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Transcendent
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The biggest problem with Treasure Hunter as I see it is it gives out XP making gains buyable in a pay to win sort of way, which diminishes achievements.

It also hands out armour and weapons with stats which diminishes the value of drops from monsters.

It also hands out clothing that gives bonus XP, which again diminishes achievements in gaining XP and is an unfair advantage to those who don't have these outfits and can't afford to buy keys.

The other big problem is we were told MTX would fund game updates, allow Jagex to hire new staff to provide bigger, better, more frequent, and less buggy content, and this has not materialized at all, in fact we have seen the exact opposite, less content, more bugs, less care going into the actual game and more and more content being based around MTX first and the actual game content allowed to stop being made as much, and when it is made it is content players are largely not interested in.

Players might accept MTX if it followed through on the promise to improve the actual game, but it hasn't done so, and seems to have instead made Jagex stop development on the main game since MTX are to Jagex seemingly the most important thing now, much more important and much more regular than actual game content. And this is a possible reason the game is losing players, much more than the MTX the lack of game content is what is hurting the game the most, in my opinion.
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27-Oct-2017 17:22:12

Iceey
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Iceey

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The skilling outfits is no longer an issue and can't really be called pay to win. You can now earn mostly all Skilling outfits in game one way or another except for Master Skilling Outfits, which will slow come out in the future.

I hardly see an issue with weapons as most weapons on TH are 60 or 70 which can easily be obtained in the game.

The XP, I can understand. But again I see no issue with it. At least not Bonus xp, as you still have to work for it, and we get more bonus xp now than we get real xp, or at least I do.


The problem with there money is the fact that they keep making new games which fail. That is what has been hurting their budget the last few years. They have put so much money into other games that fail, miserably at that, they need more money.


MTX is not a huge issue. If people are willing to spend money on something that doesn't really effect other people, let them. The extent of MTX in Runescape is very limited compared to other games that outright give you max gear like Overwatch, CoD, racing games ect.


They problem is, they are forcing us to buy 100+ keys to MAYBE get something you want. We shouldn't have to be forces into buying keys to finish a damn outfit that has no bonuses. Yes other games do it, but god they are so more lenient that Runescape.

LP and Soloman's is the only thing that was handled well and now they are slowly killing it off, just like they did with Loyalty Points.
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27-Oct-2017 20:51:30 - Last edited on 27-Oct-2017 20:52:36 by Iceey

Blackwing
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Iceey said:
The skilling outfits is no longer an issue and can't really be called pay to win. You can now earn mostly all Skilling outfits in game one way or another except for Master Skilling Outfits, which will slow come out in the future.

Dungeoneering outfit is still locked to those who didn't get it with keys, and it gives an advantage over those who don't have the outfit on the seasonal dungeoneering hiscores. Sure, the outfit might come out with fragments in the future, but that doesn't fix the situation with the seasonal hiscores now.


Iceey said:
MTX is not a huge issue. If people are willing to spend money on something that doesn't really effect other people, let them. The extent of MTX in Runescape is very limited compared to other games that outright give you max gear like Overwatch, CoD, racing games ect.

Spinned exp does affect other people; from ruining the purpose of hiscores, to increasing the amount of people with the skill levels to do X moneymaking method, which in turn reduces its profitability. Also, even if some people have it worse than us, it doesn't mean our situation is good; our situation is still unacceptable.
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27-Oct-2017 22:02:23

Transcendent
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The big issue for me is not Treasure Hunter, but the lack of quality game content this year.

For MTX, I would rather spend Runecoins and know I will get what I want, than to do spins and end up with mostly small stars I didn't want. I don't like the gamble of Treasure Hunter in getting things other than what I wanted. XP is helpful if it is prismatic and I can put it on what I want, but getting XP in skills I already have 99 or 120 in and don't need the XP doesn't make me enjoy getting that XP.
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28-Oct-2017 03:56:07

ALBUS POTTER
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Transcendent said:
The biggest problem with Treasure Hunter as I see it gives out XP which diminishes achievements.

can't afford to buy keys.

Players might accept MTX if it followed through on the promise to improve the actual game, but it hasn't done so,

a possible reason the game is losing players.


1. The game has been around for 16 years. People can max in 3 years, casually. They only sense of achievement in my eyes is how long you've been playing the game e.g. are you a noob or veteran.
Personal achievements should not be compared to other people.
We pay for membership. We pay for a 'chance' of receiving what we want.

2. Some people can't afford the pay for spins. But then some people can't afford to play as much as the previous player.

3. The developers keep changing and providing updates to the game regularly, you might not see it, but all the updates seem to be during my timezones peak.
Also promises are hard to keep when you are relying on other people. I can keep a promise if it's me personally doing the task. But if its a team situation, people can get sick, lose time, be human and make errors, etc.
Also improvements on the game can be defined with a personal opinion. There might be a small update about how there was some glitch that made cows go aggro if they walked outside their area. You may not believe it improves the game, but it does.

4. MTX has been apart of this game for 5 years. I don't see why now, suddenly, its this terrible thing that's ruining your game-pay.

28-Oct-2017 04:40:58

ALBUS POTTER
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Iceey said:


I see no issue with it. At least not Bonus xp, as you still have to work for it

MTX is not a huge issue. If people are willing to spend money on something that doesn't really effect other people, let them. The extent of MTX in Runescape is very limited

They problem is, they are forcing us to buy 100+ keys to MAYBE get something you want.


I think you made some really good points here.

Bonus Exp was a terrific idea in my eyes. I love seeing those huge exp numbers drop!

I'm not sure if purchasing 100+ keys for a chance can be helped. They could add a selection page where you can choose what you want, or even choose the type of key you want, but for a very increased amount.

e.g.
10 Bonds = 150 random Keys
10 Bonds = 90 Yellow Keys
10 Bonds = 40 Orange Keys
10 Bonds = 20 Red Keys
10 Bonds = 5 Purple Keys

or

10 Bonds = Select Which prize you want

28-Oct-2017 04:57:36

Transcendent
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ALBUS POTTER said:


4. MTX has been apart of this game for 5 years. I don't see why now, suddenly, its this terrible thing that's ruining your game-pay.


The main way the non stop promotions on Treasure Hunter are effecting me is it has kept bond prices too high, so I won't be renewing as many memberships for 2018.
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28-Oct-2017 05:12:51

ALBUS POTTER
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Transcendent said:
ALBUS POTTER said:


4. MTX has been apart of this game for 5 years. I don't see why now, suddenly, its this terrible thing that's ruining your game-pay.


The main way the non stop promotions on Treasure Hunter are effecting me is it has kept bond prices too high, so I won't be renewing as many memberships for 2018.


Oh I see, it's for personal gain.

28-Oct-2017 05:18:13

Transcendent
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It benefits Jagex if bond prices are high, because I am guessing they sell more and make more money.

It benefits players who have real money to spend on bonds because they get more GP per dollar spent.

It harms the players who have to earn the GP in game though, and has a negative effect on on their in game banks if they have to pay more GP per bond.

At this point I'd rather see a fixed cap on how high bonds can sell for than to see them continue to rise while my ways of gaining GP do not improve. Anything above 15m per bond I find unreasonable personally, though others may have a differing opinion. I would prefer not to pay more than 12m per bond, and even lower would be better for me, but maybe not better for Jagex or for players spending real money on bonds.

I can't keep paying 2m more GP every year per bond and maintain as many memberships as I currently have. Apparently some players can afford to pay more in GP, but I can't, and I won't even if I could. At a certain price point, bonds are no worth buying for GP for me, when I can fall back and pay $5 dollars a month for membership and forgo having VIP membership instead.

But any way of paying for membership stops being worth it if the content provided is sub par or absent as it was in 2017, and the game lacking quality new content is more likely to see me unsubscribe than in your face MTX which I don't have to buy.
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28-Oct-2017 05:40:08

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