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Yoiola
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Speculation is in the human nature and it's fun. I don't see why anyone would be so bothered by the fact that others are developing theories, on the base of new things that pop up in game and on the different media.

22-May-2019 14:02:06

UrekMazino
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Yoiola said:
Speculation is in the human nature and it's fun. I don't see why anyone would be so bothered by the fact that others are developing theories, on the base of new things that pop up in game and on the different media.

Because if you don't annoy the other person, its less likely that they will reply to you, thus fewer chances for post count.
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22-May-2019 16:20:15

Jon Stryder
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The chances are high that this new 'Land out of Time' is indeed the Fossil Island that has been promised for so long. The hints and similarities are too numerous to simply ignore. But is it also Orthen? We know Kerapac was headed in that direction, but is this his final destination or merely the first step in a much longer journey?

Personally I hope it isn't Orthen for 2 reasons:

1...Size.

The cloud covered area is roughly the same size as the Lost Grove (or Varrock plus the grand exchange.) Assuming this represents the true size of the underlying island, then this would just about manage to make a decent sized jungle to explore. There is plenty of information about Fossil Island to give an idea of what sort of features and attractions the Island may contain. There is also lots of information available about the Dragonkin, enough to flesh out this idea of 'Orthen', the first Dragonkin city. But if you combine these two into a single location of the size indicated, then it all starts to feel a bit cramped, with neither idea being given the room needed to achieve the 'epic' status each deserves.

2...Story.

We know Kerapac is heading to Orthen to retrieve an item to set his plan in motion. This has the makings of an epic quest line. This started in 'Desperate Measures Times' and we adventurers are now setting off in hot pursuit. If this Land out of Time really is Orthen, then it is Kerapac's final destination, and what could have been an epic journey is suddenly cut short and becomes somewhat anti-climatic. Nobody is going to sing ballads about the time Jon Stryder hitched a ride with some archaeologists and arrived, unscathed, at his destination 10 uneventful minutes later. For narrative purposes, the journey is often more important than the destination, and I for one want Jagex to drag out this journey for a little longer.


[Edited to correct the name of the recent quest, and not pre-empting the name of the sequel.]
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22-May-2019 18:53:15 - Last edited on 25-May-2019 11:13:27 by Jon Stryder

Yoiola
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UrekMazino said:
Yoiola said:
Speculation is in the human nature and it's fun. I don't see why anyone would be so bothered by the fact that others are developing theories, on the base of new things that pop up in game and on the different media.

Because if you don't annoy the other person, its less likely that they will reply to you, thus fewer chances for post count.


I don't get why should post count be important at all, to be honest.

22-May-2019 18:54:04

Dilbert2001
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Jon Stryder said:
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1...Size.

The cloud covered area is roughly the same size as the Lost Grove (or Varrock plus the grand exchange.) Assuming this represents the true size of the underlying island, then this would just about manage to make a decent sized jungle to explore. There is plenty of information about Fossil Island to give an idea of what sort of features and attractions the Island may contain. There is also lots of information available about the Dragonkin, enough to flesh out this idea of 'Orthen', the first Dragonkin city. But if you combine these two into a single location of the size indicated, then it all starts to feel a bit cramped, with neither idea being given the room needed to achieve the 'epic' status each deserves.

2...Story.

We know Kerapac is heading to Orthen to retrieve an item to set his plan in motion. This has the makings of an epic quest line. This started in 'Desperate Measures' and we adventurers are now setting off in hot pursuit. If this Land out of Time really is Orthen, then it is Kerapac's final destination, and what could have been an epic journey is suddenly cut short and becomes somewhat anti-climatic. Nobody is going to sing ballads about the time Jon Stryder hitched a ride with some archaeologists and arrived, unscathed, at his destination 10 uneventful minutes later. For narrative purposes, the journey is often more important than the destination, and I for one want Jagex to drag out this journey for a little longer.


1. A city is not an island. If there aren't a lot of activities in the island or they implement Orthen like the city in Goshima then it is not cramped. I think the epicness may come from the lore, story, quests, exploration and maybe some instanced activities (bosses, ED, etc) rather than old school skilling locations. It is not cramped at all then.

2. I believe the ancient secret lies on either the Glistening Gem or the Black Pebble from Kranon's Ancient Journal.

22-May-2019 21:28:13

Fox Totem
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Yoiola said:
UrekMazino said:
Yoiola said:
Speculation is in the human nature and it's fun. I don't see why anyone would be so bothered by the fact that others are developing theories, on the base of new things that pop up in game and on the different media.

Because if you don't annoy the other person, its less likely that they will reply to you, thus fewer chances for post count.


I don't get why should post count be important at all, to be honest.


Perhaps that is as fun and natural as speculating. For some players anyway. I prefer the speculation. There are posters with interesting thoughts and ideas about what is ahead, sometimes more interesting than what happens. Which we will all know soon enough.
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22-May-2019 21:43:43

UrekMazino
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Yoiola said:
UrekMazino said:
Yoiola said:
Speculation is in the human nature and it's fun. I don't see why anyone would be so bothered by the fact that others are developing theories, on the base of new things that pop up in game and on the different media.

Because if you don't annoy the other person, its less likely that they will reply to you, thus fewer chances for post count.


I don't get why should post count be important at all, to be honest.

You'd be surprised, some people just have nothing better to do, ya know?
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23-May-2019 03:47:14

A Mighty
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Jon Stryder said:

2...Story.

We know Kerapac is heading to Orthen to retrieve an item to set his plan in motion. This has the makings of an epic quest line. This started in 'Desperate Measures' and we adventurers are now setting off in hot pursuit. If this Land out of Time really is Orthen, then it is Kerapac's final destination, and what could have been an epic journey is suddenly cut short and becomes somewhat anti-climatic. Nobody is going to sing ballads about the time Jon Stryder hitched a ride with some archaeologists and arrived, unscathed, at his destination 10 uneventful minutes later. For narrative purposes, the journey is often more important than the destination, and I for one want Jagex to drag out this journey for a little longer.


You're forgetting that Kerapac is not (or at least, should not be, in my opinion) the main villain in this questline. The Elder Gods are going to destroy the entire universe if we don't stop them. Kerapac is nothing compared to them. I for one would love to see the sequel to Desperate Times (if it is indeed called "Desperate Measures", the Measure should be involved in some way :P ) be about Kerapac and end with his defeat, but at the same time setting in motion the necessary events for the future quests in the series to be about the Elders, not Kerapac. So going back to your original point, Orthen should be Fossil Island. :)
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23-May-2019 20:39:06 - Last edited on 23-May-2019 20:40:05 by A Mighty

Dilbert2001
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A Mighty said:
Jon Stryder said:

2...Story.

We know Kerapac is heading to Orthen to retrieve an item to set his plan in motion. This has the makings of an epic quest line. This started in 'Desperate Measures' and we adventurers are now setting off in hot pursuit. If this Land out of Time really is Orthen, then it is Kerapac's final destination, and what could have been an epic journey is suddenly cut short and becomes somewhat anti-climatic. Nobody is going to sing ballads about the time Jon Stryder hitched a ride with some archaeologists and arrived, unscathed, at his destination 10 uneventful minutes later. For narrative purposes, the journey is often more important than the destination, and I for one want Jagex to drag out this journey for a little longer.


You're forgetting that Kerapac is not (or at least, should not be, in my opinion) the main villain in this questline. The Elder Gods are going to destroy the entire universe if we don't stop them. Kerapac is nothing compared to them. I for one would love to see the sequel to Desperate Times (if it is indeed called "Desperate Measures", the Measure should be involved in some way :P ) be about Kerapac and end with his defeat, but at the same time setting in motion the necessary events for the future quests in the series to be about the Elders, not Kerapac. So going back to your original point, Orthen should be Fossil Island. :)


Actually there are no definite villains. The Elder Gods have their rights to survive so does the Dragonkin and every NPC in the Runescape multiverse. It is survival of the fittest.

Are lions villains because they have to kill and eat their preys or they have to always be heroes and starve to death?

24-May-2019 02:25:04

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said:
A Mighty said:
Jon Stryder said:

2...Story.

We know Kerapac is heading to Orthen to retrieve an item to set his plan in motion. This has the makings of an epic quest line. This started in 'Desperate Measures' and we adventurers are now setting off in hot pursuit. If this Land out of Time really is Orthen, then it is Kerapac's final destination, and what could have been an epic journey is suddenly cut short and becomes somewhat anti-climatic. Nobody is going to sing ballads about the time Jon Stryder hitched a ride with some archaeologists and arrived, unscathed, at his destination 10 uneventful minutes later. For narrative purposes, the journey is often more important than the destination, and I for one want Jagex to drag out this journey for a little longer.


You're forgetting that Kerapac is not (or at least, should not be, in my opinion) the main villain in this questline. The Elder Gods are going to destroy the entire universe if we don't stop them. Kerapac is nothing compared to them. I for one would love to see the sequel to Desperate Times (if it is indeed called "Desperate Measures", the Measure should be involved in some way :P ) be about Kerapac and end with his defeat, but at the same time setting in motion the necessary events for the future quests in the series to be about the Elders, not Kerapac. So going back to your original point, Orthen should be Fossil Island. :)


Actually there are no definite villains. The Elder Gods have their rights to survive so does the Dragonkin and every NPC in the Runescape multiverse. It is survival of the fittest.

Are lions villains because they have to kill and eat their preys or they have to always be heroes and starve to death?
I like how you ignored everything to make some generic grey morality claim.

Kerapac is the antagonist in the plot. Whether you empathize with him or not doesn't matter.
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