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Blackwing
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H4rry said:
The poll wasn't a lie. It was a chance for the players to vote as a community to make a change. When the poll passed this gave Jagex the green light to release them all without the burden of a lie. The real lie was then not releasing them all, after the poll had passed.

If you make X promise and then commit an action Y that breaks the X promise, you have lied. It doesn't matter whether the said promise was to keep an item discontinued or to keep it always available, and whether the change was to rerelease it or to make it discontinued after claiming it wouldn't be made such, holding a poll that breaks said promise does not give you the right to commit the polled change, or you'll have lied if you do.

Just to demonstrate that further, if you approved of this polled change, in the future Jagex could do what happened with this poll but vice versa instead (as in, poll to make some always-available cosmetics that are meant to stay always-available discontinued instead), because gaming companies these days are like fire: good servants, but bad hosts (figuratively of course). If you let them get away with lying, they absolutely will abuse that. If you plan to keep playing longer, trust in the company matters a hell lot more than some outdated cosmetics.
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18-Jul-2019 15:29:47

Whatusaytome

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Seems Blackwing doesn't know how to stop living in the past.

Also, there's no important reason to play any event. There's no reason to play this game besides passing time before something in real life comes up.

How about you put Collector value on something real instead of playing Runescape. Let the people who play the Game, enjoy their gameplay. Because it's a game. And it's meant to be enjoyed.

As Pikachu said, this game IS going to die someday, whether it's because you refuse Jagex any right to make extra money, or because they decide to discontinue it and move on. And where will your holiday items be then? Pixelated in a computer that you won't ever be able to see or brag about again.

Overall, you overly value something that's not even yours.
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18-Jul-2019 17:37:34

Turksta

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I think this belongs here:

Q:
Can we get previous Christmas or Halloween event rewards from Lootscape like we had for previous Thanksgiving ones?


A:
No. It's a tetchy area, a lot of people do value them. Shauny is not a fan of giving people rewards for an event they did not partake in. We have in select periods selectively pulled out some of them but we don't want to make a wholesale thing of it.


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Anyways my stance remains the same. No support for releasing replicas of existing holiday items, i'd rather much have the original grim reaper hood than a "replica grim reaper hood" cosmetic override. The best solution is to release new holiday items that are identical to the older ones but still different.

31-Jul-2019 03:42:33

Whatusaytome

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Since that's the only valid Jagex Stance I've seen, I'll take it. But I still disagree with it.

People value them for the wrong reasons and it would be worth revisiting them whether they were replica, which could very well still happen with "new and changed but similar versions" since it would only make sense to name something based off an original as a replica. Unless they were made Lucky versions discolored slightly.

My last post still stands and although it's a blunt, harsh reality, nothing we do in this game should be valued that highly because more likely than not, we will all lose everything we've done when you inevitably quit, or when it inevitably ends. Every item, all experience gained, our accounts in full, will all one day be gone.

And these cosmetics, and any values attached to them aren't making that difference in the game by staying unavailable. But they could at least extend the life of this game, and satisfy additional players, even minorly, if they came back for sale to those showing loyalty to the company.
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31-Jul-2019 18:09:44

Draco Burnz
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Turksta said:
I think this belongs here:

Q:
Can we get previous Christmas or Halloween event rewards from Lootscape like we had for previous Thanksgiving ones?


A:
No. It's a tetchy area, a lot of people do value them. Shauny is not a fan of giving people rewards for an event they did not partake in. We have in select periods selectively pulled out some of them but we don't want to make a wholesale thing of it.


___
Anyways my stance remains the same. No support for releasing replicas of existing holiday items, i'd rather much have the original grim reaper hood than a "replica grim reaper hood" cosmetic override. The best solution is to release new holiday items that are identical to the older ones but still different.


Couldn't agree more with this.

Thnx for such a wonderful comment :)
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01-Aug-2019 21:09:01

Turksta

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@Whatusaytome,
I'm on your side. I disagree with Jagex's stance given they are consistently inconsistent (by re-releasing certain holiday event rewards and not others), however introducing replicas is a bad idea. Here is why:
(I don't know if any of these points have already been made as i haven't paid much attention to this thread as of recently)


1. Certain holiday items like the modern holiday event outfits (e.g snowman outfit from 2014 xmas) are already given out as cosmetic overrides. Therefore, having replicas of such items would further clutter up the game and serve as confusion. If they looked the same original owners will still complain that their original holiday items are devalued as their santa suits or whatever physical item forms they possess aren't rare/special anymore because you can't tell apart who got it originally from those who bought a few bonds to obtain it.

2. For the older outfits such as the skeleton outfit - it'd be a middle finger to those who originally got it because the "replica" overrides come with the advantage of being able to wear it anywhere without it using up an equipment slot or bank space. So with this idea in mind, by trying to be considerate of the original holiday item players, Jagex would instead be inconsiderate as a result.

3. There's no point in having replicas that are visually different as newer players wanting older items for the most part do not want cheap knock offs but the originals itself. Furthermore, releasing visually different replicas is similar to releasing new identical holiday items (rubber chicken > easter carrot etc) which i rather prefer. I'd rather holiday items be creative and have their own specialty rather than be cheap and lazy coloured clones of existing items. (Exclusions apply: Santa suit)

4. I myself do not want a "replica". It's like buying fake pokemon games. Nobody wants a fake pokemon game in their collection. They want the real version. Strange comparison i know.

03-Aug-2019 14:10:29

Turksta

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Draco Burnz said:
Turksta said:
I think this belongs here:

Q:
Can we get previous Christmas or Halloween event rewards from Lootscape like we had for previous Thanksgiving ones?


A:
No. It's a tetchy area, a lot of people do value them. Shauny is not a fan of giving people rewards for an event they did not partake in. We have in select periods selectively pulled out some of them but we don't want to make a wholesale thing of it.


___
Anyways my stance remains the same. No support for releasing replicas of existing holiday items, i'd rather much have the original grim reaper hood than a "replica grim reaper hood" cosmetic override. The best solution is to release new holiday items that are identical to the older ones but still different.


Couldn't agree more with this.

Thnx for such a wonderful comment :)
You're welcome.

03-Aug-2019 14:11:58

Whatusaytome

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There's far more "clutter" in the game worse than replica outfits. Plus Replica AND Lucky outfits are already a thing, so it wouldn't be surprising if they continued it further.

As for it giving any owner the middle finger, I'm an owner of many and I wouldn't be offended one bit by letting people who dont have it have a remade version of it. And if I want both then I can get both, if I have enough spare loyalty. If I have an original and don't need a copy, I'll buy something in the list I do want.

I don't care who values them because they just want to act special for something really insignificant. Like doing an event 10 years ago that nobody now can do. That's just bragging and it's not benefitting anybody.

And if they can't examine a person when they want to confirm it's a replica, and they want to pick a fight instead, that's their pettiness that they need to grow out of. Items have been released again and everybody is over them, they will eventually get over this when they realize how petty they are acting.

Also, your quote on his stance only said he doesn't like giving items to people who didn't do the event, which, when people did the events that came back, they didn't get the rewards. So his stance is rather hypocritical.
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03-Aug-2019 18:32:44

Draco Burnz
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Whatusaytome said:


I don't care who values them because they just want to act special for something really insignificant. Like doing an event 10 years ago that nobody now can do. That's just bragging and it's not benefitting anybody.


So instead of bragging, you expect jagex to rerelease items to beggers?

Yea I don't see that happening.

Once again, you didn't do the events thus you didn't want the rewards.

You cant just change your mind yrs later and expect to get them.
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04-Aug-2019 14:17:02 - Last edited on 04-Aug-2019 14:17:58 by Draco Burnz

Turksta

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"There's far more "clutter" in the game worse than replica outfits. Plus Replica AND Lucky outfits are already a thing, so it wouldn't be surprising if they continued it further."

Retro replicas are needed tho or at least so imo bcos the newer designs suck compared to the older armour graphics. The difference is the retro replicas look quite different to the modern armour graphics, where replica holiday items would need to look quite similar if not the same to please those players wanting older holiday items.


"I'm an owner of many and I wouldn't be offended one bit"
i'm fortunate enough to own the holiday items i desire so i also wouldn't be offended if another player has my holiday items either. But we don't speak for all of players unfortunately.


"when people did the events that came back, they didn't get the rewards. So his stance is rather hypocritical."
i agree

04-Aug-2019 15:04:57

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