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Devil Vein
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So after yesterdays reveal at the end of pieces of hate, I decided to look back to the journals released last week. Specifically the mwanu. The initial assumption was that the mwanu are the cave/jungle/unspeakable horrors. However there are 3 journals written by mwanu and two by observers of the horrors of Mos Le Harmless. The observers never refer to the horrors as mwanu but both mention them worshipping 4 deities. The journals by the mwanu only ever mention one deity, Tezcasthla. Who we know they mistake Xau-tak as. The mwanu also refer to the other beings of their home world as lesser and those lessers are apes and monkeys. The horrors are ape like creatures.

In one journal the first of the mwanu are created by tezcasthla to have domain over the apes and monkeys of Jermyn.

In the second journal the description of a hunting game is depicted where the mwanu eat the apes of the jungle but the apes begin poisoning themselves to kill mwanu.

In the third journal a beast of tusk and fury attack the mwanu with the jungle apes and monkeys assisting it to drive them back. Eventually great stone hands take the mwanu to a new world.

The last two journals are by observers of the horrors which introduce us to 3 other deities and inform us Tezcasathla is not whom he seems.

My theory is that the beast of tusk amd fury was one of the deities Nyarlahydra whose skull is the same one worn by the skeletal horror. It and the jungle apes drove the mwanu back and into desperation. The mwanu never mention this deity or the other 2, just Tezcasathla. Eventually hands come from a portal in the lake and bring the mwanu to the Gielinor. We know of two species that weve discovered in the mos le harmless region. One is the horrors. I believe the horrors are actually the jungle apes that attacked the mwanu after years of oppression.

The mwanu...their story is told in both a journal and a mural. The Mwanu are actually the dragonkin.
I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 17:18:42

Devil Vein
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More evidence is given that the mwanu were ruthless warriors like the Necrosyrtes. However some mwanu, particularly one of the journal authors is passive and intelligent more like the dactyl. The horrors of mos le harmless do not show anywhere near the same degree of intelligence depicted by the mwanu in the journals.

The festering journal depicts the bloodfeasters as dying after taking place in the "Corpsegames." Fun fact: Necrosyrtes is greek for Corpse dragger. Could be just a coincidence.

The dragonkin are also first seen on mos le harmless and rabid jacks base of operations is a sunken dragonkin temple containing the a portal with large stone arms.

For the theory to make sense, the battle of Jermyn happened during the last universal cycle. The dragonkin are pulled into the abyss and brought to the current cycle thus avoiding the revision. The jungle apes followed them. Jas learning of their survival bound the intelligent mwanu to the stone.

Why would Xau want the dragonkin here? Easy, they are quite formidable. So much so that they could destroy the stone of Jas and possibly the pesky world guardian too who Xau carries an eternal grudge against.

The horrors call Xau Tezcasathla because thats what the more intelligent dragonkin thought he was. They know its true nature because of its 3 priests who exist in their religion.
I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 17:18:50 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 17:44:59 by Devil Vein

Devil Vein
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Discuss I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 17:18:58 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 17:26:45 by Devil Vein

Ahtelhrax
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Hmm... they look pretty far from Dragonkin, let alone a lack of wings, I can see this maybe being correct but tbh i kinda doubt it. If Xau-Tak did anything to the dragonkin at Ulthven Kreath, then it's make them undead. And didn't the journals establish that the Mwanu are apes/ape-like? Not lizardish in any way? And that they originated on Jermyn alongside other apes?

20-Mar-2018 18:03:50

Devil Vein
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Ahtelhrax said:
Hmm... they look pretty far from Dragonkin, let alone a lack of wings, I can see this maybe being correct but tbh i kinda doubt it. If Xau-Tak did anything to the dragonkin at Ulthven Kreath, then it's make them undead. And didn't the journals establish that the Mwanu are apes/ape-like? Not lizardish in any way? And that they originated on Jermyn alongside other apes?


It establishes that they originated on Jermyn. The mwanu never describe themselves in the journals written by the Mwanu just that they considered themselves superior over apes and monkeys. The other 2 journals are written by two humans describing the lives and their observations of the jungle apes of Mos Le'Harmless. (Note they never refer to them as mwanu.) In one Mwanu journal, the author says his kind developed large buildings and cities. We havent observed the horrors doing this, but the dragonkin sure have.
I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 18:22:26 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 18:23:03 by Devil Vein

Ahtelhrax
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Look at the horrors. They look absolutely nothing like dragonkin, even the Nihil have some resemblance to their roots, for example the shadow nihils have demonic traits. The dragonkin (i would use photos if i could) have snouts, wings, and reptillian scales and spines. They also wear clothes.

The Mwanu, however, are humanoid. or ape-like is the better term. They appear to have no eyes, flat faces and massive hands. they barely wear anything, and have bald heads with spots on their heads. They are nothing alike. A completely different race.

20-Mar-2018 18:42:47

Devil Vein
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Ahtelhrax said:
Look at the horrors. They look absolutely nothing like dragonkin, even the Nihil have some resemblance to their roots, for example the shadow nihils have demonic traits. The dragonkin (i would use photos if i could) have snouts, wings, and reptillian scales and spines. They also wear clothes.

The Mwanu, however, are humanoid. or ape-like is the better term. They appear to have no eyes, flat faces and massive hands. they barely wear anything, and have bald heads with spots on their heads. They are nothing alike. A completely different race.


Where is there any description of the mwanu? There isn't. Look at the journals again. The two that describe the ape creatures are describing the horrors on mos le'harmless and never refer to them as the mwanu. Re-read my theory.

You are making the assumption that all 5 journals are talking about the mwanu. But only 3 are and they are never depicted as apes in those 3. The other 2 are from observers of the harmony isle horrors which never refer to the horrors as mwanu. People just grouped all 5 together instead of looking at them individually and assumed the horrors of the Harmony isles were the same creatures (mwanu) who wrote the other 3 journals. Recall in your own post, Mod Raven says that a lot of assumptions are being made about the journals and that is a mistake.
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Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 18:44:36 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 18:47:26 by Devil Vein

Ahtelhrax
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You say that the dragonkin are the mwanu, because they "were ruthless warriors like the Necrosyrtes. However some mwanu, particularly one of the journal authors is passive and intelligent more like the dactyl. The horrors of mos le harmless do not show anywhere near the same degree of intelligence depicted by the mwanu in the journals. "

You can have different types of people in a race. Some humans are bandits and highwaymen, while some are chemists, literally. You can get goblins like Oldak, and goblins like General Bentnoze.

Another reason you use is,

"The dragonkin are also first seen on mos le harmless and rabid jacks base of operations is a sunken dragonkin temple containing the a portal with large stone arms."

I'm fairly sure this is either just coincidence, or the dragonkin homeworld might have been tropical. I dunno. But either way,

Correlation ≠ Confirmation!

20-Mar-2018 19:02:11

Devil Vein
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Its all theory. There is some evidence to support it but none to confirm it. The Mwanu being the horrors is also theory.

But the observed horrors are:

A.) Not very intelligent
B.) Do not build massive structures like those described by the mwanu in the journal
C.) Worship 4 deities, the Mwanu only ever mention worshiping one.
D.) Ape like in appearance. While the Mwanu seem to hate the ape creatures/monkeys of the jungle.

The Dragonkin however are:

A.) Very intelligent. They can speak their own language and the common tongue
B.) Have been observed to build huge impressive structures.
C.) Do not seem to worship a deity but have had a run in with some stone hands at one point.
D.) Show a superiority like nature to everything they encounter.

The theory goes that the Mwanu are actually the Dragonkin and the Horrors are their prey/enemies which were the apes/monkeys of the Jungles of Jermyn.
I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 19:08:27 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 19:09:34 by Devil Vein

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