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JoaoNoFind said:
Tenebri said:
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idea on the forums. grats you beat make holiday items tradeable.


Fixed your typo for you, thank me later.:D


please dont change a quote its very dishonest

sTReTCh1028 said:
Those of you staunchly opposed to it, you might as well grow to accept it. It's going to happen at some point. It has to if the game is to survive. It's not a "suggestion", it's a mandate.


that hilarious if you think jagex are going to make it ftp completely... one of there biggest ways of making money they are going to stop

lol

i didnt have much reason to take anything you say with any kind of validity. but now you've shown there is no reason whatsoever.

congratulations
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Ancient Zest said:
When you see how oppossed the community is to any kind of progress or innovation to attract new players


aye cause new players who dont understand anything are the best to listen to lmao

theres supporting a good idea for progress. but then theres this thread which is not in slightest a good idea to encourage progress
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Kid Pepsi said:
Funny that people fear a "toxic" community when a portion of you are trying to argue in this forum without putting any effort in adding facts


where are your facts?

youve made this claim it would be better for this. all youve done is say older community is scammers that live off their mums credits cards....

so yeah which is toxic

Kid Pepsi said:
It's true because it's harder to get membership with moms credit card rather than getting your own job and paying it yourself!


Kid Pepsi said:
it would likely be senior players scamming and picking on gullible kids.


^^ as you can see nothing you say holds any validity when its just an attack on the opposition

Kid Pepsi said:
It's not the new potential players that would cause a toxic domino effect, it's the reaction of senior players bickering and whining about the "noobs".


oh no i love new accounts its a new way to show off how awesome i am. and on a more serious note. they are important to longevity of the game. what you propose isnt going to help that. you claim it is. but instead of giving sound evidence to back this claim up. you just talk shit instead. which gets you nowhere apart from labelled as immature

Kid Pepsi said:
Also stop bickering over things that are not related to this topic, if you're mad take it to Duel Arena.


hes known to do this its usuall. they will be hidden in no time hopefully
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29-Apr-2019 22:48:49 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2019 23:06:58 by Tenebri

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Ancient Zest said:
You're ignoring the fact the purpose is to attract new players


im fully aware why op and you think this is a good idea to attract new players.... but guess what there is free game already there to attract them shock fucking horror.

why on earth would a new player care for getting torva doing elite dungeons etc etc when they will start doing which is already ftp stuff. ftp is the demo the starter to the game once youve done enough you then go further which is members. putting a new player that doesnt understand anything into a game with this much information is going to be too much to handle

the smaller ftp game is much more user friendly for newer players

Ancient Zest said:
its membership was 5 dollars a month which is friendly to an allowance,


yes i was playing in 2004 im aware of what it use to be etc.... i am "senior" as the op put it

Ancient Zest said:
TF2 was pay to play and it's free now, about 11 years old and has 50mil players and still makes money.


and runescape is almost 20 years old with a membership and is still classified as one of the most popular mmorpgs

whats your point?

Ancient Zest said:
250 million is a quater of a billion!


oh my god i did not know this..... why even add this emphasis in? so weird

Ancient Zest said:
You people just don't want to innovate.


you people?

no im just against bad ideas


idk why you are typing as if you are talking to a child its really weird
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29-Apr-2019 23:39:04 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2019 23:50:54 by Tenebri

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Ancient Zest said:
but I don't hear any better ideas coming from you to attract the next geneartion.


yaaaaay you go into a personal attack instead of the actual discussion


congratulations on your fallacy


i didnt come here to brainstorm ideas i came here to look at peoples ideas. if i like ill show that if not ill say its a bad idea. so yes im not giving out ideas for bring people in. im not here to do that so. oh well im sorry to disspoint you. but im not here to impress you. as i really dont give a shit about you


Ancient Zest said:
Btw the millienials are young adults now, the kids these day are gen z.


okay? i dont know why you are adding random information. i didnt talk about gen z or millenials.... i think that was you.
either way it holds nothing to the argument you are making....

Ancient Zest said:
Your thinking is archaic.


not at all im stating how it is and it is working. and how changing this wont work for runescape. for other games sure it can work. but not for a 20 year old game. there a times where this will work wonderfully. but others not. in this case its not.

membership is a huge part of the income to jagex. removing this thinking it will get enough new players in to buy cosmetics cause fortnite does it. is just naive. and a terrible business decision
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Kid Pepsi said:
You're right, once again it's too hard for people to understand the main point


are you ignoring everything thats been discussed before you post this? we have been talking about new players....

literally my post above yours is about that lmao



Kid Pepsi said:
it's easy to express frustration with profanity


i use "profanity" the way its meant to be used for emphasis
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Kid Pepsi said:
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Bro I'm sorry I don't understand your point, I'm not going to attack you, please give yourself the opportunity to clarify why this would not work. I'm sorry that I am giving you a hard time but I feel passionate about this game and I want it to grow.


what do you not understand?

which parts ive said a lot

@ancient zest if you are just going to be disrespectful im not going to respond to your derailments. id rather have an adult conversation
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In a economic perspective how will this not work?


you mean taking away the biggest part of jagex income? in hopes it brings in new players to buy cosmetics?


there already is a ftp game.... increasing that to the full game. isnt going to change people wanting to come in. cause they are still going to be doing what is ftp activity is now as the ftp activity is lower tier game.

so why on an economic stand point would jagex stop a huge income for them?

Kid Pepsi said:
As of now I still haven't heard an actual reason in why this is a BAD idea


there hasnt been any good reasoning for this to happen
and reasoning has been posted

if in a court room someone said x is guilty. provides no evidence for the claim. the default is to let x go.

thats same here youve made a claim and havent given anything to say how it work. just "ohhh no one has given reasoning as to why it wont work" which is false in its own right. you just ignore it. as shown in previous pages
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Ancient Zest said:
Tren said:
@ Ancient Zest - Several of your recent posts have been removed as flaming and off-topic.

Code of Conduct:
"Be respectful of your fellow forumers.
No need to flame any players, no matter your history.
There is a difference between flaming another player and sharing your opinion on their argument. Remember to discuss the topic, not the player you're talking to"

You don't know what flaming is.
Calling a person out for profanity and their use of logical fallacies such as cherry picking is not flaming. Please familiarize yourself with what flaming is.

"Flaming is the online act of posting insults, often laced with profanity or other offensive language on social networking sites. These insults may turn into flame wars where two or more individuals unite to exchange or unite against a third party with verbal attacks."



If you feel the removal of post is unjust the correct place to go to is here

And pepsi im on my phone now i cant decipher what Youve said unless someone fixes the quotes so its not a mess. Sorry
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Ancient Zest said:
t amazes me how people here think FTP games can't and don't make money.


that has never been said. stop being dishonest.

there are many popular successful games that are ftp. please read what has been said instead of making shit up.

as no once have we said "ftp games dont make money"

infact i have said previously it can work it does work. but it will not work with runescape.

do i need to remind you to not take things out of context on purpose? that should be obvious but if you think we are saying ftp games dont make money... where are you reading this as we havent said this at all.


Kid Pepsi said:
I'm convinced that they don't want "new players" getting the same content for free because they played this game all their life paying Jagex.


its best not to make assumptions or atleast if you are give evidence for this..


Kid Pepsi said:
I'm sorry I lost interest in your discussion, due to you arguing over unrelated stuff. I explained it about the phone app scenario you were just too busy thr itowing a tantrum with that other guy and staying off topic that you got distracted, I didn't say it would be cosmetics 100% (further proving you can't pay attention and stay on topic) , RS3 has hearts of ice or whatever that chest thing is, the more people join this game the higher the probability they'll spend money on this game, increase the chance to get them hooked on OSRS and Bam they gotta pay membership for that, more people playing , more popular the game. If Jagex wants they can add other forms of micro payments "IF" they had a huge flood of new "active" players , but it's only just a dream.. :(


so instead of actually making a response to what i said you just babble about osrs?? okay
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30-Apr-2019 18:22:04 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2019 18:27:32 by Tenebri

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i was using cosmetics just as an example. the main point i was making is you are wanting to remove the main way jagex makes money. in hopes these new players (if it brings in new players. yet to show it will) will then buy cosmetics etc i added etc to help you comprehend i dont want list everything other aspect


now made another assumption they will start on rs3 and then move to osrs?

indeed you are just dreaming. i agree on that

hopefully this wont be implemented because the 15 year myth of rs is dead is still going. but if rs was to become free and soley rely on mtx it will die.


bonds are mainly used for memberships. which intern is more $$ than actually paying members with $$

with that less demand for bonds. creating them to drop in price a lot. making them not be wanted for buying for gp.

only soley for runecoins.

so bonds will die

you think it will bring in new players cause they have access to members stuff? but as explained now 3 times. everything they will start with in ftp is what they will start with in members. thats what ftp is for. why increase what ftp users can do when new users wont be able to use this new ftp stuff

when they want more stuff thats where the members comes in. so why on earth would new players come to play if its "yay ftp can use torva" oh shit they cant use that anyway....

making rs3 ftp holds no relevence to bringing in new players

you have yet to explain how it will at all.

you just try make insults (i think insults) to people who disagree with you. (see your most recent post)

you are wanting to turn it into a mtx game p2win game which is why most people left in first place
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Ancient Zest said:
@Tenebri

Nice cherry pick. You still fail to offer an argument as to why it wouldn't work.


read above... literally the post above. i talk about how it wont wont :) best to read before you respond treacle

i also dont need to provide anything. the burden of proof is on you / OP as youve made the claim it should happen. thats yet to happen. even though ive asked. i just usually get flamed with fallacies

Kid Pepsi said:
So yea more players more money , look at Fornite


yes it works for fortnite i dont care it works for fortnite it will not work here..... you have said it will bring in more players.... it wont not enough to comprehend the money they get from members.

as stated now 4 times if you please read

the demo (ftp) is what new players will start playing. whether or not it paid for or not... if they enjoy that enough they will pay members if not they wont play anymore anyway...Kid Pepsi said:
I think we have similar personalities and we both hate to be wrong, I will argue with you forever


wrong i dont argue forever. when presented actual evidence which ive asked for if i can be proven wrong i will accept it. you cant


so please provide evidence that this will work for runescape. (saying It WoRkS fOr FoRtNiTe" isnt evidence just fyi

ive already said this way of gaming does work for some but it wont for rs.
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Ancient Zest said:
With free to play games, it’s actually simpler than you think to make money off of freeloaders, and that may be the way most companies offer up games in the future.

Last week, the head of mobile developer Ngmoco Ben Cousins said that there would be a free to play equivalent of the $60 Skyrim within two years. While this timeline may be a bit overly ambitious, it certainly fits in the trend of many developers putting increasing resources into free-to-play games.

So how do free-to-play games make money exactly? Below I’ll lay out the obvious and slightly less obvious ways:

ADS

Many free to play games are powered by ad revenue. Recent mobile blockbusters like Draw Something and, to a lesser extent, Hero Academy monetize themselves through ads. Ads, however, aren’t usually enough to make the endeavor worthwhile which leads to…

MICRO-TRANSACTIONS

Game developers would rather players throw in a few dollars to buy things after they’ve started playing a game than to sell their eyeballs to advertisers. The micro-transaction model is so much more preferable, that many games (including the two I mentioned above) often offer to get rid of ads after a purchase of less than $3.

So how do micro-transactions work? Usually, a player can buy small things for low prices (often less than a dollar, rarely more than five), that enhance their play experience (such as more colours to draw with in Draw Something) or add cosmetically to their online avatar (profile pictures in Hero Academy).

On a recent podcast, Jeff Green, the editorial director for Pop Cap Games said that the company’s popular Bejewelled Blitz game now makes significantly more money now as a free game with micro-transactions than it did when it was a paid game without micro-transactions.


so you want all this crap to be in rs3

100% worse idea on forums now if you wish rs to go down this route. that will be death of rs3

terrible terrible idea
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30-Apr-2019 19:06:48 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2019 19:07:32 by Tenebri

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Kid Pepsi said:
@Tenebri , that's plenty of evidence ^, Ancient wrote a pretty detailed explanation


that still isnt evidence its explaining how ftp games work....

not how it would work on rs3. to be profitable to more than it is now.


its like saying i was abducted by an alien. i was probed. the neighbour also claimed it happned to them but didnt get probed. theres your evidence aliens exist....

come on you are better than that
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starts to kill Solak half way in a ad pops up you die


noooo


why do you want ads?


cant be taken seriously

i understand how ads work.... but you are wanting them back. which is why



all youve done is explain how ftp games work. now how it will bring in new players to the game ignoring everything ive said....

and you cant be serious no one is this stupid
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Ancient Zest said:
Draco Burnz said:
sTReTCh1028 said:


Just saying, but those "counts" are misleading as pre-2012 or w/e nearly 50% of the player count were bots not legit players.

Source?
even if that's true you'd have 50k players left? There's 20k now?
That's a 60% decline then. Not good when populations are suppose to increase.


you are now talking about the decline in players

not how your suggestion is going to increase it. just an assumption it will


pretty much saying

of course people are going to enjoy my cabbage and brussel sprout chili cake sprinkled with pigs eyes.

look at these stats. people are hungry!!!
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Kid Pepsi said:
Coming bro stop arguing! Decline of players is part of the topic.


no its not this is about making rs3 ftp. weve already established rs3 has less players than it use to.... so what

why does that mean rs3 should be ftp? or how does that effect rs3 being ftp?


oh fuck it doesnt make any difference in your argument. because we already knew that.
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Kid Pepsi said:
Bro chill out and drink a Pepsi, ftp would increase active players.


thats a cute assumption. do you have any graphs to back it up? like you wanted?

how many more players would they need to reach to make it viable economically. (better than with members) with ad revenue and everything else that was discussed earlier

do you have these numbers?

and do you have any numbers to clarify that jagex will reach this player base?


i only drink coke.
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Asteriod said:
I think one thing that puts new players off are the discontinued items. Rs make the wrong step last time,they could have make those party hats etc as cosmetics. Would have work the same way as cosmetics in LOL or fornite. They try to fix now with the new events but damage has been done.


It makes determined new players stay to get these elusive items.
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Kid Pepsi said:
^ that's plenty of facts, but probably not enough for Mr.200m exp he must know everything about econ since he stands in front of the GE all day.


Im rarely at ge? Stayinf there would be xp waste


But you are right. It answered 0 of the questions i asked. Just facts about ftp games. Interestinf read nonetheless.


But i see pepsi you dont have these numbers? So if you actaully were to pitch this to jagex theyd be thinking oh well this will be a huge risk. And not worth the risk


But i dont know why you care about changing my idea on the worse idea on forums. Its jagex you need to convince.
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Kid Pepsi said:
Tenebri said:
Kid Pepsi said:
^ that's plenty of facts, but probably not enough for Mr.200m exp he must know everything about econ since he stands in front of the GE all day.


Im rarely at ge? Stayinf there would be xp waste


But you are right. It answered 0 of the questions i asked. Just facts about ftp games. Interestinf read nonetheless.


But i see pepsi you dont have these numbers? So if you actaully were to pitch this to jagex theyd be thinking oh well this will be a huge risk. And not worth the risk


We spoke about active player counts from past to present, you are just selectively picking.
But if you don't think the game is dying then that's on you, and then when the RS3 servers go down you can say goodbye to your 200m skills.


And ive already stated active playee count holds nothing on why this should happen. All that is is showing decrease in players not ftp would be better. Thats why i asked the questions as they are the ones needed.

I even acknowledged this in previous post. You are now being incredibly dishonest by taking what i say out of context.

And ignoring actual helpful questions because you have no answer.

And yes i dismiss "your" arguments cause they hold next to no validity to the discussion. Same way if you were to talk about your prefered pizza toppings. Id dismiss that as evidence to make rs3 ftp

Ive even tried to give you a nudge in rigbt direction of saying what figures you need to be evidence.
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02-May-2019 18:57:47 - Last edited on 02-May-2019 19:06:43 by Tenebri

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Kid Pepsi said:
I'm sorry that you think that, but I believe your questions have been answered by Ancient Zest,


thats laughable

Kid Pepsi said:
half of your responses have been removed by the Mods so how am I supposed to understand your full concept .


the posts have been as they were responding to a troll. all that is left is on topic. its my fault i like to respond things directed to me even if they arent on topic

Kid Pepsi said:
A little off topic but here is the link for the current active player count divided quarterly in years, the yellow is RS3.

http://www.misplaceditems.com/rs_tools/graph/?display=max&interval=qtr_yr&total=1


again who cares. yes rs player base is declining. woopdy doo

now show how making rs3 is going to help this.... because this does nothing for your argument. as stated many times already

in his responses can you clarify how these questions were answered... instead of history of ftp games. as i think we were reading 2 different things.
Tenebri said:
do you have any graphs to back it up? like you wanted?

how many more players would they need to reach to make it viable economically. (better than with members) with ad revenue and everything else that was discussed earlier

do you have these numbers?

and do you have any numbers to clarify that jagex will reach this player base?
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... continued go back a page to read full

Kid Pepsi said:
But if you don't think the game is dying then that's on you



Tenebri said:
no its not this is about making rs3 ftp. weve already established rs3 has less players than it use to.... so what


^^this shows how you dont read what i say. as ive said the exact opposite. i acknowledges rs is in a decline. so why should i carry this conversation on? when you are just going to take what i said and make it what you want to hear. instead of an actual discussion to help your cause. which in trying to push by giving you the questions needed to be answered
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Kid Pepsi said:
I showed you numbers and then you said "who cares" , quite the intellectual you are. There's no point in showing numbers when you request and then turn around a say who cares, you're right you are laughable .


you gave me numbers of declining players..... that isnt the numbers im asking for is it treacle

so yes intellectual. when you dont understand simple question.


i gave numbers of declining players.... when asking for numbers of how ftp will increase them. and that it will be enough to make more money than they do now with members.

so no you havent give me the numbers

like talking to brick wall


­facepalm*

a little advice never open your own business. if you cant grasp "can you show me the numbers that jagex can get to the player bases needed"

"I gAvE nUmBeRs Of DeClInInG PlAyErS"

jesus
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Kid Pepsi said:
Numbers ? What numbers you just said Numbers, I can show you numbers you need to specify and pay attention to your own post.


Tenebri said:
how many more players would they need to reach to make it viable economically
. (better than with members) with ad revenue and everything else that was discussed earlier

do you have these numbers?


and do you have any numbers to clarify that jagex will reach this player base?


you need to ive quoted this 4 times now. it starts on page 19

these are 2 specifics ive asked for... and quoted
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Kid Pepsi said:
Tenebri said:
Kid Pepsi said:
Numbers ? What numbers you just said Numbers, I can show you numbers you need to specify and pay attention to your own post.


Tenebri said:
and do you have any numbers to clarify that jagex will reach this player base?


you need to ive quoted this 4 times now


You don't care about the fact of declining players, then I don't care about your opinion on your quotes.


when did i say i dont care about declining players????

im asking for something that will help your idea....


i think im just being trolled now. or you are an idiot im not too sure which

Tenebri said:
how many more players would they need to reach to make it viable economically. (better than with members) with ad revenue and everything else that was discussed earlier

do you have these numbers?

and do you have any numbers to clarify that jagex will reach this player base?


answer. they will help.....
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Kid Pepsi said:
Not trolling you


then answer
unless you are just saying you are an idiot


Tenebri said:
how many more players would they need to reach to make it viable economically. (better than with members) with ad revenue and everything else that was discussed earlier

do you have these numbers?

and do you have any numbers to clarify that jagex will reach this player base?
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holy shit you attempted to answer bravo *claps* finally. if only you did this 4 pages ago

so you dont have any clarifcation this would work only "FoRtNiTe Is FtP"

so as stated before this would be a huge gamble for jagex. just because fortnite is ftp

thank you for clarifying




good luck. everything i wanted to know has now been answered. to its fullest extent. and i stand by my first post of this thread and wish i left it at that.
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Vlumondoxa said:
Tenebri said:
holy shit you attempted to answer bravo *claps* finally. if only you did this 4 pages ago

so you dont have any clarifcation this would work only "FoRtNiTe Is FtP"

so as stated before this would be a huge gamble for jagex. just because fortnite is ftp

thank you for clarifying




good luck. everything i wanted to know has now been answered. to its fullest extent. and i stand by my first post of this thread and wish i left it at that.


Haha, this maked me smile.

No support for troll suggestions btw.


i like making people smile. im glad this did, the effort was worth it.
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Ancient Zest said:
It's laughable how little you know about FTP games success.


when have i said i dont know about ftp games success. ive said many times it works well

im asking for proof it will work for rs3....


its laughable you cant get understand this incredibly simple concept.

its like because im against the idea. you think i dont know it can be successful.....

Ancient Zest said:
I bet you can't belive it, a FTP game made 1 billion in 1 year.


i do believe it mtx is a huge source of income thats not at all a shock to me


again i have no idea why you think this of me.

just because i dont think a jar has 32 marbles in it. doesnt mean i think it has 40 marbles in.. this is your thinking. im against the idea because i dont understand ftp games... thats incredibly wrong.

and ive stated this many times before
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Kid Pepsi said:
Jamandy52 said:
Jagex just announced it's 4th year in a row of profitting. Last year was by 46.8m - this year a whopping 98m! I am pretty sure that what they are doing is working, and honestly, membership is the price of 3 cups of coffee. Freeplayers have plenty of options to play members for 'free' - as in earning the cash for bonds and never paying a dime. Your suggestion is merely a duplication of that system.


Hey man! :)
Could you post your sources?

Also I do want to add, I don't care how much money Jagex makes (probably cause OSRS is killing it brah )
I am more concerned about increasing player count on RS3, by at least an extra 100k active players or so.



https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-09-07-jagex-profit-and-revenue-spikes-in-another-record-year


if you think osrs is driving the company and not the mtx from rs3. how do you think it would survive being completely free??

that doesnt help the troll model youve created. as how is it going to sustain itself? it wont be able to

"dont care about jagex profits"

thats why this is troll thread confirmed
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Wouldnt it of been easier to post the link to gamasutras "the design of freetoplay games"

https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6552/the_design_of_freetoplay_games_.php?print=1


Instead of copying it all? But i guess post count is important these days. did you leave a few minutes on purpose between posts so it looked like you wrote it? doesnt take long to copy and paste. credit is due to Pascal Luban

But how does this article explain why jagex should go ftp for rs3. It doesnt again it just explains ftp games and development of them.

*disclaimer*

This isnt me saying ftp games dont make money or arent succesfull. Its me saying this holds nothing to why jagex should make this change

I add this disclaimer because you keep making up stuff abiut what i think. To distract from the conversation

but i will just reply to one thing (il cherry pick instead of responding completely off topic article)

it talks about short "daily" visits to the game which is a huge aspect in keeping players to these ftp games as they dont hold a lot of data etc. however with runescape jagex have stated they are going to be stopping daily scape... something ftp games thrive on
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Kid Pepsi said:
Remember I'm more focused on increasing player count, not increase Jagex paychecks


yes im fully aware.

and how do you think this work? or if they even care. why would they be like ohh we can have 100k players on rs3. but will have 50% less profit.

especially if then they have to close rs3 due to lack of profit. which then means 0 player count. which is why the past however many pages have been about. the economic side of how this would work.

because if it doesnt work then its 100% a no and will never happen. as profit is what keeps the game running. not the player count.

and as stated so far jagex have had increase of 17% profit from previous year. with the current membership model with mtx

Kid Pepsi said:
As a community , how can we increase player count? I mean I tried getting my friends into this game but they've either grown out of it or they plainly think "this game sucks".


this is personal opinion. i prefer grindy games like rs some prefer instant gratification games. but sure increasing player count is great. but if it is cracking a profit which it is infact growing from it increasing yearly now. with the link provided. if it becomes ftp the people who go "this game sucks" like your friends. guess what will still leave
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Kid Pepsi said:
but like 4 real tho, the RS3 community isn't growing


okay and ask we have been asking for 26 pages. how will this help the longevity of rs? or be sustainable

you have already stated you dont care for profit.... just the number of players which is a big flaw in the plan. as if the increase of pleyers doesnt sustain the now full free game. it will soon end up being a dead game with 0 players

you cant seem to get your head around that. which is why we have been talking profits.... for this to be reliable it has to make profit. and you said you dont care for it. so why should we care for this?
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Kid Pepsi said:
It's about the long run, more active players on RS3 the less likely for the RS3 servers to go down.


only if it makes profit but as shown bellow you dont understand that

Kid Pepsi said:
Also I do want to add, I don't care how much money Jagex makes (probably cause OSRS is killing it brah )




Kid Pepsi said:
After 26 pages you played politician and wouldn't answer a question that not even Jagex can fix. Go cry to a mod and manipulate them to delete post with financial facts and theories.


what? do you need a tin foil hat

Kid Pepsi said:
How will you increase active player count ?


oh i have no idea. word of mouth has gotten a few players. but im not the one making the claim that something will work. you asking this is distraction. nor is it helping why we should make rs3 ftp

its not a case of "ohhhh tenebri doesnt know" = we should make rs3 ftp

not at all so stop asking questions that hold no relevance. im here on this thread (about making rs3 ftp) as to show why its a bad idea. shame you cant understand that. shown by you asking this question


kind of like saying

this guy is guilty of x

some dude saying no he isnt. everyone going oh yeaah??? so who did it?

pointless question
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Neither do you cupcake. You fail to provide how this will work. Instead just say because i havent given an idea. what i say is invalid?? Thats very silly


Only reason you do this is because you know your idea fails for reasons listed previous pages. And just cant accept it.

so can you actually give reasoning to why you think this will save rs in the long term?

as it seems it will be 0 players and closed in no time
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Kid Pepsi said:
To increase active player count, making RS3 f2p or adding more F2P content.
I'm not saying you have a mental disability but this was explained to you that some CEO's had to take paycuts to ensure a stable game, first page and so on.

Nice and short for you, maybe you can understand it better with some metaphors like you've been doing.


so nintendos ceo took a paycut to help. good for them.

is this a discussion about pay cuts? or making rs3 ftp?

saying other gaming companys had made paycuts to help. holds nothing here. as jagex as a company is making huge profit. they dont need to take paycuts.... not relevant in the slightest

what you need to do is show how making rs3 ftp will actually help. but as you stated before you dont care for the profits. which is fundamental

mobile helped osrs get its playcount. rs3 is still waiting on that release. which is going to help a lot on its own
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Kid Pepsi said:
I mean I played this game for over 15 years where there would be noobs everywhere asking for help and free stuff, you log in to rs3 now there is nobody asking for free shit or help since there are no new players. This game is loosing so much popularity that not even in double exp weekend the active player count barely even spikes.


no one is asking for help now theres wiki and google that answers everything

yes population is low.... so what

the discussion is, will this work

we've established no, why? because rs will lose money in the long run. why do you struggle with understanding this
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Kid Pepsi said:
Man well it sounds like you guys are really banking on rs3 mobile to bring this game back, also I thought Jagex is doing better financially but the active rs3 player count doesn't increase, it's osrs that's the money cow not rs3. There are other ways to make money in games.


Mtx from rs3 is huuuuge amount of profit


And no im not counting on it at all. Im sayi g this wont work so why on earth would i want it if it will kill rs3 further
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Kid Pepsi said:
Tenebri said:
Kid Pepsi said:
Man well it sounds like you guys are really banking on rs3 mobile to bring this game back, also I thought Jagex is doing better financially but the active rs3 player count doesn't increase, it's osrs that's the money cow not rs3. There are other ways to make money in games.


Mtx from rs3 is huuuuge amount of profit


And no im not counting on it at all. Im sayi g this wont work so why on earth would i want it if it will kill rs3 further


So let's say RS3 is 100% free (not OSRS). So full year of mems is USD 99.99 and now you dont have to spend money on mebership, would you spend the extra 99.99 on MTX ?


Of course not
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Runelower said:
Tenebri said:
Runelower said:
In a strictly practical sense Jagex at this point doesn't need more money.


of course they do

more money = more employees = more content = better game / more content / higher quality content / better customer service etc etc etc


With all this money they have now RS3 is in the worst state I have ever seen. Where are weekly updates? It adds a sense of dynamism to the game a sense of ever moving forwards now its just stalescapeTM.


you are ignoring what im saying.

more money = better content. higher quality updates. so if thats what you want. then yes they need more money....

it amused me people who lack understanding on how games work on updates etc are the loudest to complain. infact it happens everywhere. the ones who complain about any industry or a company know little about how it works. which is why the expectations are too high and just get well like you...

as you said with alll the money jagex have now and this is what they give us. wouldnt it better if they have more money to do better???

surely that would be better no? or do you struggle to understand that also
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Kid Pepsi said:
Evil Meg said:
No support, a better idea is to remove OSRS.


it's like you're not even trying to help


actually if they were to remove osrs. even if 1% of the population then went to rs3 thats still an increase in population.

and isnt that your goal? to increase population. youve made it clear you dont care about if its long lasting and profit for jagex, you just look at the population of the game

imo making rs3 ftp. is on the same level as removing osrs. both are silly ideas.
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Kid Pepsi said:
Now you're just changing the topic from removing osrs ,


nope im saying they are same thing. im not asking for a discussion about it. im saying this fulfills what you are wanting at the same level

Kid Pepsi said:
I'm proposing this as a marketing idea,


have you not read the past 34 pages. its been shown to be a terrible marketing idea
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you seem to be going off topic / Argumentum ad Hominem fallacy / purposely derailing your thread with it. doesnt matter what you say as it holds no relevence to if this is a good idea or not

as stated its been shown already to not be a good idea. not a matter of personal opinion / experience in the matter. let go of this idea it wont happen

so are you able to counter what people have said? it doesnt matter what experience people have with marketing. if its been proven to not work then its been proven to not work. by people with little experience in marketing? that makes it even worse of an idea
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Aria Ventus said:
After watching this:


so i watched both videos start to finish.

what do they have to do with morality?(and more suited to what you said, about countering it with morality) believe you need to elaborate more instead of just posting 2 videos. that dont really help you.

first one is talking about how they interact with player base. and talking reasons why theres rs3 and osrs (due to the communities wants and needs) i would say thats good no? and why they dont have the same level of polls in rs3 and osrs. rs3 is their own creativity.

i really dont see how that answered my question of "how so morality?"

second video

it talks about memberships and how they do it. again not to do with morality its just general membership this is how it works. and now mtx and what it is they sell. went into what was selling and what wasnt. and how they sold things.... like any other business would need to do. (i do it for place i work)

and how they used mtx / loot boxes to get them playing. which is what they want as a gaming company people logging in. like a store ways to get people in.

just seems to be any company would have some form of this to you know make money.... and strategies to make more...


so yeah you need to follow up with how morality now that ive watched these videos. as i dont see how you can use morality to counter anything? especially with the help of these videos. as im kind of guessing how you can use morality to counter. and id rather not guess and waste my time if im wrong
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Kid Pepsi said:
From the month I started this post, the active player count is still decreasing
http://www.misplaceditems.com/rs_tools/graph/?display=avg&interval=month&total=1


so what. making it ftp as discussed already wont help the game in the long run. and will have lower player count than what it is this second.

members is the main source of income, removing that. you need to increase mtx. and mtx is the reason why people are leaving.

so doing this will just force people to leave
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Kid Pepsi said:
I'm sorry Tenebri , I did not understand the being 0 part
Tenebri said:
Kid Pepsi said:
From the month I started this post, the active player count is still decreasing
http://www.misplaceditems.com/rs_tools/graph/?display=avg&interval=month&total=1


so what. making it ftp as discussed already wont help the game in the long run. and will have lower player count than what it is this second.

members is the main source of income, removing that. you need to increase mtx. and mtx is the reason why people are leaving.


so doing this will just force people to leave


^^ there we go i removed that part. now you cant cherry pick a small unimportant part of my post. and can actually carry on the discussion. instead of purposely ignoring the fact this wont work. already explained ill highlight that part as you seem to ignore it always
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Tenebri said:
Kid Pepsi said:
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Tenebri said:
Kid Pepsi said:
Fing
http://www.misplaceditems.com/rs_tools/graph/?display=avg&interval=month&total=1



members is the main source of income, removing that. you need to increase mtx. and mtx is the reason why people are leaving.



so doing this will just force people to leave


^^


I was just asking a question
Oh ok, making the game f2p will help in the long run

im aware you were writing a question. but it was ignoring everything else the main part of my post. so instead of taking bait to distract from main post. i removed what you cherry picked.

no thats the complete opposite to what ive wrote....

you must be deliberately ignoring what im writing. this is now 2nd post youve tried to ignore it but still quoting my post....

members = main source of income for jagex
you want to remove their main source of income = bad
to remove it. youll need to replace it with mtx
mtx = bad people leave because theres too much of it
so increasing mtx = more people will leave

have i simplified it enough for you. or do you still struggle to see it?

Kid Pepsi said:
. Or something that can help you solidify your platform,


the fact majority of people hate mtx? when mtx came out a lot of people quit. so with you needing to increase mtx to cover membership prices. more people are going to get pissed off. and leave. as they are already pissed now with it.

that solid enough?
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