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This thread is to consolidate the lore we gained from the 5 Lore Books released today.
Strap yourselves in lads. This is about to get weird.

JERMYN:

Jermyn is apparently, according to the Decaying Journal, is the homeworld of the Horrors, or the Mwanu, Apes, Gorillas and Monkeys. "...for raising up the Mwanu, above the lesser species, the apes and monkeys that infest the jungles of Jermyn."

The Horrors claim in the journals that they were created first, before the other inhabitants of Jermyn, by Tezcasathla, but it is heavily implied that this is just another name for... Xau-Tak.

In the Rotten Journal, it is a first-hand account of "A great beast of Tusk and Fury, armed with a great Horn that turns the jungle against us" invading Jermyn. Now, this could be one of two things. Either Tuska invaded Mwanu, and that is where the Airut, who are remarkably Ape-Like, originate. Or, it could be the God that Marimbo defeated in a drinking contest, as that God had the Elder HORN.

Later in the journal, this 'Mwanu' claims to have had his tribe transported to another world by Xau-Tak/Tezcasathla. This is probably Gielinor. We know this because Jermyn is described to have two suns, like eyes, which are believed to be Xau-Tak's, and the realm they teleported to only had one sun, like Gielinor.

THE MWANU DIETIES:

The Mwanu, in the Pestilent Journal, have Four Dieties, Tezcasathla, Uzhastur, Yogsathla and Nyarlahydra.

Tezcasathla is the main diety of the Mwanu (Horrors), and they are greatly hinted to be Xau-Tak themself. Uzhastur is almost a mother-goddess, the Mwanu offer great quantities of fish to this diety daily, apparently. Yogsathla is different, he is feared by the Mwanu, almost like their Devil-figure. It's name is described to be a curse-word. Nylarhydra, is probably the most recognisable. Do you know why? Because, it is described in the Pestilent journal, to be shown as a Skeletal Figure, with a great skull wearing a massive black mask made from black stone.

12-Mar-2018 19:57:51

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(Cont..)

Yes that's right. Nylarhydra is the Skeletal Horror, or at least the Horror is Nylarhydra's avatar.

Now, on to Marimbo. If what the journals say is correct, then Marimbo was born on Jermyn, with the other apes and gorillas and Mwanu people. This means that the "Great beast of Tusk and Fury" could be the god Marimbo defeated, as it has a Horn that could control the jungles. So, Marimbo might have led the Gorillas and Monkeys to Gielinor after Xau-Tak 'saved' his people from that God Marimbo defeated by bringing the Mwanu to Gielinor too.

Now isn't that interesting? I think we will be let on to the secret that is Xau-Tak and his Followers...

(DISCALIMER- I am aware of the Xau-Tak thread, and i am going to make it clear that this post is for the Lore Books released today alone. I just thought it would make more sense to post seperately on this topic of the Mwanu homeworld.)

12-Mar-2018 20:01:41

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Wahisietel said:
A Mad Hatter said:
I thought the skeletal horror was literally a bunch of different bones that we helped put together rather than an original creature in itself, but I guess I wouldn't be surprised to hear that there was something acting as a blueprint or inspiration or whatever for its design at some point. At the very least it wasn't totally random in how that thing worked.

Can't say much more until I read the lore books for myself, so profiling I guess :|


The skull was unique, the Odd Old Man found it on Mos Le'Harmless and it instructed him to rebuild it with different types of bones.

Presumably the bones in the lorebook are not the actual skeletal horror, since it was on Mos Le'Harmless and its skull looks different.



To be completely honest i might have worded that wrong, i think the Entity that 'controls' the Skeletal Horror is Nylarhydra, but it does so through the Skull, as that is the original part of it's Totem, or statue in the lore book.

12-Mar-2018 20:55:31

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Adventurerrr said:
The god defeated by Marimbo, Marimbo recalls a god that loves to party, and they both got drunk, until the other died. SO it wasn't a battle to the death, it was just Marimbo and the god partying, she also said her homeplane was a world with giant apes.


Aaaah now i get it, The 'Party God' travelled to Jermyn, used the Elder Horn to fight off the Mwanu inhabitants, and then held a victory party.... we know what happened then.

13-Mar-2018 07:27:41

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Gamez X said:
Yeah alot of interesting info this time, but also alot of questions

So we now have another jungle world called jermyn, home world of the apes some of which turned into horrors/ mwanu. I had thought maybe the apes where from naragun cus the naragi are very monkey like but i guess not, unless this is another name for naragun (possible?). We also know this world had more than 1 sun and a black lake in a jungle where xau tak slept for a while. It seems at some point tuska came to this world so its possible it could be the home world of the airut too

I'm just trying to figure out which planet jermyn is. It could either be another name for naragun, the body rune planet (though think thats more likely the giants homeworld) or possibly the death rune planet given xau tak is all about death and horrors. Would of expected the homeworlds of the apes to be more friendly looking but ohh well. Or it could be a moon of another world but theres nothing to say that atm

I guess more interestingly is the info on xau tak himself this time around. Weirdly he actually sounds like an elder god now cus he was there at the planets birth and he was making life. Could he be the 6th, is this poetic licencing or was that time a jagex artist posted the old picture of bik as "xau tak" mean something?

He also seems to have made lesser deities, i'm thinking this is similar to the tumeken and the 4 lesser gods of the desert pantheon. And we may possibly have gotten a description of him, though thats difficult to say

I still think he originally came from leng though, probably came to jermyn and then renmark then gilenor. At this point i'm hoping he shows up at the end of the pirate finale and becomes the next big bad after sliske


I seriously doubt Jermyn is Naragun, we saw it in The World Wakes... it was nothing like a monkey paradise... or even had trees..

I think Xau-Tak ascended from absorbing anima from Renmark, then went to Jermyn.

13-Mar-2018 07:29:46

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Mod Raven said:
Some interesting assumptions here, some of which are stated as facts, so be careful with your theories here. ;)

I'll help out a bit.

1. Naragun and Jermyn are not the same place.
2. Not all religious beliefs represent literal physical beings.
3. A LOT of time passes between some of the journals.

Hope this helps the discussion a bit. :)

= Raven =


God Raven posted on my thread... I'm honoured, Supreme Overlord.

But anyways, so does this mean either Xau-Tak or his 'Lesser Deities' are not physical? (Wait now im thinking about the 6th elder god thing again) and i did assume some time had passed, as the Mwanu appeared to be writing-capable, and could speak, but now they cannot. Seems to me Xau-Tak made them his grunting, ritualistic followers...

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Goldmage162 said:
Wahisietel said:


Jermyn/Bonobia is Marimbo's home planet, first talked about back in the Cabbage Facepunch event.


While certinantly plausible, we don't know that for a fact...Marimbo herself said she didn't remember the name of the planet, so really all we know is that both came from a world with large apes in a jungle.

The God who invades the jungles in the new horror journals doesn't exactly sound like the God of hedonism Marimbo described outdrinking, though of course her memory and knowledge of the event isn't exactly the best in the first place, and we know nothing of the "someone" who told her he was a hedonistic god in the first place.

Tuska certinantly is heavily hinted at, except she wouldn't really be using a horn, though I suppose it could be carried by a follower.

The airut (assuming they were with her and not with Skargaroth - is he tusked at all?) could be described as monkey-like, but then so could any humanoid species, so that's not much of a lead...


Also, the Mwana believing Xua-Tac created them doesn't mean Xua-Tac actually did. If you're really tied to the idea of Xua-tac having a creative influence on them, you could just say he granted them sentience.


If Xau-Tak (note the spelling) gave the Mwanu sentience, then he'd need to be at least Tier 2/3, considering Zaros was able to make Sentient creatures such as Nex and the Nihil, so maybe instead of 'creating' per se... Xau-Tak EDITED the Apes of Jermyn into Horrors, so they were his own beings. And the Mwanu seeing this as the first creation could just be an egotistical thing.

13-Mar-2018 15:53:57

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I just had a thought, you know those 'chants' that are associated with Xau-Tak (Like the one in Death at Sea),

"What carves it's hate upon the monolith? XAU-TAK! Through what do we crawl in silence? XAU-TAK!" What swims in the oceans of the dead? XAU-TAK! XAU-TAK! XAU-TAK!"

What if it's metaphorical for the Mwanu people devolving into the Horrors? The mwanu likely 'carved' that black mask (hate) onto that slab on Mos'le harmless under Xau-Tak's influence, and the line "Through what do we crawl in silence?" Links to a quote from Mod Wilson himself, "There is a scream so loud that you hear it as silence. And this is Xau-Tak", this could mean the Mwanu slowly going mad, and the "Oceans of the dead", those are places Xau-Tak has been, OR, the minds of the Horrors, as they are a violent people, blood and creature sacrifice is likely, as someone mentioned, their Primal Instinct, therefore it's the one thing on their mind. A sea of death, if you will.

13-Mar-2018 19:53:45

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These songs aren't just a siren song (pun very intended) for Xau-Tak's followers, it's a memorial of their descent into madness. Think about it, the crew of the Glory of zaros (This is taken from Death At Sea) went near Mos'Le Harmless, and encountered the Mwanu/Horrors, so perhaps the last things the mwanu were able to say were these chants...

13-Mar-2018 19:55:36

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Renzler said:
This may be off the wall and unrelated but the journals detailed 3 entities of form correct?

Could this at all somehow be the Obsidian Tribunal that had Saradomins daughter on a "tomb world'?


HOLY HECK HOW DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT.

3 Deities--- Tribunal (3 gods)
Obsidian- Link to xau-tak?

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SonofZeruiah said:
Personally, I doubt that Xau-Tak is an elder god, even if he draws from cthulian lore and the lovecraft idea of these deities being beyond any meaningful interaction. I admit, I could be wrong here, but I believe such a reveal would be lame, as I already view the other elder gods as completely boring and uninteresting, they are beyond us and don't care about us one way or another (I know they view us as a mistake, but for me, thats the same as "I don't care" ).

I also like the theory on the obsidian tribunal being tied to Jermyn's deities. I get that they could be tied to the Magisters, but I don't see this other connection as being completely wrong.

I also must agree that Xau-Tak (and the Queen of Ashes) need to be kept from being a god we already know, just in a different form.

All that said, however, I wonder if any or all of these deities are the Karamja gods that have so far gone unnamed or anything else outside of a single, offhand mention of existing.


To be honest i don't even think that ,if Xau-Tak is the '6th elder', he will count as one anyways. So far we think he is gonna be a type of god we can't comprehend, so perhaps due to an unnatural and irregular birthing on Freneskae, He is completely seperate from basic understanding even the Elder gods have, he is something the Universe only has one of, he's the One Unique being in existance.

17-Mar-2018 21:11:46

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The Karamjan Gods are also probably just folk-lore, inspired by 'herbal dreams' those shamans might have, we know those Herbs in Jungle Potion do something...
If the karamjan gods went this long unmentioned, then chances are that Jagex has just forgotten, which i find slightly improbable, or they aren't actually Gods. Or real.

17-Mar-2018 21:13:21

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Devil Vein said:
Hguoh said:
Devil Vein said:
From Pieces of Hate

You get to see the pool of black water with "different" stars in it while fighting Jack.
Whats more troubling is the giant stone hand that comes out of it and attacks you. Whats even more troubling is how it wrecks your sanity. Im assuming the same sanity wreckage happened to the mwanu. Finally, he seems to have had some interaction with the Dragonkin at some point. Im guessing, hes the one that pulled them into the abyss to avoid death during the last revision.


Also from Pieces of Hate:

At different points in the quest, you can see and interact with a blue kitten full of stars.
If spoken to, it cryptically foreshadows events that will soon happen in the quest.

Normally, this would be a bit of an oddity, but once you unleash the Rum-Pumped Crabs on the zombie pirates of Braindeath Isle you get these flashes of kittens playing as the crabs eviscerate the pirates. The messages to you while these images are on screen start off innocent enough like a censor in a children's cartoon, but it quickly becomes clear that they are Xau-Tak is speaking to the player.

Which means that it is entirely possible, and in my opinion likely, that when faced with intrusions into their mind by Xau-Tak the player's mind coped by envisioning it as an adorable cosmic kitten.


Furthermore
Near the end of the quest you mention that the kitten isnt really a kitten to which it replies "Well youre not really a human now are you? Do you really think you can save them?" Found that interesting.



Oh damn. Reading that just makes me more spiteful that i am ten thieving levels behind the req... I need someone to do a livestream, i'm hyped.

19-Mar-2018 16:41:05

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Devil Vein said:
Ahtelhrax said:
Wait the Dragonkin? Somebody tell me in spoilers why they are involved pls?


the temple where you go to fight rabid jack and see xau's monstrous hand, is in sunken dragonkin temple. After the fight there are four murals to examine that seem to depict a dragonkin being taken by large hands into a rift


Ooooooooh noicee.

19-Mar-2018 17:45:42

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Jumala said:
Also during the fight, when hallucinations hit, you can also see wallbeast/Nexus hands coming from the ground. Is it possible that nexus is partly the same corruption or is it just only hallucination


Or it's possible that the Nexus creature is also an avatar of Xau-Tak, and what V referred to back in Heroes Welcome...

19-Mar-2018 18:47:11

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Another Note,
In Pieces of hate, it is revealed that a 'serum' that Mi-Gor developed can turn people into Crassians, which it seems happened to Rabid jack too. Not to mention the fact that, and i quote, a 'Zombified Agoroth' (or agoroth-like crassian) is in servitude to Rabid jack in the quest, Zogroth.

This could mean, that when the Horror 'Priestesses' came out from the water in one of the horror journals, then they could have been made part Crassian, so Xau-Tak has a definite link.

20-Mar-2018 16:08:32

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Devil Vein said:
Ahtelhrax said:
I'm pretty sure Brass Hand Harry mentioned as well that he 'thought i saw some of those horrors swimming', so does this mean that the Horrors have an aquatic form too? Maybe half crassian?

He couldve also witnessed them drowning like the prophets in the journal. Just walking into the sea. Or couldve seen them post conversion.


Maybe a mix of all three? Who's to say that mwanu lifecycles dont go

Jungle Horror -> Cave Horror/Unspeakable Horror -> Crassian/Fish (Deep One?) Horror?

maybe they are born in the jungles, go to the caves, and then the final stage is crassian metamorphosis, as we see Rabid Jack has gone through, which further establishes that Crassians are individuals who are turned into those forms by Xau-tak, with wizards like Hector Vivian learning the curse, and people like Mi-Gor being able to put that curse into rum using black stones.

20-Mar-2018 18:06:50

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