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Waan
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Waan

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Hey, tomorrow morning i am going to the store to pick up:
Lenovo ideapad L340 15 - Black


CPU
Intel Core i5-9300H Processor (2.40GHz 8MB)
OS
Windows 10 Home 64 ( off course i will install and run GNU/Linux Arch)
Screen
15,6"FHD AntiGlare 1920x1080
Memory
8.0GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SODIMM 2400MHz
Hard disk
120GB SSD PCIe
AC Adapter
135W
Graphical Unit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX1050 3GB GDDR5
Battery
3 Cell Li-Polymer
Touchpad
ClickPad
WLAN
Intel Wireless-AC 9462 1x1 AC + BT5.0


Any thoughts on how it would handle the runescape-launcher-2.2.4 in terms of graphics?
Would i be able to put on shadows, and maybe even ultra lightning?
Does anyone know how good the hardware (the wireless chip can be a P.I.T.A) is supported?

Oh boy i can't wait until tomorrow ! :D

07-Aug-2019 20:18:27

Hmm
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Hmm

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Good god I cannot express the misery NVidia Optimus Laptops were around 2012.

I don't think it's as bad as it used to be, but you lose the benefit of the laptop using the Intel or NVidia driver at its discretion. I think the situation is currently you can either use only the Intel GPU, only the NVidia gpu (having to reboot to swap), or use something like Bumblebee to enable you to manually use the NVidia gpu with specific apps thanks to some dodgy X11 hackery.

The wifi looks fine though!

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/bumblebee#Bumblebee:_Optimus_for_Linux

07-Aug-2019 20:51:52

Waan
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Waan

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Hey thanks, for the reminder Hmm, that it is NVIDIA Optimus.

I never owned such nvidia device, but i seen people struggling in the past years with setting up.
Personally my preferred choice is the nvidia proprietary driver, because it seems to have significant more performance power then the open source nvidia drivers.

So i hope i can just disable the intel gpu in the bios, and only use the nvidia gpu.
If disabling the intel gpu is not possible i will look into setting up bumblebee.

One more thing regarding screen tearing: when reading the Arch Wiki regarding Optimus and screen tearing, it looks a bit trouble some to fix, but i wonder, would using KDE PLASMA with Wayland (and not Xorg) eliminate the screen tearing issue? Because i never experienced screen tearing on Wayland.

I will still buy the device tomorrow morning, and hope all goes o.k..

07-Aug-2019 22:07:25

Waan
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Waan

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reading further down the Arch Wiki:

Note: You might want to use nvidia-xrun or PRIME instead, because Bumblebee not only has significant performance issues[1][2], but also has no plans to support Vulkan[3].

Meh :/

07-Aug-2019 22:11:39

Hmm
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Hmm

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Wayland does eliminate screen tearing, however, Wayland + KDE + NVidia proprietary has only been a thing as of the last few months, and I'm not sure if it's upstreamed and available for general use only. This is because NVidia doesn't support the standard GBM protocol and instead uses EGLStreams which is NVidia specific, so supporting NVidia gpu's takes a desktrop environment on Wayland specific extra work.

Generally, I've never had screentearing on NVidia + X11 though, a compositor which is default in most DE's should be enough to prevent it if the GPU drivers aren't horrendous. Arch wiki says the NVidia proprietary + KDE fix is in Plasma 5.16+, but whether this is upstream default or an Arch exclusive fix idk.

I'll admit, Bumblebee may be older tech because I haven't had an Optimus laptop in years, but from what I recall, it is perfectly possible to use ONLY the NVidia card, at the cost of battery life but achieving full performance.

Generally though, there's a reason "NVidia, fuck you" is a thing Linus himself said.

07-Aug-2019 22:53:10 - Last edited on 07-Aug-2019 22:54:03 by Hmm

Waan
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Waan

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What do you think Hmm, should i buy this laptop tomorrow morning, or wait?
Because the whole "older tech" on nvidia optimus, is kinda worrying me.

All i will do with the Lenovo is play RuneScape, no other games, so when following this handbook: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nvidia-xrun

Will starting Arch Xorg XFCE4 with Nvidia-xrun be able to play runescape-launcher-2.2.4 with the NVIDIA GPU only?

[Edit] I will not post reddit links here, but after reading on reddit about nvidia-xrun, it seems you can play steam games in a separate TTY with another DE, personally i am looking for i3.

So runescape-launcher-2.2.4 will probably make use of the nvidia GPU.. it is still scary to buy the new laptop.

07-Aug-2019 23:10:19 - Last edited on 07-Aug-2019 23:19:50 by Waan

Hmm
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Hmm

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The laptop should run RuneScape fine, the concern isn't a compatability one as much it is a battery life one if you can't get a setup that uses the NVidia card only when it's required, I'd go ahead with it frankly, a mobile 1050m can run a lot of games absolutely fine, GTAV, Sekiro, RuneScape, whatever, honestly you can just youtube the gpu + game and see what FPS they tend to get. In any case, a friend bought an I5 8th gen + 1050 the other month and has no issues with anything thrown at it by laptop standards, Linux shouldn't change that, just be aware that if you have graphics related issues, the NVidia card in an Optimus setup is a particular big thing to be aware of when you're looking for troubleshooting help.

Worst case scenario, you just have the NVidia GPU as the main GPU. Absolute worst case scenario, you'll be able to reinstall Windows free since the license will be in the motherboard.

08-Aug-2019 04:59:14 - Last edited on 08-Aug-2019 05:04:12 by Hmm

Waan
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Waan

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i picked up the Lenovo Ideapad L340 Gaming laptop this morning, right now i am wiping the disk and after that is done i will install arch, and runescape-launcher-2.2.4

I will report back how everything went :)

08-Aug-2019 12:04:42

Waan
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Waan

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Hmm, is right, nvidia optimus can be pain to get working.
Actually took me 13 hours without breaks to get the dedicated nvidia gpu working, but i just got it working. Also no screen tearing, so i am going to finish my system, and then .... RuneScape !

08-Aug-2019 22:57:26

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