M&S rework was revealed in 2015 Runefest as an update that'd come out in 2016. In 2018, we still don't have it. We've been patient for more than enough. > )
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13-Apr-2018 20:02:26 - Last edited on 13-Apr-2018 20:05:30 by Blackwing

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Zeera said:
I don't get why every 1 on here is complaining.

It said it ur a member and keep it, u will be paying regular price, which for me is only about 5$ per month...Been the same price since I been playing RS many many years ago. Yes, Sometimes I forget to extend it or my card gets messed up, but the 14-Days is enough to cover it.

I don't buy bonds or R.C anyways, so I don't have much say in that. It's not even needed for the average player to enjoy the game anyways, so I don't see the problem.

Grandfathered rate only applies to your existing accounts, for regular membership. So if you want to make a new alt, you have to make a new account -> you have to pay new membership price for it. And even if you look at your existing account only, if you should want to buy the premier club, it also ignores the grandfathered rates.
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13-Apr-2018 21:09:05

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MrsGuinevere said:
* same issue being mentioned......What's if I want to start a new account? start it now you have over 8 weeks before rates increase and put it onto a re occurring payment. Problem solved the current rate will apply (NOT THE JUNE 4TH ONE)

Alright, let's see... nope, I can't start my new group ironman mode account yet, because Jagex is still on very early development for making it. So how do you suggest that I make a new account for a game mode that Jagex is planning to develop, but has barely started doing so? You can't turn an existing account into an ironman. > )

Not to mention that Jagex could make even more such games modes in the years to come. You can't just "start it now".

And btw, what's your "solution" to premier club membership not accounting for your grandfathered rate?
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14-Apr-2018 09:40:15

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MrsGuinevere said:
Should We Reduce the Number of Worlds? (2014 Poll)

Question 1 of 1
Would you prefer to reduce the number of game worlds to choose from when playing RuneScape, or would you prefer to keep them as they are? We are proposing to remove 26 worlds out of 121 total.

Reduce the number of worlds

(21010 votes 36%)

Keep them as they are

(37491 votes 64%)

another issue some of you seem to have, but apparently missed the poll

What do these polls have to do with any of the discussion here?

People are upset because:

1.Jagex is trying to both increase the membership price *and* keep pushing MTX even more, even though Jagex has reported record profits; they don't need to do this. They're doing perfectly fine as is. > )

2. Jagex still hasn't delivered many of the updates they promised, and is trying to make more promises with this "damage control".

3. You can't pay for only the membership you need; two games need their own memberships, and a package deal can be given on top, not forced.
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14-Apr-2018 18:34:51

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MrsGuinevere said:
You think a community that has experienced so much issue with buggy release would appreciate them taking the time to get it done right, test it and test it and test it till it's perfect. You cant have it both ways record time of release (even if dates were promised- that just means they hit snags and found them before release) and then cry because it is not functioning to it's expectations.

Often we get both delays and bugs, regardless of the time taken to "test it and test it and test it till it's perfect". If Jagex doesn't want people criticizing them missing on deadlines, how about learning to either not give deadlines, or to play safe and make the deadlines longer? You can still release the update earlier if it gets done earlier, but taking longer than the deadline is unacceptable, considering that they have so much experience by now to know better than to give too short deadlines. > )

MrsGuinevere said:
lastly NO ONE is required to buy Treasure Hunter or Runecoins. STOP bringing it into the conversation. Those are Personal Choices not requirements.
The only requirement to Play ALL of Rs content is MEMBERSHIP and the choice of Payment is yours.

MTX (namely TH) still negatively affects your game experience, regardless of whether you buy into it or not (and it is intentionally designed to lure you into buying it). It devalues endgame moneymaking methods, it forces people who pay membership with gp (bonds) to work more for their membership, it crashes the prices of resources etc. Everyone is affected in one (or more) way(s) or another, key buyer or not. Not to mention that, like said many times before, Jagex has reported record profits thanks to all that MTX; they don't need to increase the membership price, as they're doing perfectly fine as they are.

Membership and no TH, or TH and no membership. Pick one option, Jagex.
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14-Apr-2018 19:58:58

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Blak Paladin said:
Well, i guess i should be grateful to you for proving one of my earlier points right: when the time comes, apologists will try to go for the "it's just a vocal minority" narrative rather than try to understand why people are "mad"... unless it's a snobish and sometimes sarcastic attempt at doing so just made in order to take jabs at other people... just remember that once MTX's make it into old school (like you apparently want), the good ol' "just go old school" excuse will have to be thrown out the window... but then again, i wonder, if this "issue" is so non-important that it's ridiculous that people are mad... then why is it that you have the need to constantly come back to defend the price increase?

I suppose some are after that silver crown by thinking that advocating Jagex at every turn could earn them that neat status symbol... or they're simply such fanboys/girls that they don't realize they're being taken advantage of.

It's just sad that they accept both the excessive monetization damaging the community and the excessive MTX damaging the game, because even if all that was necessary to prolong the game's existence, what does it matter how long the game stays alive, if the game experience becomes awful in the process? I'd rather play a great game for as long as it lasts, than play an awful game for even a second. But honestly, that's not even a concern if Jagex picked one monetization model (membership or MTX, preferably the former) and stuck to it; the game would survive very well, as shown by their financial statements.

Thus the players who don't coddle Jagex at times like this, when it's necessary to be brutally honest to halt the downward spiral, are those who truly care about the game. > )
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15-Apr-2018 18:59:02

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JBJ Fan said:
Glad the price won't change for us that constantly pay. However, I think it's ridiculous you think there is a need to raise membership prices when you haven't added any value into the game, IMO. (I'm aware this would be arguable). I have played RS for many years and the same frustrations never change. Always fighting for a world that isn't inundated with bots, so you finally find a spot and then it's taken over by others players in 2 minutes, so you start your switching worlds for another spot. It's so frustrating and as much as you may love the game it makes it miserable.

It'll change to existing players too, if they want to make new accounts, if they pay with bonds, or if they buy premier club membership.

For the other thing, I agree that competition for spots is a very big problem in both games still to this day. RS3 mods don't seem to even care, but for OSRS the mods did talk about implementing a system where an in-game feature could display you which worlds have occupied certain spots and which are open. So hopefully that gets done as soon as possible, and that the RS3 mods also start to care. > )
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15-Apr-2018 21:56:08

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Mipst said:
I don't understand the fuss.

There is a generous grace period of 14 days on all packages.

Because the "generous grace period" does absolutely nothing for you if:

a) You make a new account post-price increase (because we still can't have more than one character per account on the same game), such as when the group ironman mode gets released and you want to try it out.

b) You buy your membership through premier club, because it doesn't consider your grandfathered rate, and instead uses the newest pricing.

c) You buy membership with gp (bonds), because the gp price of bonds is bound to go up from this change.
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