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Padomenes
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In the quest lord of vamp**ium Drakan mentions that somebody among the Myreque killed Ascertes and not him. He says somebody "among your allies" or something like that, can't remember in the dialogue. Vanstrom being a human-born vampyre's body turned into ash or exploded when he died unlike Ranis or Drakan's bodies who remained intact because they were pure-born vampyres. Remember, we were not the only one who killed Vanstrom. Veliaf and Vanescula also were involved in his killing and they fight him for you sometimes during the Vanstrom boss fight. Could this mean Vanstrom was Ascertes? Hence "Your Allies"(Vanescula and Veliaf helped you kill Vanstrom), apparently Vansecula also saved you from being killed(In the story).

Vanstrom is infact also confirmed to be formerly human and even centuries old(Which could mean being alive during the same time as Ascertes). Unofficial runescape wiki quote with sources(You can find it on the Vanstrom Klause page): "Vanstrom's origins are unknown, although he is rumoured to be centuries old. It is known however that he is a vamp*rised human. Regardless, he rose high in vamp**ic society, having frequent contact with Vanescula and Ranis Drakan, and became a well-known figure in the Sanguinesti Region."

95% chance Vanstrom was Ascertes.
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15-Sep-2015 14:35:38 - Last edited on 15-Sep-2015 14:45:51 by Padomenes

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Except Drakan doesn't know WHO killed Vanstrom exactly. He doesn't know that it was the player, for all he knows Safaferret could have done it. 7:46 speedrun for "Lurkers in the Woods"
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15-Sep-2015 15:26:36

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Drakan says "one of your allies" not "one of the myreque".

As Vanescula was an ally, it could be anyone she's ever killed including during the war to conquer hallowvale years ago.
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15-Sep-2015 15:55:27

Padomenes
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Lord Pyro I said:
Drakan says "one of your allies" not "one of the myreque".

As Vanescula was an ally, it could be anyone she's ever killed including during the war to conquer hallowvale years ago.
"Allies" can mean friends or accomplices in formal language. Essentially "Your Pals". Is he talking to the player or to safalaan? Can't really tell. Ascertes was captured, not killed.
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15-Sep-2015 16:19:05 - Last edited on 15-Sep-2015 16:20:25 by Padomenes

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Iron Vampire said:
Except Drakan doesn't know WHO killed Vanstrom exactly. He doesn't know that it was the player, for all he knows Safaferret could have done it.
He could be talking to us or safalaan. In formal language "allies" also refer to your friends/pals or accomplices. All Drakan knows is that the myreque killed vanstrom and ranis, thats what he was told. So he probably meant somebody among the myreque or anybody involved with them. We do know BOTH vanescula and the veliaf were involved in vanstrom's death, not just us. So it makes him a more likely candidate for Ascertes. Vanstrom is also said to be extremely old and originally human.
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15-Sep-2015 16:22:04 - Last edited on 15-Sep-2015 16:23:04 by Padomenes

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I was taking it to mean Vanescula killed him. Wake me up when Osborne resigns | Will not be renewing membership until Jagex deals with its toxic developer culture & has a new, better lead designer | *Soon TM” is not a fun joke, it is an admission the company is an embarrassment

15-Sep-2015 18:37:11

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Ascertes was captured to gain leverage over Queen Effaritay. After capitalizing on this advantage, it is entirely possible that he was killed in some way (be it accidental or intentional). Considering how important a prisoner he was, I'd guess it was probably Vanescula toying with her personal tithe a bit too much.

15-Sep-2015 18:45:52

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a way of hinting that Vanstrom is Ascertes. It seems most interesting that way anyway, and it's likely to be the most we'll get, cause those things tend to be left ambiguous.

Also, I doubt we can really use Drakan's talk with us at the party as any way of knowing how much he knows, since he was playing us along the whole time until he asked if we took him as a fool.
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15-Sep-2015 19:17:52

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I guess it's possible Vanstrom is Ascertes, but wasn't there a lore book of some sort, one of the official novels, where we go into Vanstrom's human history, the sun spear comes up, and most importantly he's still named Vanstrom?

I think it was Vanescula, and they were hinting a little earlier than when explicitly stated that she was not to be trusted.
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16-Sep-2015 00:27:04

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Lego Miester said:
I guess it's possible Vanstrom is Ascertes, but wasn't there a lore book of some sort, one of the official novels, where we go into Vanstrom's human history, the sun spear comes up, and most importantly he's still named Vanstrom?

I think it was Vanescula, and they were hinting a little earlier than when explicitly stated that she was not to be trusted.


Nah, Vanstrom was still a vampyre even then, just posing as a human, like he did at the beginning of In Search of the Myreque, for at that time not even the Myreque knew he was a vampyre. Until Legacy of Blood came out, it did appear that could have been showing Vanstrom's human time, but in LoB it's shown that Vanstrom was already manipulating the Myreque even in Return to Canifis.
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16-Sep-2015 06:41:47

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