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CrocoNuts
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The way the rules function is that if someone were to lorebreak, godmod or autohit, the action of this person would be rendered non-canonical for your character/group/POK narrative. Their actions will be voided/retconned.

I know my examples there were all rules related to in-character behavior. The rule against the use of alt-accounts would be more of an out-of-character thing like the usage of blacklists. It’s not uncommon that the actions of someone out-of-character have an in-character influence on someone already, as a means of punishing the individual or group for what one can deem as unwanted behavior out-of-character.



Again, I agree with Haz (Otilio) on using alt-account methods, no matter who does it and no matter how small the occasion. I think it’s good to show that the community has a rule to fall back on, to have something concrete and to legitimize certain actions having no consequences due to the usage of alt-accounts in the progress due to personal moral disagreement with the use of such methods.


The condoning of the use of alt-accounts will just give people a reason to get an alt in order to ‘legitimize’ and make it easier for themselves to:

- Have assassinations (regicide) done easier
- Constantly have hold of land within a family
- Create (metagame level bordering) spy schemes
- Summon up rofl armies and create traitors without effort


I think that the methods of using alt-accounts are damaging to the community in its current form and (with a slight wink to Jagex’s own ethical codes and their work for CPSL MIND) it is safe to say that these practices of manipulation and abuse of trust are unwelcome to a roleplay community, even if it is used out of desperation to get a new start due to past experiences.
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12-Feb-2019 21:13:08

Lord Pyro I
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I was referring to the fact that our rule system is so massively abused as to almost mean nothing whatsoever.

As to the points you raise:

- Have assassinations (regicide) done easier - Good. The only impact alt-accounts have on this issue is to prevent people from protecting their characters by metagaming the intentions of the character seeking to kill them.
- Constantly have hold of land within a family - They do this already and it would be extremely surprising to see this work more than once if at all as new rpers rarely rise so fast so quickly
- Create (metagame level bordering) spy schemes - Spying is not metagaming not even with an alt. Be more vigilant if you want to prevent it from occurring.
- Summon up rofl armies and create traitors without effort - No rofl armies are impossible because directing even two alts at once would not create a particularly convincing illusion. As for traitors? See my answers to assassination and spying.
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12-Feb-2019 21:28:34

Marshal Jor
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@Pyro, did you hire Donald Trump to write that drivel? I have no idea why National Socialism was brought up but okay.

You are excluding people though, you're blacklisting left right and centre like you're Serena Williams at Wimbledon.

The only reason why the camp was a threat was because you couldn't simply hand it over to RiDaku, so you both went to extreme measures to discred it and metagame it your way...

you three will always remain a risk to allowing people the freedom to roleplay, and, any form of dictatorship or censorship should always not be tolerated.
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12-Feb-2019 21:58:38

Lord Pyro I
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Marshal Jor said:
@Pyro, did you hire Donald Trump to write that drivel? I have no idea why National Socialism was brought up but okay.

You are excluding people though, you're blacklisting left right and centre like you're Serena Williams at Wimbledon.

The only reason why the camp was a threat was because you couldn't simply hand it over to RiDaku, so you both went to extreme measures to discred it and metagame it your way...

you three will always remain a risk to allowing people the freedom to roleplay, and, any form of dictatorship or censorship should always not be tolerated.


You brought up fascism.

Who am I excluding?

Dictatorship is currently the default state of being on W42.
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12-Feb-2019 22:03:37

Marshal Jor
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Lord Pyro I said:
Marshal Jor said:
@Pyro, did you hire Donald Trump to write that drivel? I have no idea why National Socialism was brought up but okay.

You are excluding people though, you're blacklisting left right and centre like you're Serena Williams at Wimbledon.

The only reason why the camp was a threat was because you couldn't simply hand it over to RiDaku, so you both went to extreme measures to discred it and metagame it your way...

you three will always remain a risk to allowing people the freedom to roleplay, and, any form of dictatorship or censorship should always not be tolerated.


You brought up fascism. -
They are two slightly different ideologies F.Y.I...


Who am I excluding? -
pretty much everyone on the world, and since you're not a nice person, most of us don't like you.


Dictatorship is currently the default state of being on W42.
- it isn't.. you're trying to introduce it and It shouldn't be tolerated
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12-Feb-2019 22:10:26

Juaquin Cash
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Lord Pyro I said:


Dictatorship is currently the default state of being on W42.


Says the one who proudly claims he put Daku in power.
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12-Feb-2019 22:16:46 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2019 22:16:58 by Juaquin Cash

RiDaku
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The whole "Well could I just use an alternate account to play a spy!?" is entirely facetious - nobody's going to do that. Nobody is going to sink an additional $11 (or alternatively 20m) every month/2 weeks (depending on the method used), grind out a new account and reset from zero JUST to play a spy, and then go "welp i did my job" and ditch the account. Let's be real here, like, actually real and quit hiding behind false words.

Pyro and Castigo had to use alternate accounts (with Castigo using an alibi in the form of Fiore all these years to excuse why he knew so much about everything that was going on) because this community is downright obsessive over flaws. Do you know what I still get remarks over? Of course you do, the people reading this are the ones that keep bringing it up. I still, eight years later, hear comments about Vile when he was a granite golem in the rising sun. Not even fucking arguing about how it was just freelance bar roleplay and wasn't affecting anybody outside of it - Just the fact that it existed, I still hear about it. Eight years later. If you do something wrong, people bounce it around FOREVER. You legitimately cannot escape it. I say the word "Tom", what picture do you think of?

Alt accounts are the only way to escape that. People legitimately enjoyed RPing with Pyro while he was Arenaride, like I said earlier in the thread, people were outright calling him the hope for w42. People made friends with Arenaride, they got along with him. And that was the actual only way he could get ANYTHING done, actively do ANY form of real roleplay, without getting shit flung at him. And people enjoyed the roleplay he did.

The fact that it was Pyro on an alt shouldn't be an aggressive slap in the face, he wasn't doing it to snake anybody. The goal of Arenaride wasn't to shake Asgarnia up. He didn't even want the fucking throne, Castigo shoved it on to him.

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12-Feb-2019 22:22:09

RiDaku
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So this whole call for future alt accounts' actions to be completely nulled is god damn ridiculous. It sets a precedent that once you have a reputation, you're stuck with it. You cannot escape it, because this PoK community will not let anything go. And if you have the NERVE to make an alt account to get away from it, sorry, you're just being manipulative and cruel, we're ignoring everything you did. What happens if the account's been around for years? What if they completely revamped a system, or changed peoples' minds? Does all of THAT get undone, too? Do you just revert to factory default? What if other people are involved in it, do we just rewind that too? Think of what would happen if we did that with Asgarnia. It wouldn't just be me getting rewound. It wouldn't just be Pyro. It'd be Jane, Fiore, Eofare, back and back until we're sitting on 2016-2017 canon with god damn 3 years of lore in our heads that means NOTHING.

And, yes, I do have a little bit of bias in this, because of how frequently my clan and its roleplayers get the "alt account" accusation thrown at them. The accusation of being an alt has been fucking weaponized, as ridiculous as that is to say, and putting in a rule to just null any actions taken by someone who's suspected of being an alt is equally ridiculous.

P.S. The irony of the Alt Account discussion while so many f2p accounts with 1-2 posts in their history, all based around the RP forums and all dropping hints that they know the environment, is ironic to say the least.
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12-Feb-2019 22:22:13 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2019 22:26:57 by RiDaku

Marshal Jor
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@Daku, but he wasn't doing that to actively roleplay, he was trying to set up a lord-awful "council for 42" alongside yourself and Void.

Why doesn't it surprise me with what is being written, is something i'd expect mr Trump to say at a press conference?
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12-Feb-2019 22:27:11

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