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Solanumtinkr

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Now if I read between the line right..
Yes. I have taken lives in my time. I won't deny that. But i have always done so with purpose...with greater good in mind. I fought wars because there are some who understand no other discussion. Without the clash of sword and shield, they cannot hear reason. It is silence to them. I have committed acts that some would call cruel, but they are a woeful necessity. Once I was forced to take the wings of an icyene. To tear them from her back and leave to the the mercy of winter. We were heading into a time of war, against an aggressor native to New Domina. I had been forced to militarise the noble icyene. The icyene are a powerful race, but still mortal, and their numbers comparatively few. I needed each of them to stand up and join the fight, less they all suffer. But one refused. She cried out that the conflict would solve nothing. She proclaimed that all icyene should lay down their spear and embrace a peaceful approach. Her words were...enticing. I wanted to follow them myself. I would have loved little more than for conflict to end and peace to flourish. But I knew better. I knew inaction would lead to the destruction of my people. I had to show the icyene what they faced if they did not fight. I had to show them how the enemy would show no mercy...just as I had to show no mercy. I will not forget that...feeling. that horrible stretching sensation followed by that terrible, sudden, snap. Feathers and tendons falling around me like some horrible snowstorm. It was...cruel, but I had no choice. That act reminded the icyene why they were fighting, what they were fighting, and it reminded them that everyone must do their duty. A moment of cruelty, for decades of prosperity. A fair, if unsightly, trade


does this mean Sara Genocided the native aggressors?
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20-Dec-2016 20:59:06

Lego Miester

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Solanumtinkr said:

does this mean Sara Genocided the native aggressors?


Are there any other races there?
Sardomin: There are other creatures, certainly. Skypouncers roam the plains and there are visitors from other worlds from time to time...but natives...no.
Saradomin doesn't say the words 'no longer' but they hang in the air, spoken but unsaid.
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20-Dec-2016 21:53:05

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Well if there's one thing Saradomin is known for it's genocide. Naragi, Zarosians, etc.

Good catch though Lego, I screen capped the no longer thing and was gonna look into it later, will be adding this bit to my Saradomin thread.
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21-Dec-2016 00:05:52 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 00:12:22 by CD_Paladin_C

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"Muh why aren't you letting themselves invade and destroy you?! Turn the other cheek!" ~CD_Cuck_C

And? It's not justified to kill those who are trying to kill you? "Turn the other cheek" or "be killed" is the most stupid phrase ever. What always works in survival is an eye for an eye and kill or be killed. Zamorak also directly tried to genocide the Zarosians and for their beliefs, not for security/order. And the other gods were also involved in locking up Nex.

Your saying it's better to let them kill you rather than kill them before you are killed.

If you have a bully you have to use force sometimes so they can't have the will to hurt you anymore otherwise they will never listen, its the same situation.
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21-Dec-2016 00:20:48 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 00:55:31 by Padomenes

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Padomenes said:
"Muh why aren't you letting themselves invade and destroy you?! Turn the other cheek!" ~CD_Cuck_C

And? It's not justified to kill those who are trying to kill you? "Turn the other cheek" or "be killed" is the most stupid phrase ever. What always works in survival is an eye for an eye and kill or be killed. Zamorak also directly tried to genocide the Zarosians and for their beliefs, not for security/order. And the other gods were also involved in locking up Nex.

Your saying it's better to let them kill you rather than kill them before you are killed.

If you have a bully you beat them up so they can't have the will to hurt you anymore, its the same situation.


IKR? All he did was invade their planet, take over, and demand he named their king. The way those rebels are acting, you'd think he was trying to enslave them or something.
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21-Dec-2016 00:54:22

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Hazeel said:
Padomenes said:
"Muh why aren't you letting themselves invade and destroy you?! Turn the other cheek!" ~CD_Cuck_C

And? It's not justified to kill those who are trying to kill you? "Turn the other cheek" or "be killed" is the most stupid phrase ever. What always works in survival is an eye for an eye and kill or be killed. Zamorak also directly tried to genocide the Zarosians and for their beliefs, not for security/order. And the other gods were also involved in locking up Nex.

Your saying it's better to let them kill you rather than kill them before you are killed.

If you have a bully you beat them up so they can't have the will to hurt you anymore, its the same situation.


IKR? All he did was invade their planet, take over, and demand he named their king. The way those rebels are acting, you'd think he was trying to enslave them or something.
But all I'm saying here is that he was trying to act out of preservation of order/survival and not pure hatred for their race/beliefs or whatever. It was a war situation between him and them. Book of the gods mentioned they murdered innocents when he went away too.
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21-Dec-2016 00:57:29 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 00:58:21 by Padomenes

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Elf of Seren said:
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He could try to negotiate once in a while, instead of just killing everyone or leaving them to die.
Not saying his "better" but most people in a typical situation when faced with a hostile force would respond by retaliating irl, but however his just learnt/developed this into a habit because its the only way he knows of dealing with enemies "that works". Unless you could somehow prove him wrong(Debunk Him), and that there are other ways of keeping Order glued together without it falling into chaos.

I told him that there was an alternate or other ways he could achieve utopia when the stone was destroyed when siding with him, and you know? He listened(considered). There is the option that supports his current way, the one that says there are other ways or just the hostile one that bashes him. You've just got to remember, the "arrogance" comes from insecurity that others' methods will fail.

If it was me I would try to negotiate if they offered or did not show hostility and opened dialogue. I even defused the conflict between him and Zamorak in a maze cutscene. But with Saradomin we are not sure how it went, or he didn't see it working for Order in long-term according to life-experiences. He can't help it, its his life experience that forced him to see it this way.

Anyway if you side with him in the end-game quest and he greets you he shows care for you. Expressing that he came to check on you to see if you were alright with the concern that you might have gotten hurt or something like that. How can people talk down such a caring/loving individual?
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21-Dec-2016 01:03:05 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 03:06:40 by Padomenes

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Padomenes said:
And? It's not justified to kill those who are trying to kill you? "Turn the other cheek" or "be killed" is the most stupid phrase ever. What always works in survival is an eye for an eye and kill or be killed. Zamorak also directly tried to genocide the Zarosians and for their beliefs, not for security/order. And the other gods were also involved in locking up Nex.

Your saying it's better to let them kill you rather than kill them before you are killed.

If you have a bully you have to use force sometimes so they can't have the will to hurt you anymore otherwise they will never listen, its the same situation.


While I agree that standing up for yourself and the occasional violence is necessary for progression and peace, I disagree with almost everything else. This isn't a mere bully in a school yard, this is an entire race we are talking about here.

Killing armed combatants in the heat of battle and self defence is different than killing non-combatants in their homes. Because what you may have failed to realise is that not all of the native race would have been warriors. Many would have been children as well, along with the old, the sickly and any peaceful inhabitants that may have protested but were ignored because they had no military power.

All wiped out. An entire culture and people erased from the face of their home planet probably because their government picked the wrong blue giant to fight with.

There is nothing reasonable or justifiable about complete genocide of a sentient race. If you over power someone that greatly that you can take out the entire race, you can afford some mercy.
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21-Dec-2016 03:31:11

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