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Hi all, I'd like to use this thread as an opportunity to gather feedback on how you felt that the recent Winter Finals went.

What did you like?
What would you like to see improved?
Is there anything you either really loved or hated?
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19-Dec-2017 11:46:28

PUNANYMASSIF
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F*cken great, i have nothing bad to say about it. The 1v1's didnt only make deadman mode more fair and skill rewarding, but also made the viewer experience so much easier and more enjoyable. Watching a pile of 400 players throw chins and barrages for 25 minutes might be semi-entertaining for veterans of the game, but for the potential new players deadman mode strives to bring into the game, I don't think many of them enjoyed or even understood what was going on.

But.... The whole "woops the guy who got all the fireworks just got banned" was unfortunate, i 100% realize it's not jagex's fault the guy was botting or whatever, but for potential new players who just happend to stumble upon the finale stream it mightve looked quite strange for a 32000$ event to end in that fashion.

Im not very educated regarding the resources the team has to combat botting in these events 'a priori', but given that accusations (and actual actions) of DDosing, bot farming, muling etc. seem pretty common the only thing I can think of where there could be possible improvement would be to deal with these cheaters in a more preventive sense. OSRS "syntax" is old and i realize this can create large problems regarding these types of problems, but this was literally the only sub-optimal aspect of the tournament I could think of.
(Personally I do not think that it hurt the "narrative" of the show or tournament, this time, because the hero of the stage instead recieved the price, live. Although in a future tournament the circumstances could be alot different and a ban on the winner out of the blue could create alot more confusion for all parties involved)

Thanks for the great tournament and thank you for keeping this wonderful game alive and thriving to this day. /// DB69

19-Dec-2017 12:55:35

Lunchtime007
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Personally I liked this format a lot more than pervious ones. It was great to see content creators and renowned PvPers making it to the end, as opposed to the all too familiar CanMan Mode (it'll be interesting to see if this trend continues when RoT participates).

However, I think in terms of a watchable e-sport, there is still a long way to go. Having both players' interfaces, showing them swapping between prayers, gear, spells etc on each side of the screen, would be a huge addition. It also would help casters making informed commentary, rather than just guessing what items a player has left. Also making hitpoints and names of players more prominent (potentially having name at the top-centre of the screen inside a hitpoints bar that goes up/down with the respective player) would add to the spectacle.

I understand that you are restricted with what you can do by the game engine, however if OSRS wants to be taken even semi-seriously as an e-sport, there's still a lot of room for improvement in the viewing experience.

Overall, better than before, but still a way to go.

19-Dec-2017 13:29:34

LiT GDZ

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I just wanna know why i was dq'd 3 times for over 100 hours of my time....other than that and weedblazers+fools abusing the relog glitch to get their whole clan into the 1v1s...it was fine I closed rot

19-Dec-2017 14:40:39

tomfa91

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IMO the official Runescape stream does not live up to the actual content that's happening in tournaments like this.

I feel that from a viewers perspective, high level PvP needs to be POV.

If you can't see the players mouse/screen then you lose so much of the action and it looks clunky. Especially with some of the camera angles we got from the official stream.

I think the format of the final was great, but the official strewam definitely felt lack lustre in comparison to some of the contestants streams

19-Dec-2017 17:11:06

Taank

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my advise. good job on the final,

my first tip: when you find out who the top 2k player are for next season, run their names or whatever you gotta do to see if they are botting/rwt/ect, before even letting them into the tourney world, and also again maybe the day before the final hour? that way there is no more embarrassment up on stage where you have to say you have to disqualify this guy because we didn't bother to check to see if he was botting,
(until after the final) and ends up being the winner. lmao btw

seems like we could get a better way to view the fights beside someone moving a camera around every few moments.

other then that dmm even though i dont play i enjoy watching, and watching it evolve into a great game mode. good job guys

19-Dec-2017 17:46:35

Taank

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tomfa91 said:
IMO the official Runescape stream does not live up to the actual content that's happening in tournaments like this.

I feel that from a viewers perspective, high level PvP needs to be POV.

If you can't see the players mouse/screen then you lose so much of the action and it looks clunky. Especially with some of the camera angles we got from the official stream.

I think the format of the final was great, but the official strewam definitely felt lack lustre in comparison to some of the contestants streams


i very much agree with this statement it seems as a viewer you dont get near the full experience of what is going on and seems kinda boring even though behind the scenes its really not. wish there was a better way of spectating, and making it so new players could actually see whats really going on behind each person, seems like a big job but i think you can do it, would bring a lot more attention to the tourneys if you could actually tell that theres excitement/misclicking going on yano.

19-Dec-2017 17:50:26

T U B B Y
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The tournament probably looked like it went well for everyone watching. However, what actually happened was that all 64 slots from gdz were filled by 1 clan - fools, who had abused the game mechanics to get their entire clan assigned to gdz.

So, basically everyone else who was assigned to gdz was fucked, as they were up against a full-force clan when everyone else who had played by the rules only had half their numbers.

As a player, this was one of the most unfair tournaments so far. Obviously the mechanics need to be fixed so that you can't log out and back in to get a new final area assigned. But even if that is fixed, I don't like the design of these tournaments. The final areas are always controlled by clans. It makes absolutely no sense to have to fight in a multi-zone area, in gear and an inventory setup that you are using to try to win 1v1 fights. Either make the whole tournament 1v1 fights, or keep the whole thing multi.

64 players is not nearly enough to give anyone other than the winning clan a chance. If you want to keep this stupid format of the tournament for whatever reasons, it should be top 200 people or higher. But it is really dumb. Nobody coming from North of Falador had a chance against the people from GDZ who had time to loot and gather full supplies. Only reason the people North of Falador were punished was because of time's sake.

You need to set up the tournaments so that certain stages finish at a certain, definite time. Don't penalize players mid-tournament by spreading gas that instantly makes it impossible for them to win their 1v1 fights.

The main thing I want to say is that the tournaments ending in Barb village with On Codeine winning, and the one ending in gdz with Rot winning with 1 player left were the most climatic, the most entertaining to watch, and play, and if you don't bring back those tournaments, you are straying further and further away from a good gamemode.

19-Dec-2017 19:14:45

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