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Kale100

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Jagex is shooting themselves in the foot by re-releasing "rares".

- Investors buy rares in anticipation of a return on their investment over time (this boosts the price as it removes some of the items from circulation)
- With high prices on rares, buying spins is more attractive when new rares are released.
- When Jagex goes back on their word, and re-releases "rares"...
investors lose confidence > do not buy > do not raise price > lower appeal of buying spins > lower Jagex profits

11-Apr-2017 17:42:52 - Last edited on 11-Apr-2017 17:43:44 by Kale100

Kale100

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Shadow Drive said:
Rossmallo said:
Kale100 said:
Jagex is shooting themselves in the foot by re-releasing "rares".

- Investors buy rares in anticipation of a return on their investment over time (this boosts the price as it removes some of the items from circulation)
- With high prices on rares, buying spins is more attractive when new rares are released.
- When Jagex goes back on their word, and re-releases "rares"...
investors lose confidence > do not buy > do not raise price > lower appeal of buying spins > lower Jagex profits


I would like to thank you, as you've summed up an opinion that I've been struggling to put into words for some time now.

Seriously, Jagex, if you're going to do TH stuff, at least have some sort of consistency. People ain't going to buy as much stuff from you if they don't trust you. Just saying.


Personally I like it means people can't hoard rares.


That's true, they can't hoard rares because they are actually not rares.

12-Apr-2017 03:45:51

Kale100

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iFlipTables said:
Kale100 said:
Jagex is shooting themselves in the foot by re-releasing "rares".

- Investors buy rares in anticipation of a return on their investment over time (this boosts the price as it removes some of the items from circulation)
- With high prices on rares, buying spins is more attractive when new rares are released.
- When Jagex goes back on their word, and re-releases "rares"...
investors lose confidence > do not buy > do not raise price > lower appeal of buying spins > lower Jagex profits

But making new items is effort :(


Most profits do involve effort!

12-Apr-2017 18:22:27

Kale100

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Pirachu said:
Rossmallo said:
Kale100 said:
Jagex is shooting themselves in the foot by re-releasing "rares".

- Investors buy rares in anticipation of a return on their investment over time (this boosts the price as it removes some of the items from circulation)
- With high prices on rares, buying spins is more attractive when new rares are released.
- When Jagex goes back on their word, and re-releases "rares"...
investors lose confidence > do not buy > do not raise price > lower appeal of buying spins > lower Jagex profits


I would like to thank you, as you've summed up an opinion that I've been struggling to put into words for some time now.

Seriously, Jagex, if you're going to do TH stuff, at least have some sort of consistency. People ain't going to buy as much stuff from you if they don't trust you. Just saying.

Mimic and Gemerator, probably Rainbow's End as well they never claimed were 1 time events and we knew that during them. Can you provide any examples that they said were never coming back but did? (Curious not taunting)


Gemerator and Mimic were not called tradeable rares.
Rainbow's End were called tradeable rares, and it was even bolded in the news article.

I fully expected Gemerator and Mimic to return, but special designation given to Rainbow's End logically translates to special circumstance.

12-Apr-2017 18:24:19 - Last edited on 12-Apr-2017 18:25:05 by Kale100

Kale100

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Kalea Sprite said:
Kale100 said:
iFlipTables said:
Kale100 said:
Jagex is shooting themselves in the foot by re-releasing "rares".

- Investors buy rares in anticipation of a return on their investment over time (this boosts the price as it removes some of the items from circulation)
- With high prices on rares, buying spins is more attractive when new rares are released.
- When Jagex goes back on their word, and re-releases "rares"...
investors lose confidence > do not buy > do not raise price > lower appeal of buying spins > lower Jagex profits

But making new items is effort :(


Most profits do involve effort!


1) So, if you maintain that "most profits do involve effort," then it's not clear what your concern is. It doesn't take much effort on your part to buy an item and sit on it for however long. Perhaps you should put more effort in :P

2) Also, all investments carry a certain amount of risk, so all investors should always be prepared for their investments to fail.

3) Furthermore, "investors," as you describe yourself, are not the only market open to Jagex, it's perhaps likely that they are motivated to sell these Keys due to demand from other market segments.


1) It seems you missed the keyword, most. Profits are earned by effort or proliferation of resources (i.e., money makes money)

2) Absolutely, but what if you are walking down the street, happy as can be, whistling a merry tune, and a police officer arrests you, citing a new law that was passed without notice 4.5 seconds ago against walking and whistling at the same time. Point being, if you are going to change a rule, law, or operating principle, generally a prior heads up is warranted.

3) I never described myself as an investor. I never said investors themselves are the ones buying keys, I said they motivate others to buy keys.

13-Apr-2017 16:54:11

Kale100

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Kalea Sprite said:

2) The game is unpredictable, and the fine print says they can change anything they want as they see fit.

3) It is unlikely that "investors," as you describe them, have an influence on the purchasing habits of other players, if someone likes something they buy it regardless of your so-called "investors."


2) Ok, so if you are permanently banned tomorrow, for no other reason than Jagex felt like it, you should have no complaints by that logic.

3) It is not only likely, it is a simple extrapolation of human behavior. Which option sounds more appealing to you?
A) Spend $5 on keys > Get 1 rainbow cape > Sell 1 rainbow cape for 20m gp
B) Spend $5 on keys > Get 1 rainbow cape > Sell 1 rainbow cape for 30m gp

Option B is the logical answer, you get more output for the same input. Investors drive up prices by providing demand and reducing circulating supply. This is fact.

13-Apr-2017 21:14:22

Kale100

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Kalea Sprite said:
2) Technically yes, they could do that because all these accounts belong to them, the player is basically just borrowing the account. One might complain all they like but there is no grounds for it because all this stuff belongs to Jagex. Obviously, they probably wouldn't take such action unless there was good reason.

3) Your so-called "investor" in your scenerio is actually providing the supply side, they do not provide the demand side if they are selling it in-game for gold pieces.

In fact, it is the player that spends the gold pieces that provides the demand in your scenerio. If they didn't exist then your "investor" would have no one to sell it to. Logically, they would actually prefer to pay the lower price.

Furthermore, you forgot to add:

C) Spend $5 on keys > Get 1 rainbow cape > Perfect item for the next music video.
D) Spend $5 on keys > Get 1 rainbow cape > Add to collection of amazing st
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2) Ok so ethics are nothing, only policy matters. That is not how things progress for the better...

3) You are either terrible at reading or intentionally misrepresenting my points, which coming from someone who doesn't value ethics, shouldn't surprise me I suppose.
An investor in RuneScape, is someone who buys an item in Runescape

14-Apr-2017 19:28:08

Kale100

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Mayahai said:
To anyone bitching about the term ''rare'', please read a dictionary and educate yourself.
Now you know you should only invest in items called ''discontinued'' by Jagex.


First, you should educate yourself. The term "rare" is not the issue, the term "tradeable rare" is.

Second, Jagex should have educated themselves and not use a term already in use by the community.

19-Apr-2017 17:40:16 - Last edited on 19-Apr-2017 17:41:30 by Kale100

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