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Saradomin puts the fate of all his followers at the mercy of one girl, Adrastreia, his biggest weakness. This makes him dangerous and gravely flawed.

During Sliske's Endgame, Saradomin handed over the Stone of Jas, a weapon capable of mass destruction, over to Zaros without little hesitation in exchange for the return of his daughter, and then what would have happened next?

Everything Saradomin has built up would have all been for not. Upon giving Zaros the Stone of Jas, Saradomin gave up every shred of dignity and ambition he had for being the so-called One True God. He also risked the lives of his followers, too.

Zaros could have turned against Saradomin the moment he handed the pact worn off after he turned over the SoJ. Perhaps, Zaros wouldn't have killed Saradomin immediately, seeing that Zaros is a being that finds a use for everyone, but he would have definitely crushed him and all his followers if he ever got in his way of ascending to Elder Godhood (Zaros did even threaten to kill the World Guardian if we our selves didn't give the Stone to him). The life of one girl is not the worth the life of potentially millions, as well as breaking all the promises you made. Adrastreia may have been Saradomin's daughter but Saradomin does not get to condemn and throw the lives of all his followers to a potentially dark, grave future, and possibly their destruction.

Speaking as an Armadylean, yes, I know Armadyl got many of his Aviansie killed, but he has learned his mistakes, and proved this by bringing only Kree'ara and his body guards to the Endgame, unlike Saradomin who brought a battalion of white knights to the finale. Killing Bandos was also justified seeing Bandos was responsible for the murder of many. However, trading the lives of a whole squadron of white knights and potentially all other Saradominists is
NOT
a justifiable fair trade for the life of one girl in no way shape or form.

CONT.
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11-Feb-2017 07:11:48 - Last edited on 11-Feb-2017 07:12:21 by Swolllliosis

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At least with Armadyl's deal with Zaros, all of Armadyl's followers are protected from whatever horrors Zaros may bring to the world. Armadyl didn't even include himself in the pact, only his followers. Armadyl would rather sacrifice himself to save his followers, unlike Saradomin, who would tempt everyone's life for the sanctity of one girl. This is so selfish, so greedy, so abuseive, it's basically corruption for self-gains. And if they try and refuse him, will Saradomin rip off their limbs? He puts his daughter above all. She may be your only family, but Saradomin, those are your people! That's like betraying your country to terrorists for your family's well-being. Where will that utopia that you and your daughter are going to safetly live in be once Zaros becomes Big Brother and subjugates the universe to his will?!

It feels like Saradomin's only true purpose in life is to build a happy world for his little princess in Gielinor. "she's all that matters."- Saradomin. And Saradomin is nothing without her. He's like that King in that one movie that builds a kingdom for his daughter on the foundation of slavery and suffering and doesn't even let the daughter go beyond the walls of the kingdom (Aladdin / LionKing 2? idk). If this is true, it explains why Saradomin is so quick to toss away everything he has worked for for one girl.

Ok I am done raging, bye.
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11-Feb-2017 07:11:55 - Last edited on 11-Feb-2017 09:37:03 by Swolllliosis

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Wahisietel said:
If Armadyl was in the same situation, do you really think he wouldn't have done exactly the same thing? Because he definitely would have.

Heck, any of the gods would have done the same, except for Bandos.


Armadyl probably might have given himself up to save the majority or even his child, yes, but he wouldn't outweigh one life over the pact. Putting all his followers at risk again, especially after the trauma he dealt after his lost during the first Gold Wars, is too unjustifiable for his taste, unlike Saradomin, who always gets the final and ultimate say about what is justifiable and what is not. Does Saradomin really think just because he built civilization after civilization, it gives him the one and only divine privilege to decide the ultimate fate of his followers? I think not. A god shouldn't subjugate their powers over mortals like that.




Questcaping said:


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Saradomin: No. Not now! I should have known.


This genuinely seems like a surprise to him. Perhaps he focused too much on the prospect of his daughter being returned to him, to the extent that it blinded him to Zaros's end of the deal? Regardless, the exact circumstances should absolutely be kept in mind.


You are forgetting what Saradomin immediately said about that.

Saradomin: "Then your price is a small one to pay."

Meaning he has made his ultimate decision, concluding that the life of his little girl is worth WAY more than the potential threat of destroying all his followers. The safety of those he is worshiped by is mere frailty in comparison to the safety of his daughter, like a penny compared to a dollar.
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11-Feb-2017 23:50:52

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Elf of Seren said:
Saradomin has made it clear that he will do whatever it takes to protect his adopted Icyene daughter. Wahi is correct here.


And this is what makes him quite dangerous. He could do something reckless again Saradominists be weary! Armadyl, on the other hand, says that he does not prefer to have the ultimate say in everything and that there should be a balance of power between gods and mortals.
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12-Feb-2017 00:04:33

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Ancient Drew said:


As for Saradomin's teachings, he preaches heavily on morality, which means that all of his followers are in fact more than willing to help someone out, especially if they want to do good, even if it puts themselves in danger. They basically try their best to be good and save as many people as they possibly can, and trust Saradomin because there hasn't really been evidence of any of his order failing as of yet.

I'm not really saying this to defend Saradomin (although I used to follow him at first before I found out about Zaros), it's just my opinion really.


If a few individuals offer to risk their lives to help save Adrastreia, that is fine, but for Saradomin to bring all his followers into this mess, toss them all aside, and go against all his teachings is unacceptable. That's like when Tumeken blew himself up and dragged all the innocent people down with him that were avoiding the war. I am not sinking with the Titanic.
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12-Feb-2017 00:30:17 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2017 00:47:15 by Swolllliosis

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Wahisietel said:

If Armadyl had a choice between the life of his only remaining family member and giving Zaros the Stone of Jas, he'd give Zaros the stone, no doubt about it.


Perhaps there may a slim chance you may be right, but the fact of the matter now in this day in age is that he currently has no family to deter from his goals,only his followers - which, right not, makes him a more considerable better choice of god, in my opinion.

However, you cannot be so certain he would give us all up so easily. Would Seren give up her elves to save her brother? She was certainly sad that Zaros was killed by Zamorak, yes, but she didn't even dare involve her elves into this.

Another thing I'd like to mention is that Armadyl mentioned his husband Obi'Sooth died during Zamorak's blast on Forinthry. Yet during the maze, we don't see Armadyl's anger of Zamorak stemming just because Obi died. He was angry because Zamorak killed ALL of the a aviansies that were involved in the war. He didn't single out one aviansie because they were his lover but everyone.

Armadyl also mentioned he has witnessed many deaths of his loved ones. The death of his parents, children, husbands, etc.. While they all saddened him deeply, he sucks it up like a man, saying "It is easy to feel this loss as the curse of immortality, but I prefer to remember that I got to be with him his whole lifetime. I have decades of memories, good and bad, that will always be with me. I am blessed by this, not cursed."
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12-Feb-2017 00:50:49 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2017 01:12:34 by Swolllliosis

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Lethalintent said:
Although Saradominists should be weary, that's more to do with their own self destruction rather than what their god will do.

But I don't fault Saradomin for what he did.

To a Parent, their child's life IS worth countless other lives, Worth giving up near limitless power, worth all the humiliation, danger, consequences and sacrifices that it takes in order to keep them safe. Take into account that to a parent there should be no higher priority than being said parent.


This does not excuse why he made a pact with Zaros in the first place. Could he not have found Adrastreia herself?
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12-Feb-2017 04:10:10

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