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Krystlsinger

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And when they bring out a quest which has puzzles that you can't get help with, has no guides to help out, and people who don't like puzzles come on here and scream about it (as they have done so many times), will all the boss-killing players on here be 'it's fine, quests are supposed to have hard puzzles that you have to use your brains to figure out with no help'?

I love quests and hate bossing, why should I have to do it EDs just to satisfy some sort of weird Jagex desire to make everyone boss?

I'm a solo player, I only play as part of a team when I have to and those times have been minor up to now. I have 200m dungeoneering entirely solo apart from the achievements where you have to play as a team. So, if EDs are easier played in a team, why are Jagex forcing me to do that when I don't want to?

There's a difference between bosses who come along as part of a quest and bossing that is separate and suddenly becomes a quest requirement.

I realise that most people commenting on here will have no sympathy and, until something happens re: questing that you absolutely hate and know that there is no reason for, you won't appreciate my point of view - few people have any empathy for others unless they have experienced it themselves But my type of play has just as much validity as bossing players and trying to force me into a different type of play is just ridiculous in a game that prides itself on being amenable to all types of player.

Krystl

26-Feb-2019 17:58:59

Krystlsinger

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A Vitalis said:
Krystlsinger said:
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I hate questing, and yet I needed to do it to unlock Curses, Seren Spells, access to GWD1/Nex, Max Guild, etc., all of which are relevant (or sometimes necessary) for efficient PvM. If that's not an issue (and it isn't), why is it an issue that people who hate PvM but love questing occasionally have to do a little bit of PvM in order to progress with their quests?


I don't like quest bosses but they are part of the quest, EDs aren't part of a quest, they've been forced into a quest and it's completely different.

And you haven't 'had to' unlock any of those things you've mentioned in order to PvM, you've done them to make it easier for you.

On they other hand, I now HAVE to complete EDs, which I would never have done, in order to regain my quest cape. That's a ridiculous position to be in.

Let's put it like this, another player could not have any of those things you mentioned and could still boss. So you can boss without any requirements other than being the required combat level but I have to beat high level non-quest bosses in order to complete quests? I can't complete all quests without bossing - is that fair?

I don't know why I asked that question, I've had these types of discussion with players who boss before and there is never any empathy for anyone with a different playing style, it's always 'just suck it up'!


It would be nice for once if PvMers had a little sympathy with those of us who simply hate bossing, find it too stressful, and would still like to quest. But Jagex developers seem to be PvMers to a man so I expect that they will be completely unsympathetic just like the PvM players.


Krystl

26-Feb-2019 18:28:52

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Jewelmule said:
I want to retain my quest cape but doing ED1 & ED2 in story mode was painfully long and uses a ton of gear for no reward.

(p.s. Is it just me that found it wasn't clear when the dungeon was done? All the monsters just disappeared but it isn't clear if it is over or you should be looking for another room/location).

So far I can't even beat the first mini-boss in the regular mode of ED3. What is the deal with turning questing into boss-scape? And what is fun about near 1-hit insta death mechanics? (especially when the animations don't always go in sync making it near impossible to avoid).

It isn't even like the typical end of quest boss fight - this is a lot of forced combat. It feels like it should be part of a separate achievement or comp cape, not the quest cape.


This, but it seems that there are no Jagex Mods with any thought for players who don't boss. If they can't persuade us to boss, they are going to make us by taking our quest cape away from us.

Maybe they are desperate to make players boss because they are losing so many? I don't know what the issue is, I just know that this is stressing me out.


And, anyone who feels like commenting that we can all just not do the quest, yes, we know, you have no empathy with players who have a different playing style.


Krystl

26-Feb-2019 18:33:34

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The point that most non-supporters appears to be missing is that the other bosses were an intrinsic part of the quests.

The EDs are part of the wider game and something that I never intended to do. I have never done any of the harder bosses and would be terrible at them if I did. I don't intend to be a hindrance to any team (other than the boss masses lead by Mod Lee, thanks Mod Lee) so why would I voluntarily subject myself to the stress of doing 3 EDs especially if I then have to find a team to do it with as well?

If I got 200m dung solo, it means that I don't really play as part of a team but Jagex always want to make me play with others. I really don't know why. Is it because they like to team up so they want to make everyone else do it as well? Or are they like parent telling their children that they have to play nice together?

A quest being a pre-requisite for a quest is fine. Some kind of combat and/or skilling level is also fine - but having to have completed some bossing area? That's out of order and completely against the game model which says you can play whichever style suits you and still progress.

The people who quest aren't level 3 skillers or pures, they are generally more widely skilled than others across all areas because they have to be to do all the quests but that doesn't mean that they PvM so why are Jagex making them?


I've already seen the very un-empathetic responses that say 'don't do it then' or 'it's easy, just go and do it on story mode'. So thanks in advance for the really great NON support from fellow Runescapers - maybe that's why some of us prefer to play solo, because players are generally selfish and only capable of seeing things from their own point of view.

Krystl

28-Feb-2019 00:35:24

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So, just had chance to get back on and see some responses. Given my 'passive-aggressive' (can't remember who said that) attitude to others I thought I'd just refer all those people to the times when PvMers have whined and complained about puzzles in quests, about having to gain some non-combat skill for a quest, about having to do anything but bossing for a quest.

But I expect a lot of you either don't remember those times or don't want to - because Jagex always caved. Remember the quest where you could pay to get past a puzzle? PvMers were so worked up about a simple puzzle that they insisted that they shouldn't have to do it - and they go their own way.

So, in my whiney way, I'm going to emulate all you unsympathic PvMers out there and complain bitterly about having to do a 3 elite dungeons in order to regain my quest cape.

And I'm going to remember this next time Jagex produce something that you don't like and, instead of sympathising as I normally do, I'm going to not support. Not that it will matter because Jagex have learnt their lesson and never put anything in game that might upset the minds of typical PvMers.

By the way, this is not directed at all those PvMers that either don't care if EDs are in or out of a quest or all those who have some sympathy - it is directed at those who appear to think that I shouldn't be able to disagree with someone who has an opinion different to mine and to state that they have no empathy - apparently, if I disagree with them, I'm in the wrong but they are entitled to their opinion - weird world we live in.

Krystl

09-Mar-2019 04:18:27

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