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Or in the game at all for that matter.

So by now most people have heard the terrible new plan to award free boss kills on treasure hunter.

Call me old-fashioned but I have a pretty simple concept of how boss kills and loot should be awarded. You fight the boss. You don't throw an instakill at the boss, you fight it.
These darts devalue the existence of every boss they work on as well as the efforts of people who fight them. If you want to award their loot for free may as well just delete the boss.

Here are 8 reasons why DTDs should not be on Treasure Hunter.

1. Telos. This boss has, or is supposed to have, a punishing high-risk high-reward mechanic called streaking. The power of DTDs and life refreshers on Telos streaks has been noted by Jagex so I won't go too much into this. However, no changes have been made yet.

2. Every other boss they work on. If they aren't being thrown at Telos they will be thrown at the next most profitable bosses they can be: Nex and KK. Every September when 240k DTDs are added the prices of their items are nuked and they haven't really recovered from the first time this happened. This punishes players who actually kill these bosses for no good reason. That's not how Nex armour and Drygores are supposed to be rewarded.

3. Boss pets. Intended as a symbol of something you've earned these should not drop from darts. Skilling pets don't drop from XP lamps, proteans and aren't affects by bonus exp so a precedent exists for this.

4. There are better things to put on TH without devaluing PvM. A single kill at Nex - the 2nd best use of darts after saving Telos streaks - is worth ~1.7m (this number is outdated but not that far off). May as well just put 2m coins instead of ruining PvM.

5. Doesn't matter how rare they are, one is too many. Jagex are using how "rare" they will be as a reason to put them on. It isn't and by scale of players quite a lot will enter the game anyway even as purple prizes.
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06-Feb-2019 08:14:38 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2019 08:39:36 by Nex is Life

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6. DTDs already have several sources. No that isn't a reason to justify another, that is a reason to tone down those sources. Merchant at least has limited stock and costs 5m, it shouldn't exist and most of the stock is OP but at least there is a limit and cost here.
Raffle needs to be looked at and nuked - 240,000 Darts every September for free jfc.

7. TH already sells life refreshes with BXP which make PvM stupidly easier and reduce the risk it is supposed to have. Doesn't also need free boss kills whch make as much sense as instaquest darts you throw at the quest start point instead of doing the quest.

8. The most important for last. RuneScape is a goal based game. Giving away everything for free makes people run out of things to do and quit.


Feel free to add more.
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06-Feb-2019 08:15:32 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2019 08:16:55 by Nex is Life

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Blackwing said:
You made quite extensive points already, so I don't have anything to add that I can remember at least, but you should remove the 4th point: whether you add the darts or another gp prize to TH, they both contribute to ruining the game, just on different ways (darts devalue boss drops while gp prizes fuel inflation).

Other than that, support for removing the darts altogether from the game; they're too overpowered for the balance of the game.
Hmm I do agree, but I do not believe coins represent an achievement in the way that exp or boss kills do so I would rather see coins. That said Jagex can sell coins with tradable membership (bonds) already without directly adding them and causing inflation.

I am making a case against darts rather than TH as a whole so it's not a battle I want to fight. I do however want to express that 1 dart for 1 person isn't worth much anyway, but the scale of tens of thousands of players with a couple of darts is extremely damaging to the integrity of the game and to people who want to legitimately PvM.
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06-Feb-2019 08:48:34

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yggdrsil said:
(also makes it so skillers can beat bosses without the long task of recoiling them and praying to hit 1 dmg so not to get combat xp) is fair it is not as op as the movran enhancers on hcim which literally give them a free extra life if something happens while doing a movran boss
Hmm thanks for the ideas.

I could add a point about DTDs being overpowered for HCIM but it would make this more about the darts themselves (which is a worthy topic certainly) since HCIM can't use th. My goal here is to limit the sources of them, discourage gambling and oppose P2W.

About level 3 skillers, yes you are right, it does devalue them since it allows them to cheat. However since the restriction is the player's choice I won't make a point about that.
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07-Feb-2019 16:43:43

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Draco Burnz said:
No support for touching them in any way.

Dont like them dont use them.
Sounds like you just want free stuff. Stop being lazy and but a little effort in the boss if you want it's loot.

Even if I don't use them I am negatively affected by others using them as my loot goes down in value as more is added into the game from these free kills.
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07-Feb-2019 16:45:38

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Draco Burnz said:
How do i want free stuff and how does me wanting this mean i dont boss?

Thats some sound logic right there. /s

Sounds to me you want to limit how ppl can have "fun".
You want free stuff because thats what darts give. I didn't say you don't boss, I said you're lazy if you want loot for throwing an instakill dart at them.

Darts aren't fun - they anti-fun, avoid any engagement with mechanics and remove any sense of achievement. Draco Burnz said:
How in zaros' name is lvl 3 using dtd "cheating"?:@
Level 3 skillers aren't supposed to kill stuff by attacking, this devalues my level 3 skiller ultimate hardcore ironman wildy only dance dance revolution input only 9hp btw pure.
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08-Feb-2019 09:09:32

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Dilbert2001 said:
Way to late to cry over Deathtouched Darts being too OP.
Not wrong, but then a lot of the other sources were one time events (such as last Halloween) or in the case of raffle, etc it wasn't clear whether it would be recurring.
Merchant came along and although the darts are no less OP and boss kills shouldnt just be bought for GP it isn't as bad, the timegate limits how many can be obtained and the 5m cost reduces the devaluing of boss loot - they are a flat loss at Nex, KK, anywhere but saving Telos streaks.

However I do not think it is too late to complain, Jagex have said they will be discussing DTDs and life refreshers' use at Telos and with the input of the community it is possible, even likely darts will no longer work on Telos. Dilbert2001 said:
They did not cry loud years ago when DTD were first added because they were not MTX, now that Jagex got smart and added them to TH then all of a sudden more people found them to be a problem.
Actually a lot of people have had a problem with them for years. Yes, introducing them via MTX gambling makes it worse. Dilbert2001 said:
Realistically, DTD have been an integral part of Jagex's gameplay through the past few years. No point to remove them now because the players asked for them years ago to begin with.
Nope, getting free kills for doing nothing is certainly not an "integral part of Jagex's gameplay". They are free shit. And free shit reduces the amount of gameplay as players no longer have to sink time in to their goals.

People asking for things isn't a reason for them to be in the game. Just take one look at "Game Content Suggestions" :D
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09-Feb-2019 23:35:34

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Dilbert2001 said:
What nobody asked? Let's see just a few:

I am not even including the ones where questors asked for DTD to be able to kill Drakan and Graador in The Mighty Fall.
Those are all after DTDs were released, not people asking for them to begin with.
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09-Feb-2019 23:39:17

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Dilbert2001 said:
DTD benefit questors and skillers way way way more than bossers. Semi-decent bossers mostly don't need DTD at all. I picked other prizes over DTD at Raffles all the time.

Again, questors who are lesser PvMers have been asking for quests without boss fights but as I mentioned, it is very hard and wired for a traditional RPG like Runescape to have quests without any boss fight, so DTD is the missing link between the lesser PvMer and average PvMer questors. You can tell from all the posts regarding the best practical usage of DTD is throwing them at quest bosses, and Jagex's answer to questors of different combat skills.

I guess some twisting may be done to DTD but removing them is not likely. Limiting the usage of DTD on Telos may be a possibility but I doubt if removing them outright or making them useless against quest bosses and achievements won't bring back a lot of complaints from questors and skillers.
Let them complain. Fighting the big bad guy is often a big part of a storylines in RS.

Either way, if DTDs were supposed to be a quest boss skip (which I don't doubt) it they should never have worked on standard bosses, and it is never too late to change that.
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10-Feb-2019 12:00:15

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06-Mar-2019 02:36:16

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Dilbert2001 said:
We can get 4 deatouched darts absolutely free from Postie Pete this month. They are so easy to get from various sources so it is hardly an issue if they are on TH or not.
I mean you're not wrong

Parcels only give a limited quantity however, while TH does not run out.
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06-Mar-2019 15:29:40

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