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Eliuaustin

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Right now, there are basically two prayer books at players' disposal: the standard (likely Saradomist) book and the Ancient (Zarosian, with some Seren prayers as well) book.

If Jagex is looking for a way to expand the prayer skill to 120, a possible solution is to add new prayer books that are aligned with specific Runescape gods. Some of these books will require higher levels, while some others may be mid-, or even low-leveled.

The diversity in prayers would make a lot of sense since the gods have returned to Gilenior and are obviously beginning to have larger followings.

Examples of such books could be:
- A Zamorakian Prayer book with some chaotic-themed prayers. For example, some buffs could greatly increase damage to enemies, while at the same time extend the length of stuns received.
- An Armadylian Prayer book. Because his beliefs are similar to saradomin's, perhaps this book could be more skilling-focused than combat related.
- A desert pantheon prayer book that has enhanced effect when activated within the desert. Consisting of a broad range of skilling and combat buffs relating to the different members of the pantheon.
- A high-level elder god book that has some incredible buffs that demolish your prayer points very quickly.
- And best of all, a Brassican Prayer book.. or at least some prayers. Basically, these would draw on the power of nutrition to increase the healing effects of foods, abilities, etc. (also, the ability to bless Expensive Spices so that it further increases amounts healed from foods).

Also, the different books could be aligned to one combat style over another, either within the combat triangle, or between tank, hybrid, etc.

Such an update would give Jagex a lot of wiggle-room to create new prayers and extend the skill above 99.

Let me know what you think of these ideas, and if you have any suggestions as to how this could be fleshed out (I realize that it is just a basic concept) please share them below!
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24-Oct-2018 05:43:59

Tenebri
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Qwis7 said:
Or just accept that pray is fine at this moment and just keep it this way.
Not all skill need to be 120
.


yes they do. but thats another topic

but to keep ontopic

eh if prayer is to go 120. prayer books i dont think is way to go for it. more prayers would be reasonable. the only issue that comes is obviously 99 prayers are a rare drop with high price right now

ones after that will have to follow an unlock of some sort. instead of just getting 115 prayer to unlock a better prayer at 99.... (in some cheap methods of training prayer be more reasonable to do that anyway)
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27-Oct-2018 10:46:36 - Last edited on 27-Oct-2018 10:48:39 by Tenebri

Rikornak
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To be honest: The ancient curses are intended to be an offensive alternative to the standard prayer book - in reality they're superior in all, but a few weird applications - it isn't like I got a problem with that when we see it as low level and high level prayer books, but the ingame explanation should be kept in mind. Going with more books the result will be that one of your prayer books will be the new meta and every other one will be useless junk.

Tenebri said:
Qwis7 said:
Or just accept that pray is fine at this moment and just keep it this way.
Not all skill need to be 120
.


yes they do. but thats another topic

but to keep ontopic

eh if prayer is to go 120. prayer books i dont think is way to go for it. more prayers would be reasonable. the only issue that comes is obviously 99 prayers are a rare drop with high price right now

ones after that will have to follow an unlock of some sort. instead of just getting 115 prayer to unlock a better prayer at 99.... (in some cheap methods of training prayer be more reasonable to do that anyway)


Not even necessarily: Imagine they would introduce a new curse at 115 - available for everybody. In order to not devalue the praesul codicies they could both upgrade the 94 and 115 ones at certain levels (99 and 120 for instance), providing both a stepping stone at 99 and the new top tier thing otherwise. I am a fan of unlocks myself (not sure though what I should think about unlocks, that require some other unlock item before), but restricting too much functionality to unlocks isn't good - and would be even more a reason not to extend a skill, which already has tons of empty levels.
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27-Oct-2018 12:30:06 - Last edited on 27-Oct-2018 12:33:21 by Rikornak

Tenebri
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Rikornak said:
To be honest: The ancient curses are intended to be an offensive alternative to the standard prayer book - in reality they're superior in all, but a few weird applications - it isn't like I got a problem with that when we see it as low level and high level prayer books, but the ingame explanation should be kept in mind. Going with more books the result will be that one of your prayer books will be the new meta and every other one will be useless junk.

Tenebri said:
Qwis7 said:
Or just accept that pray is fine at this moment and just keep it this way.
Not all skill need to be 120
.


....


Not even necessarily: Imagine they would introduce a new curse at 115 - available for everybody. In order to not devalue the praesul codicies they could both upgrade the 94 and 115 ones at certain levels (99 and 120 for instance), providing both a stepping stone at 99 and the new top tier thing otherwise. I am a fan of unlocks myself (not sure though what I should think about unlocks, that require some other unlock item before), but restricting too much functionality to unlocks isn't good - and would be even more a reason not to extend a skill, which already has tons of empty levels.


yeah having to have the 99s ones already unlocked works


yes there are many gaps but doesnt mean they have to be filled first. they would be classed as low or med level prayers anyway, unrelated to the improvements of what a 115 curse would be
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27-Oct-2018 14:19:32

Rikornak
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Tenebri said:

yeah having to have the 99s ones already unlocked works


yes there are many gaps but doesnt mean they have to be filled first. they would be classed as low or med level prayers anyway, unrelated to the improvements of what a 115 curse would be


It doesn't need be entirely gap free, but prayer is really extreme when it comes to this: When 8 levels on 70+ are empty levels it is a bit too much. Well good - no skill could be as bad as dungeoneering for this, which practically still has no justification for 120 levels 8 years after its release (if it wasn't for ressource dungeons (which shouldn't be the main feature) the last unlock would be at 101, if you're just interested in useful still it will be even only at 90), Invention in its release state btw the same, meanwhile - well fine. The Slayer extension did it right - it filled up other higher levels as well as directly providing features for 100 and higher.

The thing is - empty levels never are good, but the higher they are the less acceptable they should be. But generally I like it that they're using those empty levels for newer features recently (PoF, the two agi shortcuts this year,...)
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27-Oct-2018 17:36:11

Qwis7
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Tenebri said:
Qwis7 said:
Or just accept that pray is fine at this moment and just keep it this way.
Not all skill need to be 120
.


yes they do. but thats another topic


Its sad that there is no facepalm smiley on this forums.
You say all skills need a 120, but you clearly do not even know what 120 pray should look like O_o.

27-Oct-2018 18:09:43

Tenebri
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Qwis7 said:
Tenebri said:
Qwis7 said:
Or just accept that pray is fine at this moment and just keep it this way.
Not all skill need to be 120
.


yes they do. but thats another topic


Its sad that there is no facepalm smiley on this forums.
You say all skills need a 120, but you clearly do not even know what 120 pray should look like O_o.


more prayers, the way 1- 99 prayer is....

rs linkify youll get one ­facepalm"




^^ see it works well

but nonetheless how did i demonstrate how 120 prayer should look like? i didnt say how it should be or not be at all. so seems you jumped to a conclusion with no basis, i just disagreed with the thread about using prayer books...
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27-Oct-2018 18:39:11 - Last edited on 27-Oct-2018 18:45:21 by Tenebri

Fox Totem
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I'm not sure how all this works for 120 prayer but there are good ideas. I especially like the
Brassican idea. ("everyone knows cabbage beats fire";) It would compliment some of the
Lunar spells.

Allegedly there is no greater force in all of creation than the power of highly
concentrated nutrients. Let's find out if that is so.
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28-Oct-2018 02:57:12

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