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777havoc
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Every since the mining/smithing remake (as much as I enjoy it) quite a few locations with requirements to access them got screwed over. For the sake of this topic I want to disqus Shilo's underground gem mine.

The underground mine requires Karemja's hard tasks to be completed which was fine at the time, the rocks mined instantly and it provided several extra rocks which had less competition due to the requirements. Due to ores and gems never depleting now, the extra rocks provided by the underground mine are not pointless, Jagex didn't even see fit to boost them a tier like with Lunar Island's gem rocks thus they are the same exact rocks as the gem rocks above them, locked behind multiple requirements.

02-Feb-2019 01:18:55

777havoc
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777havoc

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@Rikornak
Currently you can mine up to dragonstone on Lunar Island and up to Onyx in Prif.
Shilo village, both the surface mine and the achievement locked mine, only go up to diamond.

The way things are now:

*The rate of receiving gems from ores has been vastly increased via geodes which can give up to dragonstone (or Onyx if Metamorphic )
*As originally stated, due to gem rocks never depleting now, the benefit of more gem rocks is now lost
*Gem rocks (except Prif) are already on shaky ground due to the large surplus of gems you can get just mining normally via stackable geodes.

Boosting the underground rocks to reward up to Dragonstone would at least give some purpose back to the underground mine, but, if you have any better ideas I'd like to hear them.

02-Feb-2019 10:56:18

Rikornak
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Thing is - using gem mines (except for the two achievements) is a waste of time anyway, since they take way to long to be mined - and you easily could get generous amounts of gems just by mining and cracking geodes. The issue isn't that a distinct gem mine isn't as useful as it could be, the issue is the whole concept needs to re-thought. And to be honest - mining for 10 minutes in prif, just to end up with a diamond - no thank you.

Let's just assume they would place rare gem rocks in the shilo underground mine - why would I mine them there instead of the lunar isle mine or the kal'gerion dungeon? It would thematically fit as an upgrade to the karamja gloves and the regular mine, but why should I use it?

I don't see obtaining onyx from metamorphics as an issue btw. They're fairly rarely awarded and contain other potential drops as well.

The only way I could imagine fixing the rocks themselves would be reducing the amount of time needed to mine them by something between 50 and 75 % and have their floor drops being replaced by spirit gems as well.

For instance Trahaearn rock would be at least a dragonstone or spirit dragonstone, more rarely a spirit onyx and a regular onyx as jackpot drop. Question would be what to do with the achievement then of course.
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02-Feb-2019 14:01:09

777havoc
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To be fair, they used to be mined instantly, Jagex gave gem rocks too much hp in the new system. Also what you mentioned I already said with "*Gem rocks (except Prif) are already on shaky ground due to the large surplus of gems you can get just mining normally via stackable geodes." Regardless I feel like Shilo got especially screwed in that the entire point of the underground mine was being more gems with less competition, with non depleting veins, theres no point in it it needs some kind of boost to make up for losing it's purpose and boosting the rocks to Dragonstone tier makes the most sense.


I'm not sure about prif gem rocks, but, shilo rocks takes 40 seconds per gem which is insane considering non gem rocks mine much faster and as we both said, award plenty of gem containing geodes while doing so. As for why to mine in Shilo instead of Lunar Island, no Suqah.


I never said it was an issue, I said "*Gem rocks (except Prif)" yes it does give onyx but not enough to ruin the purpose of Prif's gem rocks as the abundance of Igneous and Sedimentary geodes did for the other gems.

Reducing gem rock hp by 50% - 75% is one way to go about it and allowing them to give spirit gems as well as normal gems would be a nice boost but I have a feeling Jagex doesn't wanna give out spirit gems via mining.


Are you suggesting a minimum of dragonstone then? I don't think that'd work too well, a minimum of ruby might since Lunar island's minimum is emerald while Prif for whatever reason has a minimum of sapphire. As for my suggestion for Karemja's achievement mine, I already stated that boosting them to be on par with Lunar Island is what makes the most sense to me but that I'm also open to suggestions.

02-Feb-2019 14:41:23

Rikornak
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Yeah no suqah might be an argument for replacing the rocks in the underground mine.

I think the lower kinds of gem rocks actually are fine by what they're awarding. I guess the prif one could be changed to award only diamonds (as oposed to rubies) and higher (with a pure dragonstone focus while VoS is active). I am really not sure how many onyxies you're getting from the prif mine, but let's say you're using it for an hour and you end up without any you've basically wasted your time. Not too sure if getting just one would be worth the time (instead of mining something else), two probably will.
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02-Feb-2019 20:07:45

777havoc
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I finally have access to Prif and upgraded my equipment a bit in the process.
It takes approx 2 minutes 5 seconds per gem with a +5 Elder Rune pickaxe and lvl 91 mining (that is with 2 crits)

The other rocks didn't improve by much with Lunar Island gem rocks taking approx 1 minute 25 seconds each and Shilo gem rocks still taking 40 seconds

05-Feb-2019 13:20:16 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2019 13:21:12 by 777havoc

Deltaslug

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Didn't they discuss they were going to reduce the amount of dmg gem rocks take?

I can kinda understand the loss in value of gem mines (all of them now, not just Shilo)

But I kinda agree with Rikornak, I don't see much value in changing them.
With the number of geodes you get, yeah gem rocks are almost a waste.

The only advantage of a gem rock is the better likelihood of getting the low-mid tier gems (for things like Legend's Quest). But given that gems still have the same problem as ore/bar drops pre-M/S rework (on monster drop tables), if you want gems: go do slayer tasks.
Lesser-Black Demons have an ok drop rate of Saph-Ruby
Gargoyles for Emerald and Rubies
Abyssal Demons for Ruby and Diamond
Gemstone Dragons

Not the only sources, but you get the idea.

And now it becomes a question of which is simply faster for you:
Slayer?
or mining higher tier rocks for a few days and then opening all the geodes?

09-Feb-2019 22:07:50 - Last edited on 09-Feb-2019 22:08:07 by Deltaslug

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