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Barnabis
Oct Gold Premier Club Member 2015

Barnabis

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UPDATES on number of signatures:


Current: 16,266 Nov 28th

Milestones:
100k - (petition will be considered for debate in Parliament)
75k -
50k -
25k -
10,338 Oct 14 (
Government gave "bland" response.
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7,554 Oct 10
~5,200 signatures at time of original posting (Oct 9).

If your in the U.K. there is currently a petition to end MTX gambling in all video games. Since Jagex is UK based, it would totally bring and end to Treasure Hunter. Hopefully the UK can get this right as USA and Australia failed on this (not sure what other nations failed).

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/201300

Petition for new signatures Expires April 2018.
Petition
Adapt gambling laws to include gambling in video games which targets children.

Many video game companies in recent years have introduced mechanics which are essentially gambling of which are targeted at children and vulnerable adults. While not currently considers gambling by law they do copy many traits to make them as addictive and can lead to real money being lost/earned.


I'm not anti-mtx. I'm anti-gambling as a person that once had a gambling addiction I've been strongly opposed to TH. Fortunately I learned my lesson very early in life. TH could still be used as in-game content, with tokens that are only earnable via normal gameplay.
Jagex 2019 New Year Resolution... MTX our customers until RS3 SERVER SHUTDOWN PARTY!
The RS3 Community is treated like :@RUBBISH:@ due to constant TH promotions.

Don't buy keys on Treasure Hunter, if you do Jagex will only make more TH promotions :(

09-Oct-2017 15:09:01 - Last edited on 29-Nov-2017 03:23:17 by Barnabis

Exit Wound

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treasure hunter isnt gambling. you win a reward even if you dont like it. dont be silly this wont fix anything, they'll setup shop in china instead of the uk then were screwed. nice try th0 "all we are is dust in the wind"

- Kansas

09-Oct-2017 16:46:44

Dan Ace114
Mar Member 2016

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Th in its self I would not consider gambling. When you use a key (free, earned or paid) there is a clear selection of prizes available which you are guaranteed to win one of. The rest is just down to RNG.

However promotions like prize pool did step over the line imo.

09-Oct-2017 19:38:00

NeuralNet

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Blackwing said:
Thunder Jinx said:
This motion will only serve to make Jagex move abroad.

IMO the risk is worth it, although I doubt this is going to succeed. Legislation doesn't adapt to the times fast enough.


They'll probably move abroad anyway eventually! Remember Jagex is Chinese owned and operated.
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NeuralNet
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09-Oct-2017 23:19:51

NeuralNet

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Dan Ace114 said:
Th in its self I would not consider gambling. When you use a key (free, earned or paid) there is a clear selection of prizes available which you are guaranteed to win one of. The rest is just down to RNG.

However promotions like prize pool did step over the line imo.


Not sure about the UK. In the USA, gambling is defined as:
"means the staking or risking by any person of something of value upon the outcome of a contest of others, a sporting event, or a game subject to chance, upon an agreement or understanding that the person or another person will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome;"

I think TH certainly qualifies because it is a "game of chance", because it is based on a RNG - you don't always get the same exact prize and the player has little control over what he gets in exchange for money. "Something of value" can be interpreted broadly, anything that someone desires can be said to have value.

I suspect a good enough lawyer could sue a game company right now with the laws already on the books.
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NeuralNet
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09-Oct-2017 23:32:03

Tophurious
Dec Gold Premier Club Member 2014

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So TH just has to change to a more straightforward approach to selling XP and other prizes to avoid breaking the law. Maybe instead of keys we'll just buy chests that are filled with predetermined amounts of XP rewards and junk to assist skilling. If this petition succeeds TH will probably get even worse than it already is :( tell me your favorite vegetable here

10-Oct-2017 12:47:47 - Last edited on 10-Oct-2017 12:48:25 by Tophurious

Hguoh
Mar Gold Premier Club Member 2014

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NeuralNet said:
Dan Ace114 said:
Th in its self I would not consider gambling. When you use a key (free, earned or paid) there is a clear selection of prizes available which you are guaranteed to win one of. The rest is just down to RNG.

However promotions like prize pool did step over the line imo.


Not sure about the UK. In the USA, gambling is defined as:
"means the staking or risking by any person of something of value upon the outcome of a contest of others, a sporting event, or a game subject to chance, upon an agreement or understanding that the person or another person will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome;"

I think TH certainly qualifies because it is a "game of chance", because it is based on a RNG - you don't always get the same exact prize and the player has little control over what he gets in exchange for money. "Something of value" can be interpreted broadly, anything that someone desires can be said to have value.

I suspect a good enough lawyer could sue a game company right now with the laws already on the books.


I suggest you pay closer attention. It doesn't say that a game of chance is gambling. It says that staking or risking something of value upon the outcome of a game subject to chance is. You don't stake or risk anything on the outcome of TH. As you always pay a key to win a prize, it isn't staking or risking (you don't have a chance to keep the key and you always win something).

It is arguable as to whether or not the prize pool promotion stepped into the territory of gambling since there was a chance to lose your accumulated prize pool (staking or risking) based on the result of TH (a game subject to chance) which does appear to constitute gambling. Though I'd suspect they might get around it the same way McDonalds Monopoly does (having a method of free entry = technically nothing of 'value' is staked/risked).

10-Oct-2017 16:33:57 - Last edited on 11-Oct-2017 22:15:05 by Hguoh

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