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Draco Burnz
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Steelweaver said:
Pickaxe of Earth and Song is the only augmentable T90 pickaxe. With the proper perks, it pulls far ahead of the ER+5 Pickaxe.

If it's not worth the time investment to you, don't get it. Simple.

I wouldn't mind a buff, but don't think it's needed.


Agreed.

Seems like a personal issue IMO.
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07-Feb-2019 22:28:38

Steelweaver
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Darkmaster_b said:
The minor benefit of the E&S pic being augmentable is LAUGHABLE compared to what it takes to make one. Anyone with even the smallest brain could make a rational comparison of cost vs reward here and see the E&S pic is woefully lacking. Any argument counter to this just doesn't justify it. They're just boot lickers that worship the ground Jagex walks on.


No Perks

Perks


Sorry for the size. Cost vs Comparison, in the LONG RUN, E&S still pulls ahead.
18 more ore per hour is currently the difference between 1.38m/hr and 1.45m/hr.
You're also going from one metamorphic every ~3 hours to one metamorphic every ~2 hours.

E&S isn't meant to be a short term deal (which the Elder Rune Pickaxe +5 fills very noticeably and purposefully).

Invention was never meant to give large sweeping short term buffs.

Again, I wouldn't mind a buff but it doesn't NEED it.

EDIT: That is to say, E&S doesn't pull far ahead of an Elder Rune Pickaxe +5 until the hourly profits you've gained using it outweighs the time and cost of unlocking it.

For some, it's shorter. I've essentially made a full Masterwork set from metamorphics alone in all my time spent mining making five others. I spend most of my days mining and smithing because they've always been what I enjoy the most in this game.

For others, it's longer. You might not spend that much time mining.

You need to look at the numbers of how much mining you plan to be doing over X amount of time, and decide if an extra 18 ores an hour and a 70% increase to metamorphic geode rates is worth Y time investment.

X being the time spent mining, Y being how long it would take you to earn that Earth and Song from your current position.

EDIT2: Helpful mining calculator for accurate calculations and proof to backup the above statements:
https://runescape.wiki/w/User:Suity/MSRework/MiningCalculator
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08-Feb-2019 03:00:46 - Last edited on 08-Feb-2019 03:10:30 by Steelweaver

Xythazar
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Augments should not be the only perk to a pickaxe that takes so much time and investment vs a pick that can be bought they shouldn't even be similar.

Imcando Pickaxe (e) was best Pick for a very long time and it took a lot of time to achieve and a very expensive investment. Now it is worse then the new ugly Elder rune pick +5 which takes no investment to achieve at all.


Pickaxe of Earth and song should have a clear and defined advantage over all other pickaxes. I also feel Imcando should be equal or greater then elder rune pickaxe in terms of tier.


Grandmaster and grind based player locked picks should always have a clear and defined advantage over other picks that can be traded.

Saying that the Pickaxe of earth and song is only better because of augments is cheating the people who work hard to get the pickaxe. for the game has had clear advantages and passives for bound grandmaster picks in the past.

11-Feb-2019 08:44:24

Rikornak
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Xythazar said:
Augments should not be the only perk to a pickaxe that takes so much time and investment vs a pick that can be bought they shouldn't even be similar.

Imcando Pickaxe (e) was best Pick for a very long time and it took a lot of time to achieve and a very expensive investment. Now it is worse then the new ugly Elder rune pick +5 which takes no investment to achieve at all.


Pickaxe of Earth and song should have a clear and defined advantage over all other pickaxes. I also feel Imcando should be equal or greater then elder rune pickaxe in terms of tier.


Grandmaster and grind based player locked picks should always have a clear and defined advantage over other picks that can be traded.

Saying that the Pickaxe of earth and song is only better because of augments is cheating the people who work hard to get the pickaxe. for the game has had clear advantages and passives for bound grandmaster picks in the past.


How was a pickaxe that had a slower mining rate than a different one that existed at that time, the potentially unwanted ability to randomly destroy part of your mined produce for a few xp and unable to be toolbelted the best one for a very long time? Ignoring the ability it also couldn't be augmented since you do not see that as a valid point anyway. The M&S rework made it useful in the first place - if it wasn't buffed it would just be equal to a fully upgraded orikalkum one. How can players have such a warped sight on something that just was a few months ago?

I mean okay - back to topic: The crystal pickaxe previously had an effect to double your chance for strange and golden mining rocks - just like any other crystal tool still has for their respective skills. Why not re-implement this and inherit it to E&S?
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11-Feb-2019 10:27:41 - Last edited on 11-Feb-2019 15:18:07 by Rikornak

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PieBoy said:
I really think that it needs some sort of additional perks. If you had spent all the time grinding out the anima orbs for Staff of sliske and at the end of it found it was just marginally better, if not arguably the same as a noxious staff,
It is just marginally better.

But I agreethat E&S should have better stats or a special effect considering the time effort and unique effects of everything it requires. Feels like it shouldn't be generic.
You'll get it when you deserve it.

11-Feb-2019 13:33:21

Steelweaver
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Xythazar said:
Augments should not be the only perk to a pickaxe that takes so much time and investment vs a pick that can be bought they shouldn't even be similar.

Imcando Pickaxe (e) was best Pick for a very long time and it took a lot of time to achieve and a very expensive investment. Now it is worse then the new ugly Elder rune pick +5 which takes no investment to achieve at all.


Dunno where you lived for all those years but even when we didn't have the Crystal Pickaxe, the Imcando Pickaxe was only better when you were in the Lava Flow Mine. Everywhere else, it behaved as a Dragon Pickaxe. The enchantment on it, while powerful, only lasted for 100 ores. For most people, running back to the Lava Flow Mine after only 100 ores was a waste of time even if the effect was strong.

Xythazar said:
Pickaxe of Earth and song should have a clear and defined advantage over all other pickaxes.

Augmentability at T90.
It's like saying Drygores should have a clear and defined advantage over all other weaponry.

Xythazar said:
Grandmaster and grind based player locked picks should always have a clear and defined advantage over other picks that can be traded.
Augmentability.

Xythazar said:
Saying that the Pickaxe of earth and song is only better because of augments is cheating the people who work hard to get the pickaxe. for the game has had clear advantages and passives for bound grandmaster picks in the past.
To be completely fair, until previously you almost HAD to get those Grandmaster picks to get anywhere reliably with Mining.
If you were doing anything with just a Rune Pickaxe or Dragon Pickaxe, you were handicapping yourself to the greatest extent akin to running around in T50 gear with T90 stats.

Now anybody can make their way through Mining without requiring Grandmaster quests (which was the point).
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11-Feb-2019 15:10:24

Deltaslug

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The bigger questions are:
how deeply do you plan to go into Mining and Smithing?
do you need to use Mining to train Invention?


If you're sitting on 90 Mining and planning to go to 99, then you can use either tool.

If you're a Completionist (pretty much chasing after anything that requires mining) and you're not maxed in Mining, Smithing, or Invention, then there is something to be said for knocking off the requirements to unlock to PoeS because that extra few percent you get from an augmented tool will come in handy in the long run.

Now, if you already have 99 or 120 or 200m Mining
AND
you're done with Invention, then just use the Elder Rune pickaxe. You probably won't be doing enough to worry about it.

12-Feb-2019 03:58:15

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