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Tuffty

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Hello South.

I have to disagree with No 2.

I don't want to sound or act like a dictator when moderating the forums. I want the Community though to be able to seek assistance from Jagex incase I was in error.

The F-Mods fully support the Review thread and still back it's use. Also F-Mods asked for it to be made. The Community needs a method to contact Jagex incase they feel the F-Mod was not upto scratch.

The FMR thread is in hand. Thats all I can say at this stage.
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12-Jan-2019 14:40:03

Tuffty

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Mrs Ana said:
Southeaster said:
Unless... we find a way to let Fmods serve as a check on each other. That might work. I ought to give that some more thought.
If I am not mistaken, I am safe to assume that, since we have PMod Mentors, there are FMod Mentors, correct? If that's the case, these FMod Mentors should be the ones checking on other FMods, if they choose to take upon the role, of course, and if it were even offered by Jagex. The oldest FMods I can recall that are still active are
Tuftty
and
Tren
. These FMods outlived most, if not, all Community Management Jagex Moderators. I mean, they have been highly and undoubtedly entrusted with the crown and they have done an outstanding and incomparable performance while on voluntary duty.

With that being said, I believe that FMods as old as Tuffty and Tren here should take the reigns into keeping a check on other FMods. Well, since we aren't FMods we do not know how exactly it works behind the scenes, but one can be hopeful. Obviously, this is apparently the job of the LMods who haven't gotten their JMod accounts, but here we are looking for alternatives.


You were correct in your assumption of F-Mod Mentors. Sadly the F-Mod Mentors were abolished some years ago. I was part of that team then. Our roll was only to train New F-Mods and guide them along. ;)

Having F-Mods check on other F-Mods in the way you sugguest will not work. F-Mods can't see the Review thread content. To be able to see it F-Mods would need a Jagex account and thats something that won't happen. The L-Mods have been waiting for months for their's. :(

Good suggestion but sadly something I think will not happen.

For the record Tren and I have been here since Wednesday May 4th 2005. The 2 oldest F-Mods left. ;)

Threads got very busy last few days. I need to catch up. ;)
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18-Jan-2019 11:47:27

Tuffty

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I'll have to change my name to Scab Tuffty.

What you ask Nexus I can't do.

But you can rest assured everything the F-Mods can do is being done. You should hear our screams. Trust Me. We are on this issue.

All we can do extra is visit Jagex. I have the route in my satnav from last time I was there. :P
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18-Jan-2019 12:55:43

Tuffty

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Nexus Origin said:
I just want what is best for the community.

If that means things have to get messy before they get better, well, so be it.

I'm hoping it doesn't come to that.

I'm hoping Jagex does what is best for the community.


A F-Mod strike helps no one.

Sorry and all that but I'll never strike. You can't and won't convince me otherwise.

Years of trust have built up with Me and Jagex and to strike that will all be for naught.

Keep the suggestions forthcomming but a strike is not part of position here as a F-Mod.

I get what you are saying and totally respect it. But no thank you. Respectfully. ;)
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18-Jan-2019 14:02:08

Tuffty

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I shouldn't have to "convince" the "champions of the community" to stand up for the community.


We are standing up high and proud.

Thats why we are posting here. Also posting in a secret place you do not know about wink wink.

Getting back to my quest. It's the hard part. I'll catch up on the rest of this thread if I survive.
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18-Jan-2019 14:40:49 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2019 14:41:05 by Tuffty

Tuffty

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Wolfblue42 said:
Think Wilf's idea to make FMR public viewed so Lmods can see FMR reports and act on them would work for now. Make a new Fmr v3 thread if needed.

Then they'd have 6 able bodies compared to 4 to deal with FMR.

Having Forum Help viewable is bad enough for the forum stalkers. To have the Review thread viewable too once a report it made would or could cause even more stalking.

I'm not a huge fan of making the review thread open to viewing by the public.

It may also cause upset or distress to the poster knowing the F-Mod being reported can read it. They may claim victimisation against them if say a F-Mod posts something.

Lets keep it the same as it is hidden from public until Jagex review it.
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18-Jan-2019 19:27:49 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2019 19:33:49 by Tuffty

Tuffty

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Wilf said:

also fmods would be asked not to read it and I imagine all fmods would respect that or do you think some of your fellow mods would read it?


It would be the first thing I read when I logged in.... :P

A temp thread. Ermmm. It needs some consideration while this issue gets resolved. ;)
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18-Jan-2019 21:18:18

Tuffty

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Wolfblue42 said:
@Tuffty

Yes I know the temptation to read FMR would be there if made public view. I recall back when Kalaya made her big forum feedback thread and told fmods to stay out except modding some fmods still commented in it socially despite being told stay out. Them being in the thread was not well liked and they got chewed out for it by thread posters.

Once you tell someone not to look they will look no matter what.

I also remember that thread. Not sure if I made a comment or 2..... Was a while ago after all. :P
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21-Jan-2019 13:23:16

Tuffty

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I really want to say something here and it's times like these where I so want an alt account... :P

So I'll try and hope I do not upset anyone.

Here goes.

I like FMR and so do the team. But when it gets misused and it does, It's hard work. It needs to be used right all the time. Making reports on there has to comply with post 1. Some people not all just a few post to discredit F-Mods. Now I don't take things personal and I never will. But if there were less of that then Mod Meadows would have more time for the correct reviews.

Ok I'm done.

How do I know this. I read Mod Meadows replies too. ;)
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24-Jan-2019 13:10:54

Tuffty

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I've worked alongside many many Forum Curators in my time here since May 4th 2005 Wednesday 10.30pm. Yes I won't forget that date.

I've worked alongside,

Mod Peter.
Mod Dave.
Mod Paul M.
Mod Jon H.
Mod Burgess.
Mod Craddock.
Mod Timbo.
Mod MMH.
Mod Emile.
Mod Poppy.
Mod Chrisso.
Mod Shusi pi.
There were many many others. They came and went all the time.

They are just a few I can remember off the top of my head. I do have to say though and I mean this that Mod Meadows is close to the top of the list around No 2.

I still have a soft spot for Mod Poppy. She helped me so much when I really needed it. (Can't say what but her help helped me a lot)

So for Mod Meadows to get No 1 He has to do a little more work. :P
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24-Jan-2019 17:05:09

Tuffty

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@Aqua Star

You can't discuss other peoples account status on these forums. They are a Private matter between the account holder and Jagex.

I suggest you get back on topic. You have been asked over the last 24 hours to do so many times. Now you are being asked by Jagex staff.

If you have issues with any moderation then use the Review thread. The backlog has been taken care of. ;)

Post above removed.
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25-Jan-2019 12:02:24

Tuffty

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@Aqua Star

This is your last chance.

If you feel errors were made then use Review.

The post you referenced has no name in and it could be anyone.

If you feel it's about you then use Forum Help and make a report.

If you feel I am as you call it Harrassing you then use Review thread. Let Jagex deal with it.

Removed a few more posts as they did not comply with the topic or Forum Rules.
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25-Jan-2019 12:41:38 - Last edited on 25-Jan-2019 12:45:32 by Tuffty

Tuffty

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Nexus Origin said:
I'm curious about something...

Why isn't the community section of the forums, specifically the FMR thread, available to accounts that have been banned from the forums?

Let's say a forum moderator has issued a ban, but you feel as though the ban was incorrectly issued.

How does one go about explaining the situation if you cannot access the FMR thread?

Only way I know is appeal it via:- This link

From FMR.

X
Disputing a Forum Mute - Forum mutes are reviewed automatically by Jagex staff, as said above.


Can't be done there.
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25-Jan-2019 13:13:17

Tuffty

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I'm lead to beleive it can be used for forum mutes. But if it's for 24 hours, 48 hours then it might not be worth filling in as the mute maybe over before the appeal. If it's for longer then it could be worth it.

I have no idea how that link works as I've never had to use it so I'm winging it here and just letting you know at one time it could be used for forum mutes.

It does say this on the link.

Not able to chat normally in RuneScape or post on our forums?


So you must be able to appeal them somehow.
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25-Jan-2019 13:29:21 - Last edited on 25-Jan-2019 13:31:34 by Tuffty

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Most mutes can be appealed if you are a
member
, by submitting an appeal from the Account Status section of the Account Management page.


Maybe thats why it does not show up.

I have no idea really as I've never had to use it.
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25-Jan-2019 13:36:52 - Last edited on 25-Jan-2019 13:37:50 by Tuffty

Tuffty

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When a F-Mod issues a Mute they are bound by the F-Mod Guidelines to alert the person muted. Also tell them the action would be passed to Jagex for review.

F-Mods are obliged to leave a post saying so.

Thats not discussing someones account status. It's informing someone of an action taken.

Exceptions apply in some cases which I woun't go into. ;)
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25-Jan-2019 14:46:01

Tuffty

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Thread locked at the request of the OP.

The last 10+ pages were a sad read really for all.

Hopefully We can all walk away from this having learned something. I know I have.

Fingers crossed FMR will be addressed a lot more now after this threads comments and kept upto date by Jagex. ;)
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25-Jan-2019 15:29:43

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