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Hiya,

this will be a very controversial discussion I guess but I think it's a good suggestion. Many forumers want more players to join the forums. Jagex wants the same. At this point I maybe should mention that I'm in a way fine with how it is at the moment but if we want more players to join the forums, the forums should give xp in RuneScape.

This may sound like bribing and could result in more spam posts. But that's only one small side of the coin. Please really think about my idea before you post.

Many players are grinding XP, this means many players do train their skills the best possible way in order to get as many xp as fast as possible. For these players the forums aren't attractive at all. Posting here would mean wasting time that can be better used to gain xp.

I'd suggest that there's a points system and you can swap once a month the points into ingame XP (lamps/books). Hidden posts, rule breaking posts and bans give negative points - bad, average, good and outstanding posts give points depending on quality. That's the basic idea.



Who will decide which posts have which quality?
Fmods get buttons next to each post and the majority vote of fmods determines the points you get. Maybe also community helpers should get a button as well. This restriktion needs to be in place in order to avoid people from asking their friends to vote for their posts as outstanding when they are not. For each vote the fmod gets a small amount of points.

What's with the FMods?
FMods get a fixed amount of points for each post plus the voting points.

Will there be exceptions?
Yes, the forum games forum will give less points than the other forums since you can easily post there (e.g. Count to 50 b4 a mod posts).
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What will be the rewards?
You can choose between 3 things. One is an xp lamped that gives fixed xp for a fixed number of posts in a skill which you can choose. An other is an XP lamp for the depending on your level which you can also use for every skill. The third is invention Xp. The fixed Xp shall be the best way to train every skill to level 30 (for the noobs). The invention XP shall be the best way to reach a medium level in invention (e.g. 60).

Can I get items through the forums for free?
No.

Won't there then be lots of people just trying to post anything?
In a way yes. But since spam posts don't give much xp and good posts give way more xp than bad posts people will think before they post. There will be threads brought up that no forumer thought about before since he or she never was in need to post anything.

What are the advantages?
There are lots of them.
- Revived forums
- better feedback, maybe even representable feedback
- better customer support (since many forumers will lurk in the Community Led Help section since it's easy XP)
- better customer loyality (since not only the people that are addicted to RS and know everything will join the forums but also noobs who maybe even don't know what Jagex is),
- better community (more players will learn about the rules and safety and will contribute to the community)
- more fairness (I've spent more time on the (german) forums than in game. I might know about certain topics more than a high level and I never got any reward besides the fun.)
- all information will be available on the forums (if a jmod posts important info on twitter then fastly a player will post it on the forums since it's easy XP)
- more players knowing about scamming and account security
- revived language subforums
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What will be the disadvantages?
- Someone will need to guide new players
- There will be a lot more work for the FMod team to do
- More Spam (that will be limited because it doesn't give xp)
- The xp need to be good balanced
- Jagex needs more staff for the forums

Isn't that bribing?
No, it's not. It's simply rewarding community work. Players that spend lots of time on the forums and create good threads or make good posts don't get anything in return for now.

Wouldn't it be unfair if FMods got a reward for their work and pmods don't?
No, it wouldn't be. Pmods can play the game as normal as they please. An active Fmod needs to spare time for the forums. This would be the reward for that. A reward that you can also get as a normal player.



This is my point of view for now. You may now post and let's get into discussion. I'm already tickled.

Cheers
Liebster

Edit: An other explanation of this thread can be found on page 2 or just click here.

Edit2: It has been suggested that for each new forum rank you get XP. Then only the postcount mattered on the one hand on the other there wouldn't be a need for anyone to read every post or to recruit new Fmods prior to the update. :)
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19-Dec-2018 11:56:00 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2018 17:22:46 by Liebster

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Hi,

Louiellen said:

No way, we don't want this.

Besides, if you think 33 fmods are a lot to make this suggestion feasible - think again. Not all 33 of us are online at the same time, in fact, not even half of us are online at the same time. Our lack of quorum alone will not make this barely viable. Also, the most important reason why I disagree with this, we don't need more forum powers. In fact, through the years, we have lost a lot of power over this board, as the forum rules became lenient.


The problem with the number of Fmods will only occure during the launch. And this is not about FMods having forum power. If this is the problem then maybe every user with 1k posts+ or 10k+ posts should be able to vote. The reason why I wrote that Fmods should decide which posts have which quality is the fact that there needs to be a qualified vote.

Cheers!
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19-Dec-2018 13:20:05

Liebster

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Hiya

UrekMazino said:

Wrong, even the most efficient players would do afk training occasionally and have the chance to play forums. The reason why forums have such low activity is because its interface is getting old, you get logged off after a while, the rules are adhered to so strictly that many trolls have found ways to circumvent being banned, and with no sort of voting systems the dumb posts don't get filtered out (of course, a voting system wouldn't make sense for forums too, but I think that the problem is that the rules may be too rigid or outdated, allowing troll posts/comments to occupy space of other more legit posts).

Plus, there are other social media platforms that not only have more modern UI but also have more interaction with Jmods.

Edit: Forgot to add question: So why would people choose to keep using forums when other platforms are far superior?


I know all these points. But I also know many players who even don't know that the forums exist. And the xp would be the reason why people are staying here and then there would be more JMod interaction on the forums.


Cheers
Liebster
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19-Dec-2018 13:48:54

Liebster

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Hiya,

I'll reply to your posts first and then vent some frustration.


@ Wilf: Every post should be read by an Fmod. That's my honest opinion. And Jagex could recruit new Fmods. Maybe in two waves. First make an announcement on social media and the runescape.com that they want the forums to give xp and need more fmods for that and that people should start posting now. After three months recruit the first bunch of new fmods and then send every player an inbox that they need new fmods and after three months then recruit the second bunch of new fmods and then release the update.

I myself like it the way it is. The quiet forums give me a chance to reply to every thread if I want to. But the majority of forumers want more activity on the forums.

I don't think posting for the sake of posting is something bad. When I was new to the forums, back in 2007 I used to look for threads to reply to and create threads just in order to get the first 100 posts since the established forumer had at least 100 posts and I wanted to be established (german forums). None of my threads was a spam thread, none of my posts was spam. I just gave Jagex feedback on everything, went through the suggestions and commented them, played a little bit forum games, posted my favorite song at that time and created some general discussion threads about RS. No one was harmed and the german forums seemed more alive with more possibilities to post for the players.


@ Aorox: I respect this attitude. I used to have the same. The title would be a nice thing. But I guess it won't make the forums become more alive.

@ Dong U Dead: The problem with people posting as much as possible in order to get a better rank was always discussed and now we have ranks and still there is not that many spam as predicted. I believe the fear of spam is something that everyone expresses but that is not needed since spam leads to a ban.

@ Draco: Same Issue like on page one. Why wouldn't you support my idea?
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20-Dec-2018 05:55:57 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2018 05:56:35 by Liebster

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@ Wolfblue: Yes, some forumers don't like fmods or certain fmods. Still someone needs to vote which posts are good and the voters need to be qualified. And it would be the easiest to let the FMods vote and bad blood? Maybe there could be a sticky where you can ask why your post gave the amount of points it gave and then a forum mod replies. There should be fixed, open for all guidelines that determine which post is good and which is just average or bad. And it wouldn't be spam city since spam makes you loose Xp. ;)


Now I'll went my frustration.


Honestly I don't care if these forums become busier or not. And I don't care if I get any rewards for foruming or not. I've been on the forums for ages and I will be there with or without any rewards. But everyone wants them to be busier and Jagex needs feedback that represents the player base. So it's a goal that there are more forumers.

The majority of you is for example screaming for an update. So honestly - why? There are already some forum features, I don't need more features in order to write. And yes, it could be nice but honestly - this doesn't make more people post and it's correct that it's not Jagex priority because there are far more people playing the game than enjoying the forums. The vast majority wants game updates and not forum updates for a forum that they don't use.

Then there's the idea of having more JMods here and Jagex releasing more information only on the forums. This is in a way ridiculous. Jagex is where the players are. And the players are on Twitter, Facebook and reddit. And with always the same people posting on the forums for ages there really isn't a need for that much Jagex presence. Jagex already has us in the bag. We know who they are, we are emotional about RuneScape and many forumers also have twitter or reddit or facebook.
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20-Dec-2018 05:56:10 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2018 06:11:21 by Liebster

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The majority of forumers isn't really a target group for Jagex' marketing. But people on Twitter or Facebook could be a target group so Jagex is present there. And more Jmods for the forums - where and what should they post? I can tell you - back in 2007 there were more german cm JMods than needed. They had all the time and still they did not comment on every idea or on every thread. JMods left the forums because there were less users and there was less need of JMods and not the other way round.

And even if there were more Jmods on the RSOF - which players does this attract? The noobs that need new information and should get in touch with Jagex or highlevels that just want JMod attention and that are already linked with Jagex in every possible way?!

Then here was a title suggested - a title would be a nice feature but it won't bring many new players to the forums since if everyone can have the title "forumer" just a few forumers that rarely play the game will have it in game and only if they use public chat someone is going to see that there's the title "Forumer" and may ask about the forums. But that doesn't make this player become a forumer. And if it makes this player become a forumer he/she will likely spam to get a better title colour.

Then there's the fear that the Fmods could be criticised. FMods need a thick skin, they have always been criticised and honestly banning someone makes a far more controversial discussion than 20 or 30 xp less for a post.

There aren't that many high quality posts on these forums. Just because players have been here for a long time it doesn't mean that their posts are good. But that's also because there is no reward for a good post. Funposts, argueing and short statements are easier than leading a real discussion or helping someone comprehensively out.
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20-Dec-2018 05:56:10 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2018 06:24:22 by Liebster

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XP for good posts are in my eyes the only possibility to make these forums really busy again. With a good point system, an open guide which posts are good many new users will make good posts and because good posts give more xp they will make even better post than some old forumer that is already here yet.

Think before you write - I am not suggesting that spam gives XP, I am not suggesting that the mass of posting is getting you anywhere. Good and outstanding posts would be worth the effort and with that being established there will be many new awesome forumers. The feedback Jagex gets will be representable of the community and everyone will know the forums.

Being on the forums is then a part of the gaming experience for those who want to level via the forums.

Jagex has made updates like the bonds (being able to buy in game items with real money) and like treasure hunter so why not make an update that fills the forums and once there are more players on the forums they will be updated, more Jmods will post here and the community here will be pretty much alive, not always the same faces that have already been here for ages.

And if good posts give more xp you will see a change in quality of posts regarding many players.

So give this idea a shot. It should be easy for Jagex to be implemented and it is worth a discussion. If you really want more players on the forums then let them give xp. It's as easy as that. If you don't want spam let good posts give a lot more xp than bad posts and if you don't want FMods to judge which posts are good then suggest an other system on how to filter the posts regarding quality.


So I think now I have expressed my opinion.


Just my 2 cents
Liebster
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20-Dec-2018 05:56:10 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2018 06:55:41 by Liebster

Liebster

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Hiya,

this wasn't really what I was suggesting. IF the forums give XP there will be many new players and the forums would still need to be moderated. IF THERE IS A POINT SYSTEM then there would be need of more fmods since someone has to read all the posts. You stated before that the team was too small to be able to deal with reading all the posts and voting if there were XP for foruming. Therefore I suggested a huge recruiting of FMods before giving players the ability to get XP from the forums. The forums need to be moderated.

But honestly it is not my decision and I'm not bringing any question of new fmods to poll. I was just stating that IF there was a point system for XP then many players came and we needed more FMods that have to be recruited before. But I'm here suggesting something to bring new players to the forums, which if it works slightly touched the question if there's a need for more FMods then. But only if my suggestion would be set on the list for an update then Jagex would need to discuss with the Fmods on the Mod forums who can deal with what and is there a need of more fmods.

I hope this clearifies my "auxiliary suggestion" ^_^

Cheers
Liebster
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