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Mat Mase

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, definitely my biggest issue with the forums ATM are seeing where the activity is and the clutter of sub-forums we have :P

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18-May-2017 16:02:44

Olllivander

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I support this idea.

I don't think it should stop at the restructuring though. Over time, I'd love to see the number of forums minimized with topic prefixes added to show people browsing individual forums what the thread is about. With such a large number of forums, it's confusing even to me sometimes to determine where a thread would best fit due to lots of similar categories.

Do I post a topic in General about a combat issue that discusses flaws in it? Do I move to Combat Council? Do I post in one forum because it'll have higher activity as opposed to another?

The forums need a massive re-work and while a restructuring of what's present would be nice, it'd also be a quick fix that doesn't address the shift in attitudes towards the forums fully.
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19-May-2017 07:06:48

Calm Enigma

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Yay more support, thanks :)

@Ollivander - although I agree that this number of forum sections can create confusion about where to post a thread, I also really like how having many forum sections allows topics to be organised better. I'm personally not too keen on having few, crowded forum sections with a jumble of stuff - instead of thread creation being confusing, interacting effectively with the forum would become difficult imo.
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19-May-2017 20:54:01

Olllivander

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Calm Enigma said:
Yay more support, thanks :)

@Ollivander - although I agree that this number of forum sections can create confusion about where to post a thread, I also really like how having many forum sections allows topics to be organised better. I'm personally not too keen on having few, crowded forum sections with a jumble of stuff - instead of thread creation being confusing, interacting effectively with the forum would become difficult imo.

Take a look at the activity in each section than assess the need for so many boards. A lot of the sub-forums for updates would be a great place to start. I can see the need for things like Combat Council when they first introduce massive updates but after a while, it can be re-introduced with other forums to cut down on home page usage. Another example would be marketplace forums. While they are still handy, we could do with less sub-categories and utilize forum pre-fixes to keep it organized. (Modern pre-fixes let you select which one you want to see which filters out others you don't need. Xenforo does it well.). Overall, I don't in any disagree with having to few forums cluttered up. However, Jagex can maybe be a bit more intentional with the sections we do have, ya know?

Ideally though, there would be some functionality that would let individuals hide individual forums rather than complete categories. Even better, allowing individuals to favorite certain sections and have them appear at the top would be perfect imo.
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20-May-2017 00:34:20

Calm Enigma

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Ah I've finally understood what you mean by topic tags, sorry for being slow :P I can see how they could be useful in more cluttered sections, especially if you can filter by tag, although I feel it would still require the viewer more time to find his area of interest than it does currently.
For sure there are some sections that could be removed or merged without much impact. However, scanning the list there seem to be many more I wouldn't know how to merge together logically and constructively.

Olllivander said:
Ideally though, there would be some functionality that would let individuals hide individual forums rather than complete categories. Even better, allowing individuals to favorite certain sections and have them appear at the top would be perfect imo.

Great shout, I really like this idea :) Added it to the first page.
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20-May-2017 07:29:14 - Last edited on 20-May-2017 07:32:42 by Calm Enigma

Olllivander

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Calm Enigma said:
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The Invention, Combat Council, NXT, and RuneMetrics forums would be an excellent place to start in terms of consolidation. At this point, they could fit into existing game updates fairly easily.

The Market forums could be consolidated into one location with my prefix suggestion. With the 50 page limit, more current listings would stay fresh with outdated topics falling off the 51 page cliff.

The clan forums could be re-configured a bit. Clan Cup 2016 can be removed and future clan cups could be relocated to Events and Services, Clan Wars could be merged with either Clan Home or Clan Central due to its low activity level.

Recent Game Updates could be rebranded Recent Updates and News Discussion could be moved into Recent Updates.

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Another idea would be to have mini-macro section or hub forums. For instance, General could be the main forum and within it would also contain the other RuneScape 3 related forums. I can't get imgur to work but this is what it would like - http://i68.tinypic.com/esumhw.jpg (Tinypic is safe, click if you want, otherwise I'll fix tomorrow when I get home to my desktop)

This would cut down on the main page being so long and re-focus everything into smaller, more relevant chunks which would be on par with what you've suggested in the OP.

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Also, thanks for adding the snippet into your original posts. :D
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20-May-2017 23:48:48

Calm Enigma

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I agree Invention is no longer needed. NXT, Runemetrics and Combat Council may be worth removing from a player perspective, but from a dev perspective they help keep feedback on those projects in one place which makes it easeir for them to respond to it (assuming the forums are read :P )

I'd definitely keep the market place forums separate. Although tags could alleviate things a little, they are very active sections and merging them all into one would be an absolute nightmare with people constantly bumping their threads for attention. Threads would probably remain on page 1 for minutes at most and the forums would just become impractical to use.

Clan Cup forums are added and removed each year (not sure why it hasn't been removed yet tbh). If the Cup were hosted in another section it would completely dominate and spam it up as it did in 2013. Events and Competitions threads would get completely submerged for the duration of the Cup so it's definitely worth giving it its own section temporarily.

Clan Warring I'm evidently biased on so I won't comment on too much :P Yes, activity is currently low atm but when (if) it picks back up it would spam up any other section it is in. If it had to be merged I'd suggest either PvP or Clan Central though.

News Discussion I have probably been in once ever :P It seems more geared towards just being record-keeping section which might be useful idk - I'm ambivalent on that one.

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We have hub forums on our clan offsite and I find them terribly confusing. It feels like inception :P Idk, they might work for other people but they just give me headaches haha :P
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22-May-2017 15:33:20

Olllivander

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Calm Enigma said:
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I understand where your coming from but I'd disagree on several points, even with the active forums. I'm not sure how long it takes to reach page 50 now a days but I'm guessing around a month-2/3 months depending on the section. This might make the sections more active overall and give the RSoF a more active appearance to new people. It'd also work to keep relevant, up to date content closer to the top rather than 30 pages of topics that might get attention every few weeks.

Again, I would only encourage this with the use of sub-forums or topic tags. It may not work but I've seen similar systems work wonders. I do think the forums need tidied up in some way and part of that would be cutting down on the size of the home page in some way whether it's sub-forums, forum merges, or just hiding some forums from public view altogether.

Overall, I think you said it best here:

Calm Enigma said:
We have hub forums on our clan offsite and I find them terribly confusing. It feels like inception :P Idk, they might work for other people but they just give me headaches haha


A lot of how the forums are re-vamped will come down to Jagex's preference as a lot of these changes suggested tend to be. Until they're implemented, we won't know whether their impact is good or bad so I'd say it's safe to say we can agree to disagree on how they are changed. We do, however, agree that they need to be changed. Let's just hope the discussion taking place here and throughout Website and Forums sparks innovation when the forums team finally do get around to us. lol
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23-May-2017 03:02:18

Calm Enigma

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Olllivander said:
Until they're implemented, we won't know whether their impact is good or bad so I'd say it's safe to say we can agree to disagree on how they are changed. We do, however, agree that they need to be changed. Let's just hope the discussion taking place here and throughout Website and Forums sparks innovation when the forums team finally do get around to us. lol
Indeed. I agree with your proposal to disagree for the time being :P
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23-May-2017 09:42:10

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