Lore Clean-Up: Timeline, etc.
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I recently revisited the Old School Mousepad Map of Gielinor - sorry I didn't post it here; I don't have an account for it. I think we could treat this map as a very good, properly scaled map of Gielinor. It has some drawbacks, but they are fixable. For example, it's missing some known islands, but includes Braindeath. It moves Ashdale near to Lumbridge, Draynor and Lumbridge Swamp south onto a penninsula, and the Wizards' Tower to an island west of the new penninsula. The Kharidian subcontinent perhaps leans a little too far west but could be re-oriented to restore its continuity with the Wushanko Isles in the east.
It also has some significant advantages. It's nicely drawn. The various regions are not so boxy; their climates make more sense. The cities do not occupy so much space. And the strategic significance of several geographic features becomes obvious. I will survey a few:
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B) The continuity of the Trollweiss Mountains all the way to Ice Mountain and White Wolf Mountain on either side of Burthorpe Plateau is apparent. (If I could add to the lore, I'd call these Mt. Lassar and Mt. Apertar, respectively.) Except for its eastern border with Misthalin and the small gap between Mt. Lassar and the head of the Lum (which I have elsewhere called the Gap of Pudor), these mountains keep Asgarnia safe from all but trolls.
C) Senntisten lies on a narrow strait between the Lum river basin and the region of Al-Kharid north of Shantay Pass (which I have been calling Hetland). This strategic location between the mouths of the Lum and the Salve and between Misthalin and the Kharidian is unmatched in Gielinor. I want to draw on this observation below in my exploration of Gielinor timeline, especially during the Godwars.
That's it for Part 1 - just some observations and hopes that the mousepad map might afford some new insights. Because the new map might help us to rethink the layout of Gielnior, I have included as an appendix the features most visible, could we inhabit each of the map's regions at the end of the 5th age - these would generally be mountains, rivers, towers, and fortifications.
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(1) Many are familiar with my past thoughts on shortening the early ages of Gielinor. I still hold that 12,000 years of history - preceding the 5th age - is simply too long for good storytelling - it's too stretched out for us to make connections among the stories of mortals, and it never lets us get a grip on what happened through all that time. So, different from my previous thread, I want to propose another way to make sense of the early ages.
(2) I will begin with two points. First, we have very few dates from the early ages. In fact, I only know of two for sure: from the coins of Senntisten, dated 3740, and of Saranthium, dated 3804 - "presumeably from the 3rd Age," says the Museum. There are other dates suggested on the Wiki - I will make use of these below, but I haven't been able to track down all their sources.
(3) Second, the division of history into ages, or specifically the restarting of calendrical dates according to each age, is not helpful for understanding history. Rather, it is more helpful to impose a periodization (i.e. a division of ages) back onto an uninterrupted series of dates. Because of this, and because such a move might aid the development of RuneScape's lore, I propose that we read the dates on the coins from the digsite not as indexed to the 3rd age but as absolute, indexed to an important event preceding the Godwars.
(4) Obviously I am toying with the lore. It is easy to defend the ancient division of Gielinor's history into ages based upon the political motives of various factions throughout its history. But it is equally plausible that the periodization of Gielinor's history that we know was developed relatively late and wrongly imposed upon ancient records. Therefore, I would like to explore how the history of the Godwars might appear on a vastly reduced timeline.
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(6) First, to set it aside, I don't know what event might have marked the year 1 CC. This could have been the arrival of Guthix, or the construction of the World Gate, or the arrival of some population through the World Gate, or the commpletion of all the migrations through the World Gate, or the slumber of Guthix. In any case, it does not so much matter what happened in the year 1 - it is likely to have been legendary anyway.
(7) It has been suggested that Zaros controlled all of Forinthry, Misthalin, the North, parts of the desert, Kharyll, enough of Trollweiss and Fremennik lands to reach the World Gate, and perhaps all of Asgarnia. I think it is likely that Saradomin had at times holdings along the southern coast of Misthalin and significant parts of Asgarnia, given his stronghold at Entrana. He might have held some of these places at the time of Zaros's banishment, pace FunOrb.
(8) We know that after the fall of Zaros, Zamorak left Gielinor for twenty years while he fought with the Avernic on Infernus. During that time, it is likely that Saradomin and the other gods took advantage of Zaros's absence to attack his empire. I imagine that Saradomin would have struck quickly, moving against Kharyll and Senntisten from Hallowvale and against Lassar, Padewwa, and Senntisten from Entrana or any of his holdings in Asgarnia.
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(10) The Wiki dates the Battle of Annakarl (about which I have discovered nothing) to the year 3100. I will assume that this is 3100 CC. Furthermore, despite the talk of centuries and centuries of slow progress and trench warfare in The Song from before the War, I assume that all of the gods would have moved quickly against the Zarosian Empire and that much of the Empire would have fallen quickly. Therefore, I propose that 3100 CC lies relatively close to the beginning of the Godwars, one or two centuries in. So Zamorak's rebellion occurred around the years 2900 to 3000 CC.
(11) The campaign against Zaros's empire in Forinthry probably saw the destruction of Padewwa, Carrallanger, Dareeyak, and Annakarl, all in the first centuries of the Godwars. This campaign probably ended with the Battle for the Ritual Site and the imprisonment of Nex shortly after 3100 CC. The imprisonment is said to have occurred near the start of the Godwars.
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(13) What was stable in the world must have changed again when the Zarosians could no longer hold the Senntisten Strait. Before the city itself fell to Zamorakians, Saradominists invaded the northern desert, establishing themselves at Uzer. Some Zarosians fled into the desert. Zamorakians soon followed. Saradominsts took Senntisten, and Sliske led the brothers to their barrows. During the final centuries of the Godwars - when The Song from before the War takes place - the Zamorakians conquered much of the Kharidian, destroying Saradominist Uzer and Menaphite Ullek. In one final act of cooperation, Saradominists and Zamorakians came together to imprison Azzanadra in Jaldraocht. Then, spread thin by the desert campaign, Saradominist and Zamorakian forces moved north to Forinthry for the final battles of the Godwars.
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(15) Next, let's briefly explore the 2nd and 4th ages. Concerning the 2nd, I propose the following: Saradomin and Zaros arrived in Gielinor at very nearly the same time, probably within decades of one another. My evidence: The Wiki page on Ullek (I have not yet found the source) speaks of a time when the Mahjarrat successfully defended Ullek from Zarosian forces who attacked from the Hallowland "before the Icyene had arrived." Hallowvale is an eminently defensible location - Zaros moved quickly to establish his empire and attacked Ullek even before he had entrenched his troops in the region of Hallowvale. Saradomin is also likely to have moved quickly to establish himself in Gielinor. (It took him a few minutes to arrive after the death of Guthix.) I doubt he would have hesitated before taking so valuable a position as Hallowvale. Therefore, it is likely that Saradomin captured Hallowvale from Zaros with his Icyene very soon after both Zaros and himself had arrived in Gielinor. Obviously other accounts are possible, but without further evidence I find this theory persuasive.
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(17) Regarding the 4th age, I am very skeptical of the existing length. The Wilderness is littered with ruins from the Godwars. Lumbridge is said to have been founded in 1937 of the 4th age upon ruins from the Godwars. Lumbridge is an all-important strategic location - how could it have gone 19 centuries unsettled by any race? The civil war in the Feldip Hills is attributed to the loss of Bandos' guidance, and its effects last throughout the time of the elven kingdom in Kandarin - up to two thousand years of slaughter in the Feldip Hills! Finally, the Godwars seem far too close in the cultural memory of Gielinor's people, while the intervening millennia seem to carry little weight.
(18) For these reasons, I struggle to imagine the 4th age lasting more than 500 years. I would find the claim that the 4th age lasted for a millennium or two more believable if there was a reason provided for the long cultural stasis Gielinor's humanity seems to have endured. Lack of runestones just isn't convincing - humans managed to fend off dragonkin, Mahjarrat, demons, and sea slugs without plentiful runestones. The presence of Bandosians could support the current account, but this aspect of the lore has hardly been developed.
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