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Darc Oejder said:
An interesting read. I do disagree on some of your points.
If Saradomin wanted to make amends for destroying Askroth then why did he leave the naragi to be killed by Tuska and Skargaroth? If he couldn't defeat them he could have opened a portal for the naragi to escape to another world like Armadyl offered to the feline race.

Saradomin barely knew Sir Owen. To claim he wanted to save him as if they were best friends is not true since Saradomin distances himself from his subjects. He cares for them as servants and subjects not as friends or comrades. He doesn't even see himself as a human.

The incident with Garlandia is barbaric and cruel. She spoke up against his point of view and he made an example of her for his supposed greater good but the lesson here is Saraomin will not tolerate anyone speaking up against his decisions.

You say he isn't arrogant yet if you talk with him about the other gods and important people he will have low regard of all of them. He sees himself better than all of them that is the definition of arrogance.
What if he was too busy focused fighting Tuska and too weakened/wounded to open a portal? You forget he was in a situation where he thought he would win the fight and at the same would would have probably died if he hadn't fled upon being defeated.

And Sir Owen wanted to be saved by Saradomin so he could continue serving him. His not arrogant intentionally, he has seen the rise and fall of countless societies to chaos so came up with his own strictly to be followed steps to stop each process in each case.

If you sided with him he clearly states he respects the ideas of the other gods' ways but thinks unfortunately they will ultimately fall to chaos/will not last. Even Armadyl says he acts arrogant out of genuine care.

Saradomin was in an intense situation in which not fighting back would mean the entire colony gets destroyed by them, you've never been in that situation.

27-Jan-2017 05:06:58 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2017 15:32:21 by Padomenes

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Hazeel said:
Saradomin could absolutely make portals.

1) He needed a way to get to Naragun.

2) He needed a way to bring his soldiers to Naragun.

3) He needed a way for both him and his soldiers to leave when he had lost the war.
Except you don't know if he flew/traveled there then opened a portal for others to come through which he closed.

You don't know how much energy it took for Zaros to open that 1 portal just so he could bring 12 legions with him onto Gielinor. It took killing another god slowly to do that.

Lore hints opening just one portal to another world far away takes heaps of energy/power, and if you are saying Saradomin should come back to Naragun in that wounded state, use all his remaining energy to open a portal only to be killed by Tuska its quite obvious you are just calling for him to be killed off.

28-Jan-2017 16:22:12 - Last edited on 28-Jan-2017 16:22:45 by Padomenes

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Rifleavenger said:
All this ought to be self-evident. Saradomin's character is textbook "well intentioned authoritarian ruler." He sacrifices many of his own principles in the belief that doing so is the only way to ensure the survival of a society founded upon them. The ends justify the means, we must war against evil or be consumed by it. Anyone who still sees him as flawless paragon of cosmic good or tries to portray him as a totally self centered demiurge is willfully misreading his characterization.

All of the non-elder gods in Runescape are just very powerful people. The question isn't "who is objectively right," but "who do you agree with?" Given a certain outlook on the world I know some real people have, Saradomin's viewpoint is not unacceptable. Could he have made some better choices (ex. letting Garlandia hang herself by trying to negotiate with the other race and getting killed, if Saradomin was so sure it was going to happen)? Sure, but if he were perfect he'd be a Gary Stu instead of an appropriately flawed character and human being.
Yeah what I'm saying is it would have been better if Saradomin was seen in a mixed manner similar to the characters that derive from the same trope being used for him; the 'God-Emperor of Mankind' from Warhammer 40k and Elder Maxson from Fallout 4 which is what I wish for rather than "complete satan".

The God-Emperor from 40k makes questionable decisions, some of which are absolutely worse than that of Saradomin's to ensure Order survives against Chaos, in order to protect everybody from it(Yet people still hate on and think what Saradomin's doing is too harsh). People stick to him in the Warhammer 40k universe knowing at the same time if he dies all hell will break loose and it will mean the end of mankind.

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Kinky Sliske said:
if only because he and my Purple Lord are similar. Too simila
And? It is the same way with Seren to Armadyl and Zamorak to Bandos. So why does it matter that much?

Quite a significant amount of Zarosian humans also switched to Saradomin because they disagreed with Zamorakian views and believed in order, that was where we got our knowledge of how to hurt/kill vampyres(Sithril and Holy Water) from. Infact as Mod Jack says many humans living in the present day former areas of the empire are descended from the many human survivors of it, some converted but eventually all to most did so(Perhaps bringing some of their own teachings into the Church of Saradomin/Blue Wizards' institutions etc): https://twitter.com/JagexJack/status/822095473859264513

04-Mar-2017 04:00:38 - Last edited on 04-Mar-2017 04:01:04 by Padomenes

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Wolffi said:
I will not try to make a point of the Naragi. It's likely that destruction would've been of the same scale or more if Saradomin had not been there in the first place. But I will touch the subject of Garlandia. You make a case represented in the game as well, that Saradomin indeed was rallying the icyene for war and that her wings were a mere casualty for the greater cause that he needed the icyene for. I'd like to acknowledge that at the point of this happening, which was indeed at New Domina, Saradomin was not in a hurry to rally the icyene. The measures he took were drastic and perhaps in his mind he rationalized it, but he could've as easily continued to speak to the icyene to let them understand the situation. Furthermore, Saradomin, a leader for the icyene, did nothing in his power to help Garlandia after he tore her wings. He straight out abandoned her to the mercy of powers to be. Saradomin, like with Sir Owen, has created another potentially dangerous enemy to his cause. Not only is Garlandia powerful and combat trained in her own right, she is privy to the ways of the icyene and she was a noble among her people, surely worth some respect from her peers regardless of Saradomin's decision. She is now an enemy to the gods, capable of leading efficient and effective assaults against any force including even such fearsome creatures as the icyene.
The measures were based on a different culture, what was done to Garlandia was done because Icyenic culture and honours deemed it fitting in update. Why can't you look at and acknowledge, respect the difference in cultures instead of hating or being racist, bigoted to another because you think your own is superior according to whatever fascistic viewpoints you hold? It was not Saradomin's idea but he was trying to follow Icyene cultural customs because they saw it as appropriate in their own ways to punish her like this. They have their own customs, you have yours.

02-Oct-2017 09:50:56 - Last edited on 02-Oct-2017 09:58:51 by Padomenes

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William Witt said:
Raleirosen said:
Aeldari said:
I can not say I agree with your opinion, but it did catch me off guard and gave me a good laugh.
Aha~, it isn't really my opinion; I actually think Saradomin is pretty cool. Just felt like bumping this thread with a facetious comment.


I think Saradomin is a pretty cool guy. Eh rips wigns and doesnt afraid of anything.
The icyene cultural customs called for the 'rip wings from Garlandia' stuff because it was in their traditions. Humans have their own culture, and the Icyenes have theirs. Different cultures exist and diversity must be appreciated. Saradomin had to appreciate diversity of culture by acknowledging the Icyene customs and letting it be carried out their way. It was not his idea but the Icyenes'. All cultures are equal in that they all have cooperation and their own methods to do things which work best for themselves.

02-Oct-2017 10:00:10 - Last edited on 02-Oct-2017 10:03:00 by Padomenes

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