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Ahtelhrax
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[quote id=341-342-725-65999096-19-342633806][quote id=341-342-725-65999096-17-342633753] Tez's blood could very well be dragon fire since Tez is described as having a firey gaze.[/quote] Actually not sure where you get the ability for a race to breathe fire from a god having a fiery gaze. That in no way means that Xau-Tak can give fire breath, it just means his eyes are like suns....

20-Mar-2018 20:06:35

Hguoh
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Devil Vein said:
Zaros mentions that the dragonkin likely sought out Jas hoping for penance and were bound to the stone instead.


Which they don't have a reason to do if Xau took them directly from Jermyn to Gielinor with no interaction with the elder gods (and we see no elder gods in the Mwanu stories).

Devil Vein said:
After coming out of the Abyss. The Mwanu were given the first tools to hold domain over the "Apes, monkeys, and gorillas of the jungle." Tez's blood could very well be dragon fire since Tez is described as having a firey gaze.


Now you are mixing up your own stories. According to the Mwanu, they were created by Tez on Jermyn and given their gifts there (they were only later taken through the Abyss to Gielinor). According to your theory, the murals are depicting the Dragonkin coming to Gielinor from Jermyn through the Abyss (long after they supposedly got their gifts).

Also, as Mod Raven addressed, Tezcasathla itself is a creation myth (not an actual god). Meaning that the Mwanu mistook Xau-Tak's aid (black stone hands in the star pool) for Tez.
Given the observation of Gielinor's sun in the Rotten Journal, it comes to reason then that Jermyn had 2 suns that were Tezcasathla's 'eyes' and are not a property that Xau-Tak possesses (hence why the Horror's Tezcasathla is just a mass of grasping black hands (Xau-Tak) while the Mwanu's is described as having eyes (creation myth figure)).

20-Mar-2018 20:25:15 - Last edited on 20-Mar-2018 20:42:23 by Hguoh

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Is the Dragonkin's survival from the previous cycle, ingame stated that they hid in the Abyss. In 2016 RuneFest, Osbourne states that when the Elder Gods went there separate ways to create worlds, she arrived on the Dragonkin homeworld, about to destroy it when they came and try to take the stone away. That's when she bound them.

It seems they simply travel to each world and destroy it, so they didn't need to hide in the Abyss because bound them to the stone and didn't destroy them after so why would they then need to go to the Abyss to 'survive'.

20-Mar-2018 20:36:44

Wahisietel
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Yeah, no. The ape-like horrors sharing the same homeworld as the apes and monkeys is the whole point of that book being a thing in the first place.

The previous cycle did not have monkeys and apes, the Dragonkin are the only thing known to survive from it. If Xau-Tak was around and known to the Dragonkin when Jas bound them to the stone, she likely would have done something about it.

The Mwanu devolving into what we now know of horrors is kind of the whole point of the books - there's a noticeable degradation in the depiction of the horrors between the fourth and fifth books, which are explicitly said to be horrors.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

20-Mar-2018 21:24:33

Ahtelhrax
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Wahisietel said:
Yeah, no. The ape-like horrors sharing the same homeworld as the apes and monkeys is the whole point of that book being a thing in the first place.

The previous cycle did not have monkeys and apes, the Dragonkin are the only thing known to survive from it. If Xau-Tak was around and known to the Dragonkin when Jas bound them to the stone, she likely would have done something about it.

The Mwanu devolving into what we now know of horrors is kind of the whole point of the books - there's a noticeable degradation in the depiction of the horrors between the fourth and fifth books, which are explicitly said to be horrors.


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20-Mar-2018 21:26:30

Devil Vein
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Wahisietel said:
Yeah, no. The ape-like horrors sharing the same homeworld as the apes and monkeys is the whole point of that book being a thing in the first place.

The previous cycle did not have monkeys and apes, the Dragonkin are the only thing known to survive from it. If Xau-Tak was around and known to the Dragonkin when Jas bound them to the stone, she likely would have done something about it.

The Mwanu devolving into what we now know of horrors is kind of the whole point of the books - there's a noticeable degradation in the depiction of the horrors between the fourth and fifth books, which are explicitly said to be horrors.


Please show me the exact spot where the horrors are called mwanu or vice versa. There is never a description of the mwanus physical appearance.

To hguohs argument about spears and blood. The dragonkin display this. They use their blood to create the dragons and have created dragon metal weapons, which they seem to not use themselves as there is no longer a need. The dragonkin and horrors have a connection to xau and it could be theyre both from Jermyn. You wanna piece together a puzzle about xau-tak, think bigger than thing a must be thing b since thing b is known to us and thing a is a word we havent known previously.
I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 21:51:28

Devil Vein
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[quote id=341-342-725-65999096-20-342633836][quote id=341-342-725-65999096-19-342633806][quote id=341-342-725-65999096-17-342633753] Tez's blood could very well be dragon fire since Tez is described as having a firey gaze.[/quote] Actually not sure where you get the ability for a race to breathe fire from a god having a fiery gaze. That in no way means that Xau-Tak can give fire breath, it just means his eyes are like suns....[/quote] Its circumstantial stating that the primitive mwanu only knew of tez's physical apprearance was his firey eyes so his blood must be fire. Xau didnt create the dragonkin. He didnt create the horrors or anything on jermyn. Hes not tez at all just confused for him. I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 21:53:56

Devil Vein
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[quote id=341-342-725-65999096-20-342633836][quote id=341-342-725-65999096-19-342633806][quote id=341-342-725-65999096-17-342633753] Tez's blood could very well be dragon fire since Tez is described as having a firey gaze.[/quote] Actually not sure where you get the ability for a race to breathe fire from a god having a fiery gaze. That in no way means that Xau-Tak can give fire breath, it just means his eyes are like suns....[/quote] Its circumstantial stating that the primitive mwanu only knew of tez's physical apprearance was his firey eyes so his blood must be fire. Xau didnt create the dragonkin. He didnt create the horrors or anything on jermyn. Hes not tez at all just confused for him. I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Mar-2018 21:53:56

Wahisietel
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We know that Jermyn/Bobonosia is from the current cycle because we know it's Marimbo's home planet, so it is impossible for it t be the Dragonkin homeworld. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

20-Mar-2018 22:06:08

Hguoh
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Devil Vein said:
To hguohs argument about spears and blood. The dragonkin display this. They use their blood to create the dragons and have created dragon metal weapons, which they seem to not use themselves as there is no longer a need. The dragonkin and horrors have a connection to xau and it could be theyre both from Jermyn. You wanna piece together a puzzle about xau-tak, think bigger than thing a must be thing b since thing b is known to us and thing a is a word we havent known previously.


But again, it makes no mention of their greatest assets (flight and firebreath). And the only connection you have to even one of those, is a description of a myth (Yezcasathla) that the Mwanu mistook Xau-Tak for that has traits Xau-Tak does not share (no fire or even eyes on the sculpture representing Xau).

It is pretty darn clear from the noting of Gielinor's singular sun that Tezcasathla was a creation myth of the Mwanu, and that his gaze was Jermyn's 2 or more suns. They saw Xau's intervention on their world (the black hands and starry lake) and misattributed them for acts of Tezcasathla. And this misattribution was perpetuated during their time on Gielinor with Xau's imagery eventually entirely replacing the original Tezcasathla imagery.

20-Mar-2018 23:04:56

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