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cooke fletch

cooke fletch

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Before I get started, this is not a rant about pvmer or pkers or how much they get. The first will seem that way, but it is merely setting the stage. Please wait until you see all of it to judge.

For many years now, jagex has been pushing the narrative of risk vs reward. The problem isn't with the idea that people should be rewarded for risking but how much and what kind of rewards. For the majority of the game's history, getting something like a 100k drop was considered huge. Now people complain they didn't get 1 mil.

Here is an example. For years I killed mobs that dropped d chain and never saw one, until finally one day, killing dust devils one drop. At the time it was worth 3 mil and I thought I had hit the lottery.

When slayer first came out, d legs were new, but so many had dropped at that point that they were worth 2 mil. One of the problems with slayer is that you could get caught in a rut and there was no way out. At that point you could not change your assignment. A friend and I were planning on racing to 99, but he got in a rut of elves and I got caught in a rut of metal dragons. Obviously he advanced a lot faster since they were easier to kill, BUT also because I had to spend so much time killing monks for the herbs. Before they allowed you to change, I killed 2k metal dragons. ONE of them dropped a d leg and I thought it was great. It turned out to be only big drop. Hours of killing metal dragons and all I gained was exps and about 150 k, plus the one set of d legs.

Now pvmers are demanding they get millions of gps per hour. Power creep is not just in the size of your armor and weapons, but in the amount of gps you get.

continued.
Stop being a entitled snowflake. If you want something in game, earn it rather than demand it be given to you.

04-Aug-2019 15:15:23

cooke fletch

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The problem with this is that skilling outside of combat has not kept up. I am not saying that you should get as much money from pvm, because that has NEVER been the case. In rsc, you could kill blue dragons and get 1k per bone and hide, a lot of money back then. Anyone with good skills could kill one in about a minute or less, including respawn time. This meant that even a moderate level combat could get 120k per hour. As a comparison, you needed 75 wc to do mage logs, which at the time would get you about 60 to 70k per hour.

So pvm has always been a better money maker than skilling, but it has never been unbalanced as much as it is now. There are many things that should be done to address the imbalance, but for the most part it COULD be ignored except for the practice of giving pvmers resources that should be from skilling.

Many pvmers have complained over the year about having to either do skills they did not want to do, or having to pay skillers for their resources, such as sharks. A number of years ago, jagex started dumping sharks and such on wyrens and such. Skillers complained even then that this was messing up the economy. It drove their prices down.

Last year when revs came out, the cry of "spite" when it wasn't a spite vote led to huge resources being dumped. The result of this was a glut on the market of such extent that the revs reward per hour dropped from 2 mil gp to 1 mil and pvmers and pkers complained. Jagex adjusted the drops a little, but between the raids, bosses and revs, the resources hitting the game is causing the value of the drops to lose value. The more they put resources on combat, the more it kills the prices and the value of the drops.

At the same time, many skillers used those same resources to pay for bonds. Many have left the game since they cant afford bonds. This exit will continue.
Stop being a entitled snowflake. If you want something in game, earn it rather than demand it be given to you.

04-Aug-2019 15:15:48 - Last edited on 04-Aug-2019 15:25:56 by cooke fletch

cooke fletch

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The result of this is that the economy is having serious problems.

The result of the economy woes is that many people can no longer afford to buy bonds and those that can are spending so much time earning their bonds it feels more like work than play.

People say that if you don't want to do this, then you should stop playing the game the way you want and play the way they want, i.e. instead of being a hard core skillers, quester and such you should ignore 90% of the game and be pvmers like them.

For over a decade, jagex pushed the idea that you should play the game ANY way you chose to. Now they are pushing the idea that if you want to play, you have to play a very narrow range of play.

That is the problem with the dropping of resources on monsters. It removes the incentive THEN makes it harder to do anything else. You should have the ability to choose how you play the game, not be forced to play what others enjoy.

Games are meant to be fun and each person defines what they see fun. Many people see pking as boring, while others cant see anything in the game as fun. Some people do not combat and others don't want to do anything else. Its all about choice or it should be.

By giving all the resources in such huge amount, it removes the ability to play the game different. It makes so much of the game dead content because people do not have time to do them.
Stop being a entitled snowflake. If you want something in game, earn it rather than demand it be given to you.

04-Aug-2019 15:15:58 - Last edited on 04-Aug-2019 15:32:49 by cooke fletch

cooke fletch

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Keep this discussion clean please, but discuss it. If you don't think others should play different than you, explain why. Why should people be forced to do something they do not find fun, just because you do?

Or do you think, like me, that they should replace drops with gps so that others can have fun fulfilling the need for resources.
Stop being a entitled snowflake. If you want something in game, earn it rather than demand it be given to you.

04-Aug-2019 15:16:06 - Last edited on 04-Aug-2019 15:34:57 by cooke fletch

cooke fletch

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Go ahead now and post. Please don't try to claim that only a tiny percentage of people deserve to be able to have fun as no one is going to believe that. Please do not say that you don't have fun doing something so that no one should. Please do not insult those that do by calling them names, such as brain dead, bots, gold farmers, or things of that nature. Stop being a entitled snowflake. If you want something in game, earn it rather than demand it be given to you.

04-Aug-2019 15:37:00

Secret Max

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cooke fletch said:
Go ahead now and post. Please don't try to claim that only a tiny percentage of people deserve to be able to have fun as no one is going to believe that. Please do not say that you don't have fun doing something so that no one should. Please do not insult those that do by calling them names, such as brain dead, bots, gold farmers, or things of that nature.
They cater to the majority (pvmers) so therefor they get priority. Sorry sucks to suck.

04-Aug-2019 15:38:11

weston btw

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I'll finish reading this later. It sounds professional for once rather than blindly flaming others. I would much rather anyone PK in game than do so irl. If you wanna get it out, do it on an online platform please. I don't want anyone getting harmed physically. :(

04-Aug-2019 15:47:55

cooke fletch

cooke fletch

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Secret Max said:
They cater to the majority (pvmers) so therefor they get priority. Sorry sucks to suck.
They can choose to prioritize them and not destroy another group.

As far as it goes, you do not know that you are the majority because the only poll (a very old one) only gave three choices, a non combat skiller pure, a pvmer or pker. If you were not a pure, you were counted as a pvmer. That meant that people that like to do pvm and mining and other skill was counted as a pvmer.

That means this is harming that group too.

weston btw said:
I'll finish reading this later. It sounds professional for once rather than blindly flaming others.

Thanks. I tried to keep emotions out of it. When I wrote the first one, I was angry. Now I am not. Pker and pvmers are not at fault. They should not be blamed. Skiller pures are not at fault for not supporting pvp armor, so they should not be blamed for it.

Blaming people only leads to anger and lashing back. I just want people to see the harm that this practice of dumping resources is doing to the game.

People that choose to risk should be rewarded for that. Monsters that are dangerous and hard to kill, should reward people for it, but it should not do so at the expense of other players.
Stop being a entitled snowflake. If you want something in game, earn it rather than demand it be given to you.

04-Aug-2019 15:55:10 - Last edited on 04-Aug-2019 15:59:23 by cooke fletch

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