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NachtWeaver

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Because of the edicts, the followers had an obvious disconnect & therefore perversion of their gods' philosophies.

The Kinshra seem to have replaced 'Strength Through Chaos' with 'Strength Through Evil',

The White Knights & subsequent Saradominist monasteries have a generic monotheistic view of Saradomin.

Bandosians tend to only serve through fear.

Most of Serens' followers desired to be close to her, despite not knowing her nature.

Armadyleans were pretty much all dead, RIP.

Zarosians, because most of them are immortal, probably have the best idea of his philosophy.

I would love to see a piece of content dealing with the returned 6th age gods correcting misconceptions their followers have. Because I'm sure most of them returned and facepalmed.
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01-Oct-2017 08:29:12

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Closest we might get to that in the near future is the Evil Dave quest...if Zamorak's appearance in the concept art for the quest is any indication, I doubt he's thrilled with how Evil Dave views him and his religion.

That said, I don't know how serious the quest might get in trying to turn Evil Dave around...

But I do like the idea of gods giving more fresh statements on their modus operandi and what they feel are things their followers should avoid that they've considered okay up to now.

01-Oct-2017 08:43:25

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The gods hadn't been around for thousands of years by the time of the 5th Age.
So it isn't a surprise that the ideologies they championed would get ... reinterpreted ... over time.

Compare it to In Real Life ideologies. Politics, religion, etc.
What happens to a religious sect or political group as even decades pass?

Someone founds the ideology.
They lead via example.
Have to lay the groundwork for everything.
Add to it all as time possesses:
- interpretations
- added rules
- etc
Then, the founding individual and closest followers all pass away or retire. They leave it to the next generation to take over.

Then each generation of leadership and scholars adds to the viewpoints whenever something 'new' comes along that doesn't fit within their original subset of rules and how they need to deal with it.
- new technology
- new cultures or foreign ideals
- natural disasters
- plagues
... and sometimes ... having to make compromises in their core ideology to avoid being wiped out (ie: Mormons abolishing polygamy. groups incorporating other genders or groups into their practices. raising or lowering ages of participation in something. having to pay taxes.)

If you're a Zamorakian, you've been on the fringes of society for centuries. Persecuted. Chased away.
Finding any community that'd let you live on the edge of town might be considered "tolerant".
So it's no wonder that a true Zamorakian might be quick to grabbing a staff or weapon to solve an inconvenience that pops up. Because they are acutely aware at how quickly it could snowball into a larger fight later.

01-Oct-2017 17:33:27

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The Kinshra's change to Strength through evil can actually be placed at the feet of the same Saradominists that stole the Sword of Radalin, setting up and getting the Kinshra exiled over it, starting the civil war. That clique has a lot to answer for. The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
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01-Oct-2017 19:30:14 - Last edited on 01-Oct-2017 19:33:42 by Solanumtinkr

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Solanumtinkr said:
The Kinshra's change to Strength through evil can actually be placed at the feet of the same Saradominists that stole the Sword of Radalin, setting up and getting the Kinshra exiled over it, starting the civil war. That clique has a lot to answer for.
Something about that. I don't think it was the White Knights that stole the Sword as they follow a code of honour. Rather, it seems more likely that the Temple Knights would have done such a thing; they seem to be far more into black ops and trapping opponents (see Solus in the Wanted! quest).
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01-Oct-2017 22:49:10

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Ancient Drew said:
Solanumtinkr said:
The Kinshra's change to Strength through evil can actually be placed at the feet of the same Saradominists that stole the Sword of Radalin, setting up and getting the Kinshra exiled over it, starting the civil war. That clique has a lot to answer for.
Something about that. I don't think it was the White Knights that stole the Sword as they follow a code of honour. Rather, it seems more likely that the Temple Knights would have done such a thing; they seem to be far more into black ops and trapping opponents (see Solus in the Wanted! quest).
I carefully worded my post to not label any one particular part of the Saradominist faction. It is far more likely to be a clique made up of people from multiple sub-factions of the Saradominists.
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02-Oct-2017 17:31:05

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Ancient Drew said:
Solanumtinkr said:
The Kinshra's change to Strength through evil can actually be placed at the feet of the same Saradominists that stole the Sword of Radalin, setting up and getting the Kinshra exiled over it, starting the civil war. That clique has a lot to answer for.
Something about that. I don't think it was the White Knights that stole the Sword as they follow a code of honour. Rather, it seems more likely that the Temple Knights would have done such a thing; they seem to be far more into black ops and trapping opponents (see Solus in the Wanted! quest).


Just because they have a code of Honour/Chivalry doesn't mean they actually follow it all the time. There's bound to be exceptions.
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03-Oct-2017 01:30:34

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AesirWarrior said:
Ancient Drew said:
Solanumtinkr said:
The Kinshra's change to Strength through evil can actually be placed at the feet of the same Saradominists that stole the Sword of Radalin, setting up and getting the Kinshra exiled over it, starting the civil war. That clique has a lot to answer for.
Something about that. I don't think it was the White Knights that stole the Sword as they follow a code of honour. Rather, it seems more likely that the Temple Knights would have done such a thing; they seem to be far more into black ops and trapping opponents (see Solus in the Wanted! quest).


Just because they have a code of Honour/Chivalry doesn't mean they actually follow it all the time. There's bound to be exceptions.


Denying the prince the crown? Hiding and possibly killing the king? Just about...everything related to the Kinshra before they were tossed out and became corrupt? =P
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03-Oct-2017 07:21:30

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Hazeel said:
AesirWarrior said:
Ancient Drew said:
Solanumtinkr said:
The Kinshra's change to Strength through evil can actually be placed at the feet of the same Saradominists that stole the Sword of Radalin, setting up and getting the Kinshra exiled over it, starting the civil war. That clique has a lot to answer for.
Something about that. I don't think it was the White Knights that stole the Sword as they follow a code of honour. Rather, it seems more likely that the Temple Knights would have done such a thing; they seem to be far more into black ops and trapping opponents (see Solus in the Wanted! quest).


Just because they have a code of Honour/Chivalry doesn't mean they actually follow it all the time. There's bound to be exceptions.


Denying the prince the crown? Hiding and possibly killing the king? Just about...everything related to the Kinshra before they were tossed out and became corrupt? =P


^ pretty much. All noble groups irl and seen in-game have some kind of code of honor, but even they commit something that they deem either "Part of the code" or good for the cause.
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03-Oct-2017 13:40:31

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As for NachtWeaver statement, I'd doubt the gods would correct ALL of these new rules. As Zamorak said, his belief isn't evil, but he does welcome it. The gods would most likely see this as a sign of improvement to their belief and consider it. Remember they give their follower enough freedom. Seren on the other hand is a special case, with out spoiling things to the people new to lore; the elves are not to blame for their love towards her. This is something related to Guthix for example; his belief was balance in all things, not to the degree his followers put it in, but to a degree that everything is balanced. He also had the ideal of mortals being free of the gods dangerous influence. Despite Guthix being on Gielinor, he didn't interfere with mortals starting to worship him. And when he ended the gods war, his belief was changed to where it was also believed that the edict was more of a law than a barrier, and breaking said law would force Guthix to destroy Gielinor and remake it.

It wasn't until his death that people learned the truth, but of course not everyone accepted the truth right away, it was something that slowly was accepted. So yeah, it depends on the gods, they have more important matters to deal with than their followers view on them, (aka gielinor be mine)
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03-Oct-2017 13:48:41

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