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Adam Teal

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I don't see why Vanescula couldn't have just taken a small amount of his blood and let him live, but no, she had to seemingly kill him and take all of his blood.

I think the fact that her fangs only connected for a few seconds + how she teleported away with Safalaan's corpse is a little suspicious in my eyes. Maybe she didn't want the Myreque to know he is alive, or maybe this is what Vanescula and Safalaan had planned all along?

Vanescula Drakan: Now that we're alone...
Safalan: You want me to hand it over now?
Vanescula Drakan: We had a deal, and I presume my information proved useful?
Safalaan: My parents' tomb was exactly where you said it would be. They weren't in it, though. Just this pendant.
Vanescula Drakan: A good job too. Without its protection, we'd have all died on the roof.
Safalaan: True enough, and without your help we'd have died sooner still. You're certain you can make this work?
Vanescula Drakan: Once Drakan is gone, I am.

[...]

Vanescula: Now, if you're quite finished disturbing my private quarters, you should rejoin the others.
Safalaan: We'll be back down in a moment. I just need to discuss something with Vanescula... in private.

Then again, they could have just been discussing how Vanescula would use Haemalchemy to restore the Vampyre nation to what it once was.

03-Oct-2015 07:33:00 - Last edited on 04-Oct-2015 00:43:54 by Adam Teal

Kyoson

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In the novel "Return to Canifis", it was revealed that Vanescula enjoys using creatures and people as pawns in her games with other vampyres. One example from the novel is that she tricks Jerrod into killing the Wyrd.

I feel like Safalaan and the Myreque were Vanescula's one and only way for her to indirectly confront Lowerniel Drakan and seize power. It was simple really. Defend the player and "aid" the Myreque by killing Rainis. Get the player to kill Vanstrom Klause.

Count Draynor is already dead. All that's left that could really challenge Lord Drakan himself is Vanescula.

Safaalan got information on his parents, he gives her the pendant.

Who knows what they were discussing, but they could have planned the whole thing as you said.

I think it was Veliaf that noted that he didn't like how close Safalaan and Vanescula were getting. Nevertheless, it's one of those 50/50 scenarios.

Icyenic blood is key to her plans, and if she plans to get ALL of the vampyres across the River Salve, it looks like she might need more Icyenic blood, right? In that sense, keeping him alive is a viable option by making him look dead, so the threat of the Myreque is no longer present in case she decides to become more aggressive, which is the case.

As far as I want to think, I believe that the deal cut was that they would get rid of Drakan and help Vanescula ascend to power. Vanescula realized what she had in front of her and betrayed Safalaan accordingly and took him and his Icyenic blood to cross the River Salve.


This is just me rattling off ideas, but I believe that he might not be dead, and it was just intended to break the remainder of the Myreque so that there was no threat within the premises of Castle Drakan, and with Mithaslin on the back foot, Vanescula has a distinct advantage with no opposition on the Canifis side of the Salve.

I'm just mumbling and rattling off ideas by the way.

It is sus, but we'll find out in the next quest!
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03-Oct-2015 13:50:58

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03-Oct-2015 18:16:22

Lego Miester

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They actually said when people asked for a confirmation they'd rather leave it up to wild speculation.

I suppose we'll have to wait and see. Personally I don't see how she plans to spread that vampyric immunity without him as a source of more of it. He's probably being bloodletted out in that awful dungeon Vanescula got stuck in.

I'd love to start a thread on what Vanescula whispered in his ear before biting him.

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03-Oct-2015 19:06:56 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2015 19:12:00 by Lego Miester

Doctor Salt
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*Shakes Magic 8 Ball*

Uhh, doubtful. Why would they kill him just after making him interesting?

*Shakes again*

It's not looking good for Velia*...
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03-Oct-2015 21:23:08

Adam Teal

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Kyoson said:
Icyenic blood is key to her plans, and if she plans to get ALL of the vampyres across the River Salve, it looks like she might need more Icyenic blood, right? In that sense, keeping him alive is a viable option by making him look dead, so the threat of the Myreque is no longer present in case she decides to become more aggressive, which is the case.


I like this explanation. If this turns out to be the case, there's no way I'm going to let any Vyres past the salve. By the looks of things, I wouldn't be surprised if the Myre-Misthalin War of the 6th age became a World Event.

04-Oct-2015 00:43:16

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Yeah...that's my theory too. In every "meaningful" death we've had up to now there was a corpse left behind to fully hammer it in...but in this case Safalaan's "corpse" was taken. No doubt he'll return as her servant or something.
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04-Oct-2015 03:46:48

Ceraeus

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You know... There's something strange about what Vanescula said....

Since The Branches of Darkmeyer there has been no doubt in my mind that Vanescula was using the Myreque as pawns to gain power, take Drakans place, and eventually betray the and wipe them out. After all, she did betray her own family...

But there are a couple odd things to note about what she's done so far..

1. She didn't share Lowerneil's belief that humans are nothing more than prey to be hunted and sadisticly slaughtered... She explains after tithing Safalaan that she wants life to return to the way it was in the Zarosian Empire, where with a larger population of human blood there would be fewer tithings relative to the population and less blood needed to be taken from each tithe. Because of this, both humans and vampyres could live freely across the kingdoms.

2. Instead of Seizing power and wiping out the myreque she left what remnants of the myreque were left to go freely with their lives, the player included. One could argue that the myreque was mostly gone at that point, but STILL she could have wiped the rest of them out.

3. ***MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL***. Right before she tithed Safalaan, she said something very peculiar:

"... I typically find it easier to ask for Forgiveness than Permission, but let me whisper it to you..."

Permission for what? - Taking his icyene blood to cross the Salve.

Forgiveness for what? - Taking his blood without Permission.


^ This hints that Vanescula DID NOT kill Safalaan, and will ask him for forgiveness for her actions later on.


So to answer your question, No I highly doubt Safalaan is dead. And if Jagex says he is they're probably just pulling a Jon Snow on the community.



Also... Vanescula is looking to solve everyone's problems, while the myreque have only ever wanted to exterminate the Vampyres and reclaim Morytania for the humans.

So... did Vanescula REALLY betray the Myreque?


I'll let you decide.

07-Dec-2015 12:37:48 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2015 12:42:09 by Ceraeus

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Also, a couple of suspicions and hopes I have for River of Blood....


I personally believe that the nameless prisoner in the Oubliette is... Queen Efaritay.
Why?
It was never once confirmed by Drakan nor Vanescua nor Vanstrom Klause or any other long-lived Vampyre... or anywhere else in the game for that matter.... that she was killed; only captured by Lord Drakan. Plus, the Oubliette exploded open with blue magic! Safalaan had blue magic! Icyenes have blue magic! :D


Another thing... I truly hope that they continue Pol*afi Ferdygris and Flaygian Skrewtes storylines and intertwine them... also allowing us to go back to Vampyrium. Hopefully they make vampyrium actually look badass this time instead of like an ugly orange skybox out of world of warcraft


I hope this time we get to go into Castle Drakan as an added area to the game instead of an instanced quest area we can't go back to after the quest.... This is what Jagex promised and I hope they deliver.

I also hope that we get to play as Vanescula or other vampyres again like we did in
The Branchs of Darkmeyer

I hope we finally get to confront, expose, and kill the Morytania splinter group.



And Finally, I hope that we aren't forced to kill Vanescula Drakan in Rivers of Blood, and that hopefully the vampyres are simply repelled and we find a way for the salve to keep them out, so that Vanescula could be involved in future Vampyre quests that take place in the 6th age.

I mean... there is a Vampyrium symbol on the World Gate, right? Maybe there could be a quest in the future involving the pilgrimage of the vampire nation back to vampyrium (not the way Lowerneil was going about it, turning them all back into venators...)

Thanks for reading.

07-Dec-2015 13:08:23

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Adam Teal said:
Kyoson said:
Icyenic blood is key to her plans, and if she plans to get ALL of the vampyres across the River Salve, it looks like she might need more Icyenic blood, right? In that sense, keeping him alive is a viable option by making him look dead, so the threat of the Myreque is no longer present in case she decides to become more aggressive, which is the case.


I like this explanation. If this turns out to be the case, there's no way I'm going to let any Vyres past the salve. By the looks of things, I wouldn't be surprised if the Myre-Misthalin War of the 6th age became a World Event.

Good news! They won't succeed in conquering misthalin! Too big changes. The bad news? We can't liberate morytania. Too big change.
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07-Dec-2015 17:45:33

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