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B Boy660
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B Boy660

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I started using a VPN due to the fact I am currently working in a area geographically where I don't trust the ISP. My account got banned for botting I guess even though I was just doing some normal training. I then tried to recover my old account(this one b boy660) and was able to for the first time after trying about five times previously. I just want to make sure it is ok to use a VPN before I get this account banned as well.

13-Feb-2019 07:19:09

Moneybucks
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Don't.
While it's not against the rules, it is one of the things that the antibot software treats as a red flag. I'd assume all our friends from Chinese sweatshops are using them to hide their location.

I sympathise with not trusting your ISP, but I believe the game's traffic is encrypted, if memory serves, so if that's all you do, then at least you're not exposing much. You can always flick the VPN back on afterwards.

I'd appeal your VPN ban if you really weren't using a bot - you're not the first person I've seen complaining about such a thing. Post in Account Help, though, not here.
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13-Feb-2019 10:16:42

Vandinite
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Vandinite

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Your IP isn't used to detect botting. Botting is detecting by the botting detection implemented into Runescape's servers directly. Your IP whether original IP or not is always given, but the only thing that it has been known to be used for via rule breaking in the past was for IP bans. With IP bans, you would no longer be able to play Runescape on the IP you were originally playing on. That is no longer effective. If Runescape was concerned with butters using a separate IP, it wouldn't matter, there's a broad spectrum of VPN servers that host thousands of IP's. This is why while I'm sure Runescape goes ahead and IP bans for the users detected by their botting detection system, it is not done solely for rule breaking. Any in any case...the account would be banned for botting, unless they somehow got a temporary ban. Not locked. So that argument is not valid.

When your account is LOCKED due to a varying IP address, as stated on forums, and AS STATED WHEN YOU GET THE PROMPT WHEN ATTEMPTING TO LOGIN- your account has been locked due to suspicious activity, this means that your account has been presumed to have been compromised. This is what their changing IP detection is deticated to.

Let's look at complication instances such as mine, user(s) uses VPN, millions of people use VPN, user(s) gets account locked because their IP changed from original to placement IP, they cannot appeal the lock because they lost documentation that contained their E-mail and account dates and other very specific information, but they payed for membership, and they did not break rules, rules which were set up by Jagex officially to define as reasons to retract an account, now this was a lock and not a retraction, but they still cannot appeal the lock itself so it essentially was. Now they payed for a service and can no longer use it because they cannot appeal the lock. But Jagex will not refund them because they have a no refund policy for any membership used at all. Even for this.
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11-Aug-2019 05:25:56 - Last edited on 11-Aug-2019 05:37:37 by Vandinite

Vandinite
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That is theft. Jagex should not, you would IMAGINE they can't do this. I am unable to get my refund. And you could assume they would think they would be refunding the assumed hacker, even though there is none in this apparently big issue so many instances, but they would simply refund via the original payment used on the account. So they KNOW it was the original owner they are refunding after the owner tells them they can not appeal and use the service they payed for. That's what you'd imagine they would do in the FIRST PLACE if they thought the owner's account was compromised - refund them, and in this case which is a very big issue, there is no problem. It was jagex's fault for their system detecting a false variable. At least a false variable in the sense that there was no hacker as it was insinuating, not that the IP changed. And a lot of people aren't even going to be able to appeal. You would imagine they'd at least refund for that since they broke no rules and was wrongly effected.

Now you should understand why, although at face value your concern seems valid, on paper it is not and I am almost certain there are legal oversights in this and I'll be searching for it. Either way, they should be terribly shamed for this and have a lot more conversy about it.

Edits to make on the first comment that were restricted due to character limit; botting is detected by their servers directly via their botting detection system, which detects botting through in-game variables like movement and other player behavior that expresses scripts being used - and in a very efficient way for RS3's case, IP bans as ineffective as it is now would barely be their concern even if people wouldn't just use another out of thousands of IP'S on a new account. Though again I'm sure they do still take that extra effort and IP ban them. Just that it isn't IP detection is solely used for, nor mainly at all, IP bans are such a small aspect comparative to compromised account detection
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11-Aug-2019 05:29:01 - Last edited on 11-Aug-2019 05:41:51 by Vandinite

Vandinite
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Why have to argue against something so obviously wrong. They did nothing wrong. Yet they lost what service they paid actual money for. Rules are set as an official statement by jagex for guidelines to follow, and as a list which runescape defines as things they can retract your account for, stating in terms and conditions that they can retract your account for these reasons. And while it isn't a full retraction of account, the player can still no longer access what they paid for so in latent or even obvious sense, it is retracted if they can't appeal. Yet there was no hacker either. This is theft. Or at least, Runescape is very fraudulent and people should stop playing it, ESPECIALLY if they have a VPN and use automatic activation such as NordVpn's feature to activate VPN immediately after posting your PC and going to windows. This is quite necessary for many things and clearly people are going to forget to turn it off. VPN'S help protect you from Wi-Fi spoofing, honeypot attacks, firesheep, data collection, and an assortment of other things, immediately activating it when connected to your internet and having a killswitch is very beneficial and many are using it. Millions use VPN.

And finally, you just can't victim blame and make sense. There's just no credibility to it. You're simply attempting to bend a situation to benefit the entity harming or doing something bad to the person's, etc. And that just doesn't make sense. The only one to blame was Jagex for falsely detecting something, and people have been seen to not be able to recover their accounts. It is a form of theft. They should state using a VPN is against the rules if you and they think otherwise. Simple. :)

(IP detection is also dedicated to account sharing)
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11-Aug-2019 05:57:52 - Last edited on 11-Aug-2019 06:17:58 by Vandinite

Moneybucks
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Did you just gravebump a dead thread to try and start an argument over semantics? OP is long gone, so I assume so.
I was being polite in my response to your other thread, because I recognised you were just upset and needed to be directed to where you can best get help for your issue, but you've had that from multiple people now, so clearly you're just an idiot.

I have little patience for sophistry these days because it doesn't impress me, so to put it in plain facts for you and anyone else who might find this thread in the future before it ages out - use of VPNs can, and sometimes does, result in your access to your account being lost, either temporarily or permanently. As might have happened to OP if they had opted to go ahead and use a VPN, and as did happen to you, for actually using one. It doesn't matter if it should happen or if it's reasonable - the fact is that it does, and that's all that matters at the end of the day.

It's simply not a good idea to use one. It doesn't become a problem for everyone, but it does happen to some people. And if it does happen to someone, sometimes there's not a damn thing that they can do about it, except spam the Tech Support board, apparently.
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11-Aug-2019 10:05:35 - Last edited on 11-Aug-2019 10:26:51 by Moneybucks

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