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Bird Inc
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Bird Inc

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Hello,

In 2016, I was scammed for a bandos chestplate (BCP - worth about 35mil at the time). The scammers had tricked me into accepting the second trade window too fast after withdrawing their offer, and I fell for it. As such, I lost my most expensive item.

That lesson is a far too common one - anyone can be the victim of a scam. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Looking back, I've made my peace with it, although I'm almost certain this situation would have been avoided if there was a delay in the second trade screen.

HCIM, btw. This situation won't happen to me again, but I think about it from time to time.

Here's what I suggest.

There's no need for a complete overhaul of the trade system. However, I would like to address the second trade screen mechanics.

Currently, the second screen serves as a confirmation screen, and in theory, it should prevent people from "double clicking" on the accept button and making a bad trade (or getting scammed). However, through specifics I will not disclose, it is still possible to get scammed. I propose that a timer be added to the second screen, which would delay the availability of the final "accept" button by a few seconds. As such, after clicking the first "accept" button on the first screen, the player would be faced with the same second screen, but with a disabled button that remains disabled for a few seconds. After this time has elapsed, the button is enabled, and can be clicked. This will force both parties to actually look at the final trade terms (and to notice whether that cash stack is green or white), and to cancel the transaction should there be an issue with it.

Constructive criticism is welcome, I would like to hear your opinions on the matter.

See next reply for more info.
NBSCETT
New Brunswick Society Of Certified Engineering Technicians And Technologists
Construction Management Engineering Technology Student

19-Jul-2019 17:08:32

Bird Inc
Apr Member 2019

Bird Inc

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What does that mean for day-to-day trade?

The grand exchange is not impacted, as the second screen is only a player-to-player mechanic.

Regular trades aren't meant to be processed at the speed of light, so there shouldn't be a notable difference for honest players doing regular transactions.

For the sake of argument, if this delay is as much (or as little) as 3 seconds, most trades are done within the grand exchange, so players would not be negatively affected and no time would be wasted. Furthermore, most players do look at the second screen before accepting, so this would be more advantageous for players in vulnerable positions that are being duped by players with bad intentions.


Overall, this added/improved mechanic would benefit all players, as it would deter scammers from employing this specific method, and would also protect honest players doing honest transactions.

Post scriptum & addressed feedback:
Q:
There are already flashing red exclamation marks if stuff gets removed, in both windows. A small delay of perhaps two seconds should be enough to draw attention to this stuff.

Still, some people are still not going to notice for some reason, so while it would prevent more scams, it's not going to prevent them all.

A:
Yes, and as mentioned, it would undoubtedly prevent some scams, which to me is a good enough reason to implement this security feature.

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Q:
I've never been scammed, so I don't know what to think about this.

A:
If you've never been scammed, would adding a trade delay in the second window affect you at all? Personally, I don't think so, but I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on that too. In other words, the greater good prevails.
NBSCETT
New Brunswick Society Of Certified Engineering Technicians And Technologists
Construction Management Engineering Technology Student

19-Jul-2019 17:08:46 - Last edited on 21-Jul-2019 03:11:57 by Bird Inc

Bird Inc
Apr Member 2019

Bird Inc

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Q:
A delay may have a negative impact when bossing, especially when the respawn rate is very short (i.e. kbd).

A:
Yes, that is true, and it is something we may have to work around. For instance, reducing the delay to 1 second or less while bossing. The most important part is that delays should be present across all the safe Runescape Surface zones.

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Supporters, please voice your concern about this issue. As a matter of fact, many of us have fallen pray to scams related to the lack of this mechanic.
NBSCETT
New Brunswick Society Of Certified Engineering Technicians And Technologists
Construction Management Engineering Technology Student

20-Jul-2019 03:13:01 - Last edited on 21-Jul-2019 03:10:27 by Bird Inc

Kings Abbot

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There are already flashing red exclamation marks if stuff gets removed, in both windows. A small delay of perhaps two seconds should be enough to draw attention to this stuff.

Still, some people are still not going to notice for some reason, so while it would prevent more scams, it's not going to prevent them all. Some people are just that stupid.
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20-Jul-2019 10:34:28

Bird Inc
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Kings Abbot said:
There are already flashing red exclamation marks if stuff gets removed, in both windows. A small delay of perhaps two seconds should be enough to draw attention to this stuff.

Still, some people are still not going to notice for some reason, so while it would prevent more scams, it's not going to prevent them all. Some people are just that stupid.


1. Yes, there are exclamation marks. However, without delay, I was still tricked into accepting the second screen even before I could see them.

2. As you say, even two seconds should be enough to draw attention to the changes and protect players.

Thanks for your feedback! (Thread updated)
NBSCETT
New Brunswick Society Of Certified Engineering Technicians And Technologists
Construction Management Engineering Technology Student

21-Jul-2019 02:18:06

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