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This thread is dedicated towards the Friend's Chat channel that tracks the prices of the following discontinued limited edition items that were released through the Squeal of Fortune, Treasure Hunter, and other Jagex promotion events:

Fish Mask
Christmas Tree Hat
Crown of Seasons
Cloak of Seasons
Crab Hat
Pet of Seasons Token
Mimic Tongue Cape
Mimic Helm

About the Owner of the Friend's Chat: New Years is a respected and seasoned member of the discontinued items business community here on Runescape. He is also a captain in R quark and stands apart from the others in his service and attitude.

About the Former Owner of The Friend's Chat: The Motherland joined the Runescape community in 2002. Among the first generation of players to witness the game in its developing stages, The Motherland has been an active leader of the Runescape business community for over a decade in the area of value investing and investment advisory services. In addition to his for-profit activities, The Motherland is engaged in pro bono work and has been an outspoken activist for reform on price reporting and measures taken against enterprise corruption and RWTing. In January 2013, The Motherland founded ‘SOF Rares Pc’ – the first Friend’s Chat committed to the accurate reporting of prices of popular discontinued items that were released through the Squeal of Fortune (SOF), which was later to become Treasure Hunter (TH), and other Jagex promotion events. After a brief hiatus from ‘SOF Rares Pc’, The Motherland is proud to announce 'th rares pc' as The Friend's Chat channel for SOF/TH discontinued item price checking. New Years and the Motherland are the current Co-owners of Th Rares Enterprises in Item Discussion.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

18-Oct-2015 01:08:13 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2016 07:29:04 by Sea King

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Methodology: All prices are based on reports given by players in Friend’s Chat channel or on SOF/TH Disc. Item Status V5. Reports are accepted as valid by default unless contradicted. Every effort is made to ensure accuracy. For details, see SOF/TH Disc. Item Status V3.
Ranks: Ranks in the ‘Th rares pc' is awarded to those who have shown true dedication and commitment to the mission of the organization. Regular duties and responsibilities involve 1) offering price reports; 2) providing accurate and timely reporting; 3) maintaining decency and order within the ‘Th rares pc’ Friend’s Chat channel; 4) investigating fraud and abuse; 5) promotion services.

Performance-based Pay: Ranks are eligible for free Runescape membership via Bonds for exemplary service.

Code of Honor and Ethics: Participants, both nonranks and ranks, are expected to maintain a basic level of honor and ethics within the Runescape community. Foremost among these qualities is the human right to free speech (so long as it does not cause immediate harm or disturb the public order). There is a zero-tolerance policy on the persecution of players for their views displayed outside the Friend’s Chat channel and its affiliated Forum threads.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

18-Oct-2015 01:08:27 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2016 07:29:30 by Sea King

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Constitutional Rights:

A 'player' is anyone who plays RS. A 'visitor' is anyone who plays RS and visits the FC. 'Due process' requires that accused be given the opportunity to know their accuser and present evidence in their defense.
1 Every Player is entitled to free speech to the extent allowed by Jagex and to the extent that it does not interfere with price reporting operations.

2 Players shall not be removed from the FC or banned from the FC without due process. One exception is made to the situation where the alleged transgressor presents a clear and immediate danger to others (e.g. spamming).

3 Visitors are not subject to retaliation by the FC for their personal perspectives.

4 No legitimate trade reports shall be ignored in price reporting (no matter what the ranks of the FC believe where prices are headed.)
5 Right to remain silent
6 Right to face one's accuser
7 Right to a speedy resolution (i.e. no action or discussion is taken within 72hrs); otherwise, the statute of limitations invalidates the complaint.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

18-Oct-2015 01:08:36 - Last edited on 19-Jul-2016 04:44:29 by Sea King

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Restatement of FC rules summarized from the past 10 pages:

1 All runescape rules.
2 No spamming / trolling, this will result in a warning before a kick is warranted.
3 Offensive language will not be tolerated in the FC.
4 Do not give false prices (manip).
5 Offtopic is allowed, as long as it does not interfere with PC requests and updates.
6 Trending is not allowed.
7 Players with an offensive name should change their names before entering the FC.
8 All updates are assumed to have taken place in the last 5 minutes unless stated.
9 Wrongful kicks are subject to a fine equivalent to a fish mask payable to the Kick Victims Fund, which distributes compensation to those players who have been wrongfully kicked.
10 Ranks may not be permanently demoted without due process. However, pending an investigation, ranks may be demoted temporarily.
11 Trading (without quantity or price) of TH rares is allowed in FC.
12 No promotion will be made on the basis of anything except approximate pcing hours.
13 Do not ask for PCs repeatedly within the course of several minutes, especially if you have already received a PC recently. (Application of this rule is subject to rank discretion.)
14 Kick appeals must be sent within 72hours of the incident to a rank different from the rank who is involved in the incident.
15 If in doubt with any of the details (e.g. timestamp), do not use the report to update the PC. Call it the "no guessing" rule (Executive Order 522030).
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

18-Oct-2015 01:08:41 - Last edited on 19-Jul-2016 04:43:28 by Sea King

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16 Reports of average price sold/bought for multiple items are NOT accepted because the report does not reveal the exact price of which the item was sold for. At best, some price bounds can be inferred but that's it.
Actions that, without actual evidence, directly promote the claims made by individuals who have been documented for price manipulation may be construed as aiding and abetting known price manipulators. Being an accessory to price manipulation is tantamount to price manipulation itself (Executive Order 522031).

For example, it's perfectly fine to confirm a report (e.g. I sold gem cape for 243m 20 minutes ago) made by a player who is known for price manipulation. However, it's not acceptable to advertise as the truth uncorroborated claims made by a player who is known for price manipulation.
17 During times of extreme volatility (e.g. a price jump or fall above 20%) and no available conflicts, ranks reserve the right to ask for screenshots as part of an effort to ascertain validity. Failure to show sufficient evidence may result in the report being classified as "incomplete" (Executive Order 234345).
18 In an effort to promote team spirit and cooperation, it is expected that ranked members of the FC act as a unit (or a team). In the case of potentially inflammatory rank vs. rank. disputes, every effort should be made to resolve the dispute privately. A public discussion of the dispute should be reserved as a last resort if all else fails. In no circumstance is it allowed for a ranked member to treat another disrespectfully by undermining his or her authority in public (Executive Order 853346).
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18-Oct-2015 01:08:49 - Last edited on 19-Jul-2016 04:43:50 by Sea King

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22-Mar-2016 05:49:45

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In light of the good and the bad experiences of everyone who have frequented the threads and FCs that report prices, I thought it would be important to allocate players, at least the ones within my jurisdiction, the following constitutional rights:

A 'player' is anyone who plays RS. A 'visitor' is anyone who plays RS and visits the FC. 'Due process' requires that accused be given the opportunity to know their accuser and present evidence in their defense.

Bill of Rights for Players:

1) Every Player is entitled to free speech to the extent allowed by Jagex and to the extent that it does not interfere with price reporting operations.

2) Players shall not be removed from the FC or banned from the FC without due process. One exception is made to the situation where the alleged transgressor presents a clear and immediate danger to others (e.g. spamming).

3) Visitors are not subject to retaliation by the FC for their personal perspectives.

4) No legitimate trade reports shall be ignored in price reporting (no matter what the ranks of the FC believe where prices are headed.)
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16-May-2016 00:19:47

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Ranking System Update:

in an effort to prevent cronyism and a popularity contest, I hereby institute the following criteria for rank promotions in the FC:

20 hours to earn a Smiley
40 hours to earn a 1-stripe
80 hours to earn a 2-stripe
120 hours to earn a 3-stripe
240 hours to earn a Bronze Star
480 hours to earn a Silver Star

The following rules are now codified:

1) Wrongful kicks are subject to a fine equivalent to a fish mask payable to the Kick Victims Fund, which distributes compensation to those players who have been wrongfully kicked.

2) Ranks may not be permanently demoted without due process. However, pending an investigation, ranks may be demoted temporarily.

3) Trading (without quantity or price) is allowed in FC.

4) No trending, but off-topic is allowed as long as it does not interfere with PCing.

5) No promotion will be made on the basis of anything except logged pcing hours.

6) Do not ask for PCs repeatedly within the course of several minutes, especially if you have already received a PC recently. (Application of this rule is subject to rank discretion.)

7) Kick appeals must be sent within 72hours of the incident to a rank different from the rank who is involved in the incident.

Lastly, please exercise Common Sense with regard to any of these rules. The rules are not meant to trap people or go against reasonable conduct.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

13-Jun-2016 19:01:59

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Slight correction: Trading is limited to items PCed by the FC only. If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

13-Jun-2016 19:11:16

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Another Rule that Falls Under the Common Sense Provision:

If in doubt with any of the details (e.g. timestamp), do not use the report to update the PC. Call it the "no guessing" rule.

Executive Order 522030.
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15-Jun-2016 17:20:06 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2016 17:20:34 by Sea King

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DP Rawx said:
"cyderman" for promotion?
He posts alot of fc updates when no one is pcing


I'll take that under advisement.
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20-Jun-2016 16:53:25

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Sea King said:
Another Rule that Falls Under the Common Sense Provision:

If in doubt with any of the details (e.g. timestamp), do not use the report to update the PC. Call it the "no guessing" rule.

Executive Order 522030.


Pursuant to Executive Order 522030, I would like to issue the following clarification:

Reports of average price sold/bought for multiple items are NOT accepted because the report does not reveal the exact price of which the item was sold for. At best, some price bounds can be inferred but that's it.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

20-Jun-2016 16:55:34 - Last edited on 23-Jun-2016 05:10:25 by Sea King

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New Guidelines on Distribution of Justice:

1) Before any administrative action is taken against the accused, the accuser and the accused must first meet and discuss the problem, preferably in the FC so that there are other witnesses. For example, dialogue regarding a conflict must include the actual price, the approximate timing.

2) If step 1) fails to the difference, and there is probable cause, then the accused may be removed from the FC.

3) Both nonranks and ranks are equal before the Court. No one is above the rules. For example, conflicting with a rank does not lead to immediate removal from FC.

4) For a player to be removed from the FC permanently, there must be evidence suggesting beyond a reasonable doubt that the player has been engaged in misconduct (e.g. price manipulation). For a player to be removed from the FC temporarily, there must be evidence suggesting within a reasonable doubt that the player has been engaged in misconduct (e.g. price manipulation).

5) Appeals can include screenshots. Wrongful kicks in which the rank did not have probable cause (i.e. within a reasonable doubt standard) are subject to a fine equivalent to a fish mask. Wrongful bans are subject to a fine equivalent to a crown of seasons. Fines are paid by the rank(s) involved in the incident. Wrongful kicks even with probably cause will require the rank who kicked to issue a formal apology either in-game or on forums.

6) "3 strikes" - if the player has been removed from the FC temporarily three times, then the player may be banned. Egregious acts of spam or price manipulation may result in a ban on the first offense.

7) Appeals can be sent to any rank. A final appeal can be made to the Motherland (or New Years).
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

22-Jun-2016 14:42:41 - Last edited on 22-Jun-2016 14:44:26 by Sea King

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Names Up for Promotion Based on PCing Hours:

1) Cyderman
2) Mimictongues
3) Who La Who (formerly sam**)
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26-Jun-2016 00:26:10

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Actions that, without actual evidence, directly promote the claims made by individuals who have been documented for price manipulation may be construed as aiding and abetting known price manipulators. Being an accessory to price manipulation is tantamount to price manipulation itself.

Executive Order 522031.

For example, it's perfectly fine to confirm a report (e.g. I sold gem cape for 243m 20 minutes ago) made by a player who is known for price manipulation. However, it's not acceptable to advertise as the truth uncorroborated claims made by a player who is known for price manipulation.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

03-Jul-2016 06:43:56 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2016 06:48:05 by Sea King

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Summoning catalyst line proposal:

Summoning focus, discontinued item. Made from Leather case, gem focus, and metal setting. Once made, cannot be broken back down.

The above components come from crafting catalysts. Crafting catalysts were available for a few days on the SOF and have not since returned in any way, shape, or form.

I propose a new line, catalyst line: It will be: case/gem/setting (1000/4) and focus (10k/4)

This rare is unique in that it has a very high buy limit, it is members only, and players still consume them for the 20% bonus XP they give when training summoning. Hence they are leaving the game faster than any other rare.


You make some fine points. However, unlike all the discontinued items in the past, the item is members only whose only function is to give 20% bonus summoning exp for every pouch made. According to Theos, who has looked into the matter extensively, Jagex was asked about the 'discontinued status' and has since refused to recognize this item as a 'discontinued item'. This is in contrast to other items like Mimic Helms, which enjoy an appearance of discontinued status despite never being officially stated that they are discontinued. Why do I say appearance of discontinued status? Because otherwise, the market would treat them as worthless. On the other hand, the price of the summoning focus has always been derived from its value in terms of intrinsic bonus exp. My interpretation is inspired from the distinction made in the functionality doctrine of U.S. copyright law: the purpose of summoning focus is utilitarian; the purpose of the other items PCed by the FC is cosmetic.

The facts that weight against summoning foci from being PCed:

1) members only
2) serves no purpose but to be consumed for exp (hence, hoarding aside, the maximum fair value is capped by the maximum exp each focus gives)
3) lack of official recognition as discontinued

Decision: Not to PC as of this time.
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05-Jul-2016 01:25:29

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@cyderman,

Thanks for the input. I'd be fine with getting rid of the entire 'others' line. We have enough items to pc as it is.

@master rocky,

as you may have already noticed, you're promoted to smiley for meeting the 20hrs
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10-Jul-2016 00:32:38

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During times of extreme volatility (e.g. a price jump or fall above 20%) and no available conflicts, ranks reserve the right to ask for screenshots as part of an effort to ascertain validity. Failure to show sufficient evidence may result in the report being classified as "incomplete".

Executive Order 234345.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

12-Jul-2016 07:52:41 - Last edited on 12-Jul-2016 07:53:50 by Sea King

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Clarification: Incomplete reports will not result in kick/ban. If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

12-Jul-2016 07:54:50

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Due to some complaints, I'm instituting the following rights for players:

1) right to face one's accuser
2) right to a speedy resolution (i.e. no action or discussion is taken within 72hrs)
3) right to remain silent
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12-Jul-2016 19:55:40

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Master Rocky said:
DP Rawx said:
I resign from my volunteer work in the FC's "R Quark" and "Th rares pc".

I started with pcing in "R Quark" because I wanted to do something extra while doing some afk skills. When i reached "Lieutenant rank" in "R Quark" i helped out Motherland and New Years to start a FC for Th rares. Through the efforts of many it became a real FC and i even made it to a "Lieutenant rank" in here.

Now the time has come to stop, i resign from the FC's and will retreat from the rares market.

I loved to pc, but my real life job, sick girlfriend an my 2 kids are taking there toll. I'm to tired in my head. When I 'm playing I want to do it on autopilot and not have too much to think about.

GF White Phat

Real life first! It's been a pleasure "working" with you and I wish you and yours the best. Your efforts will live on in what you've helped to make the TH Rares FC become.


Dp Raw*

Demands from reality always trumps Runescape. I'm sorry to hear that you have to deal with the problems you mentioned above. On behalf of the Th Rares Enterprises and everyone there, I would like to thank you for your dedicated service over the past several months. It was a pleasure having you on board and you will be greatly missed in the days ahead. Good luck in your new adventures in life.

Best Regards,

Motherland
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15-Jul-2016 07:06:40 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2016 07:07:04 by Sea King

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Teamwork Clause:

In an effort to promote team spirit and cooperation, it is expected that ranked members of the FC act as a unit (or a team). In the case of potentially inflammatory rank vs. rank. disputes, every effort should be made to resolve the dispute privately. A public discussion of the dispute should be reserved as a last resort if all else fails. In no circumstance is it allowed for a ranked member to treat another disrespectfully by undermining his or her authority in public.

Executive Order 853346
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15-Jul-2016 07:13:35

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Names up for promotion:

cyderman, master rocky, who la who, showtek
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15-Jul-2016 08:24:14

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Aotd said:
I'm out too. The "coowner" has abused his position for the last time for me to care anymore to help this FC.


FYI, I didn't plan on firing you. It was a group decision made by every rank present at the time. Apparently, tonight's incident was only the tip of the iceberg for you.

Volunteering isn't a license for you for you to create drama in the FC when everyone agrees that the best course of action is to first discuss any rank vs. rank issue over in PM. If you can't abide that rule, then no one wants you here.
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15-Jul-2016 08:30:34

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Aotd said:
8F said:
...

The only reason I stayed on with FC and New Years was because I thought motherland was gone since he told me he sold the fc to new years. If he leaves I will again assist the players, I care not for ranks.


Aotd,

I've been around since 2013 when I created SOF Rares PC and stayed on as co-owner after New Years joined Th Rares Enterprises. Clearly, you were not happy that you were passed off over New Years, who was more than generous to offer you a place in the new FC after you threatened to name and shame him on Reddit for his new position. In contrary to your statement, you stayed on until your termination last night.

As in any clan, trash talking is not allowed and certainly not when directed at another rank. I was well within my rights as administrator to fire you after you decided to go rogue against rule established by the ranks present last night and took it upon yourself to do whatever you please without any regard towards to basic respectful dialogue (I do have the screenshots that I wouldn't repeat in polite company).

For the others who are reading this open letter, what is this specific rule that Aotd is so angry about? Long story short: the rule requires all ranks to initially attempt to resolve any rank vs. rank disputes over PM before talking about it in the FC and creating drama in the FC. How "abusive" is that?

Now Aotd, you claim to "CARE" about the people in the FC and "do not care" for your rank. And yet, last night, after losing your rank, you deleted the most recent PC lines that everyone was looking for on forums. Was this sabotage attempt supposed to be some kind of protest? Nothing but your bitterness is barring you doing what you claim to care about: PCing. You are welcome to drop by any time to PC.

-Motherland

P.S. Fortunately, Cyderman was able to recover the price updates despite your failed attempt at sabotage.
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16-Jul-2016 08:04:32

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The above contains the last remarks I will say about this on the Forums. If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

16-Jul-2016 08:05:47

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Everyone,

I would like to introduce to you all the new official spokesperson for the FC: Stanley Nz. Stanley Nz, who is heading the Office of Public Relations, is here to help with any public inquiries on the Forums and in-game and to provide information about the FC and its rules. If you have any questions or comments, please leave a message here and Stanley Nz will get back to you as soon as possible. Alternatively, you can contact Stanley Nz directly in-game.

-Motherland
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17-Jul-2016 00:30:42 - Last edited on 17-Jul-2016 00:31:01 by Sea King

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@master rocky

Thanks for the note.

Here's the updated list of people up for promotion:

Stanley **
cyderman
master rocky
who la who
showtek
demigod01
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17-Jul-2016 06:04:06

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Mimic cape dropped big time, but not as bad as gem cape token.

Any reason as to why mimic cape dropped?

Could it be due to the fear of this item from being re-introduced?


mimic capes should be worthless since you can resell... whereas gem capes cannot be done so if you use the token.


Yes with a gem cape you can consume it but it should be the one that should worthless, since this item was re-introduced unlike any other rares ATM. Most players buy items to wear and then dump it back into g.e. Only few would buy an item that will stay with you forever.


This is part of what makes the Cape Cosmetic (not token) desirable, It is a very rare item to be seen. Tomorrow is Tuesday. Let's see which item takes a hit next.


Bet you 100m that nothing will happen this Tuesday. There is ZERO basis supporting an assumption that re-release is a weekly phenomenon. If I randomly gave you 10m today, are you seriously going to camp 24 hours next Monday for me to show up with another 10m?


They called it SECOND CHANCE TUESDAY. Do you really think they'd give it a name like that but only use it as a one-time event? Oh Motherland,, your logic is amusing :)

A random one-time event wouldn't be identified as the weekday it happened to land on. Do we call it "Falador Massacre Monday"? No that wouldn't make sense because it was a one-time only event. But when we attach a day of the week to an event, like Second Chance Tuesday, we have basis to believe it will be back, on a Tuesday


They didn't call it last chance... They called it second chance which means a third chance could be under away. RIP gem.


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19-Jul-2016 01:23:48

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They didn't call it last chance... They called it second chance which means a third chance could be under away. RIP gem.


Well most people around here know you're trying to drive down gem cape prices by now :) Rip credibility.


That is fine. Almost everyone are also trying to drive this junk up. So best not to look an individual but whole. The guy I replied too are those who are trying to find ways to put people into traps. I have the right to post my views. If people are unhappy then feel free to ask a fmod to review my comments. The owner of the thread hasn't judged a single of my posts otherwise he would by now.

It is logically to say a third chance could be under away, as second chance does not imply a last chance. Tell me what is wrong here?


I didn't accuse you of anything, I just said you're trying to drive prices down (most posts you've done). Correct me if I'm wrong :) I dont say you are not allowed to do that. This is still a discussion thread. Only wanted new people to read your posts with caution.


You are one of the respect players I have seen on FC and forums. Sorry if I misunderstood you in the wrong way.

I apoligise in advance.

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19-Jul-2016 01:25:38

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Class Action Lawsuit: John Doe(s) Vs. Ramesses II and Viibe

The Honorable Motherland presiding...

Defendants: Ramesses II, Viibe

Plaintiffs: TO BE NAMED*

*If you posted a price report that indicates you sold a SOF/TH rare between July 12th 0:00 GMT and July 19th 0:00 GMT, then you may be eligible for monetary compensation for your financial loss.

Complaint: The above named defendants are charged with

1) conspiracy to commit fraud
2) price manipulation

BECAUSE there is ZERO evidence supporting a claim that Jagex will re-release more TH rares on July 19th 0:00 GMT.

Arguments from both sides will be heard on this thread until July 22nd 0:00 GMT.

Failure to present an argument will result in default judgment.

After reviewing the evidence and hearing the relevant testimonies, a jury of 12 randomly chosen players from 'Th Rares Pc' will decide the guilt or innocence of defendants.
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19-Jul-2016 01:44:20

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Just to clarify, "loss" is defined as the amount of money lost by selling TH rare during the time between July 12th 0:00 GMT and July 19th 0:00 GMT versus the price of TH rare at July 19th 1:00 GMT. If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

19-Jul-2016 01:48:23

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ELITE STACK said:
Lost 15m on a gem cape bought for 140m sold for 125m. Also lost 4m on a mimic tongue cape inb 639b ins 635s.

Also made 40m on 2 gem capes during the panic so I'm not sure how this would work. Overall I haven't lost much but there have been a few losses. So A total of 19m lost and from losses. I may have lost more but I can't remember much.


Make sure you are able to show me where you posted your price report on those sales if you are seeking compensation. Warning: do not try to edit your post. Posts edited after the announcement of the trial do not count.
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19-Jul-2016 01:53:06

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ELITE STACK said:
Page 56 is the mimic cape on sof I ins for 635m flat I remember And I think my buy on mimic cape was 638,890,000. Could not find the gem cape one tho but typed in the fc at the time. Gem cape was bought 140m flat and sold 125m flat.


Ok, you are not eligible since you just informed in-game that your actions were not influenced by the defendants.
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19-Jul-2016 02:04:28

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I find it funny how many people are trying to negatively manip this item. I even saw a spam bot being used in the Treasure Hunter price check friend chat spamming manipulation comments.

Why are people so intent on pushing this item down? Do they talk it down then buy up as much as they can then not mention it so it rises again to sell and repeat? Or does it naturally rise?

Id say the later.

With things like this going on, its really hard to take negative comments about the item seriously.
So please, don't try to pass off your opinions on the item as fact, it is not.

Shopkeeper I think your more or less on the right track, the drop seen from the reintroduction of the items does make it more achievable to a wider amount of players. And the lower the price gets, the more likely people will decide to consume the cape.


In contrast, I also find it funny how people positively manipulate this item (opposite from your first sentence). As far as I am concerned, I see no negative manipulation but rather players stating their opinions. The truth is gem cape token was re-introduced, which had long been rejected by OP and those who invested in this item. Additionally, a solid argument from the investors stating the 100/4h for easy hoarding etc. died when it went to 2/4h. The investors then found another way by saying that it will be consumed 24/7 when it reaches 200-300m. Once again their opinion did not come true as the cape dropped. The only option they may have now is the cape looks beautiful. If it does then consume it????????


Quoted for trial. Exhibit C.
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19-Jul-2016 02:20:43

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Ramesses II said:
Seriously motherland?

This is beyond pathatic for forwarding this court hearings on item discussion. All these discussions are based on opinions. It is the persons fault for making the final decision on what they do with the item. Everyone has the right to speculate future updates on these items.

Please grow up. Don't accuse me of price manipulation.

Because I have all the screenshot about you on all the conversation we had few months ago. Didn't you forget that??? I don't want to expose you so it's best to leave me alone.

Thank you.


I'm not here to decide whether the charges stick or not. A jury of your peers will do that. By the way, it never looks good when the defendant tries to blackmail the judge presiding over the trial.
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19-Jul-2016 02:24:26

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Ramesses II said:
Read my top thread.


So far though, no one is stepping up to claim that your talk persuaded them to sell for a loss. Strong chance that nothing will happen to be honest because a lot of people who sold 1) did not report their trade; 2) won't admit that they were duped.
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19-Jul-2016 02:26:39

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Ramesses II said:
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Seriously motherland?

This is beyond pathatic for forwarding this court hearings on item discussion. All these discussions are based on opinions. It is the persons fault for making the final decision on what they do with the item. Everyone has the right to speculate future updates on these items.

Please grow up. Don't accuse me of price manipulation.

Because I have all the screenshot about you on all the conversation we had few months ago. Didn't you forget that??? I don't want to expose you so it's best to leave me alone.

Thank you.


I'm not here to decide whether the charges stick or not. A jury of your peers will do that. By the way, it never looks good when the defendant tries to blackmail the judge presiding over the trial.


I have lost faith in you.


It's not personal. I went through the thread and found the quotes that could be construed as manipulative without any factual basis. Unfortunately, you were among the ones there.
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19-Jul-2016 02:32:24

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I find it funny how many people are trying to negatively manip this item. I even saw a spam bot being used in the Treasure Hunter price check friend chat spamming manipulation comments.

Why are people so intent on pushing this item down? Do they talk it down then buy up as much as they can then not mention it so it rises again to sell and repeat? Or does it naturally rise?

Id say the later.

With things like this going on, its really hard to take negative comments about the item seriously.
So please, don't try to pass off your opinions on the item as fact, it is not.

Shopkeeper I think your more or less on the right track, the drop seen from the reintroduction of the items does make it more achievable to a wider amount of players. And the lower the price gets, the more likely people will decide to consume the cape.


In contrast, I also find it funny how people positively manipulate this item (opposite from your first sentence). As far as I am concerned, I see no negative manipulation but rather players stating their opinions. The truth is gem cape token was re-introduced, which had long been rejected by OP and those who invested in this item. Additionally, a solid argument from the investors stating the 100/4h for easy hoarding etc. died when it went to 2/4h. The investors then found another way by saying that it will be consumed 24/7 when it reaches 200-300m. Once again their opinion did not come true as the cape dropped. The only option they may have now is the cape looks beautiful. If it does then consume it????????


Quoted for trial. Exhibit C.


You decided to obtain a post that was in a different thread. Beyond pathetic. Well done. I guess I will have to speak to New Years whenever he is o
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19-Jul-2016 02:35:55

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Ramesses II said:
I look forward for the trial. I guess I got trapped whilst pis2ol is innocent.

Unlucky me.


If you can find evidence on the forums on pis2ol, then she will be a defendant too and possibly replace you (if pis2ol looks like the lead actor).
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19-Jul-2016 02:47:31

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@Ramesses

Resign from what? New Years and I fired you months ago after J mod named you as price manipulator. Despite all this, I was for you not being banned from the FC in light of your previous service and even possibly ranking you back again at a future time after you have been rehabilitated.

Read my forum signature. Pretty much says I'm against some of the people in that clan and the corruption there. Everyone knows that I was attacking that clan back during the day e.g. several months ago. Unfriendly relations with some of those people there is not a secret. Since then, it's been much more peaceful now.

The FC rules of 'Th Rares Pc' applies equally to everyone within the FC. Elsewhere, it's the jurisdiction of Jagex, player, and forum moderators.

So, if you have a complaint about me breaking an actual rule in 'Th Rares Pc', then post the violation. If you have a complaint about me breaking a forum/in-game rule, report me to the moderators.
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19-Jul-2016 04:22:02

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Ramesses II said:
Firstly, I asked both of you to de-rank me. Secondly, I agree that you kept me but now you are accusing me of manipulation for some speculation, in which everyone do daily. This was a bad attempt. I don't need to report anything to anyone. The best person is New Years.

If he won't accept it I will show it to those who uses your FC to know who you really are.

We had a private message and you know the listed above is things you remember.

To late, you picked the wrong guy. I am going to defend my case just like you putting allegations toward me. We had no problems together and I was happy to have you as a great friend but you finally took this step. I don't have faith in you and I will have to end it here.

I am done with your FC and I will do whatever I can to push my evidence forward.


You never showed up since April or May. You were done ages ago. Honestly, blackmailing ranks is so wrong that I should take action against that, except there's no rule specified earlier about it. I'm going to restate the FC rules and players' rights below so that no one has to go around digging through the past 10 pages.
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19-Jul-2016 04:40:25

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Restatement of FC rules summarized from the past 10 pages:

1 All runescape rules.
2 No spamming / trolling, this will result in a warning before a kick is warranted.
3 Offensive language will not be tolerated in the FC.
4 Do not give false prices (manip).
5 Offtopic is allowed, as long as it does not interfere with PC requests and updates.
6 Trending is not allowed.
7 Players with an offensive name should change their names before entering the FC.
8 All updates are assumed to have taken place in the last 5 minutes unless stated.
9 Wrongful kicks are subject to a fine equivalent to a fish mask payable to the Kick Victims Fund, which distributes compensation to those players who have been wrongfully kicked.
10 Ranks may not be permanently demoted without due process. However, pending an investigation, ranks may be demoted temporarily.
11 Trading (without quantity or price) of TH rares is allowed in FC.
12 No promotion will be made on the basis of anything except approximate pcing hours.
13 Do not ask for PCs repeatedly within the course of several minutes, especially if you have already received a PC recently. (Application of this rule is subject to rank discretion.)
14 Kick appeals must be sent within 72hours of the incident to a rank different from the rank who is involved in the incident.
15 If in doubt with any of the details (e.g. timestamp), do not use the report to update the PC. Call it the "no guessing" rule (Executive Order 522030).
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19-Jul-2016 04:41:00

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16 Reports of average price sold/bought for multiple items are NOT accepted because the report does not reveal the exact price of which the item was sold for. At best, some price bounds can be inferred but that's it.
Actions that, without actual evidence, directly promote the claims made by individuals who have been documented for price manipulation may be construed as aiding and abetting known price manipulators. Being an accessory to price manipulation is tantamount to price manipulation itself (Executive Order 522031).

For example, it's perfectly fine to confirm a report (e.g. I sold gem cape for 243m 20 minutes ago) made by a player who is known for price manipulation. However, it's not acceptable to advertise as the truth uncorroborated claims made by a player who is known for price manipulation.
17 During times of extreme volatility (e.g. a price jump or fall above 20%) and no available conflicts, ranks reserve the right to ask for screenshots as part of an effort to ascertain validity. Failure to show sufficient evidence may result in the report being classified as "incomplete" (Executive Order 234345).
18 In an effort to promote team spirit and cooperation, it is expected that ranked members of the FC act as a unit (or a team). In the case of potentially inflammatory rank vs. rank. disputes, every effort should be made to resolve the dispute privately. A public discussion of the dispute should be reserved as a last resort if all else fails. In no circumstance is it allowed for a ranked member to treat another disrespectfully by undermining his or her authority in public (Executive Order 853346).
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19-Jul-2016 04:41:49

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Constitutional Rights:

A 'player' is anyone who plays RS. A 'visitor' is anyone who plays RS and visits the FC. 'Due process' requires that accused be given the opportunity to know their accuser and present evidence in their defense.
1 Every Player is entitled to free speech to the extent allowed by Jagex and to the extent that it does not interfere with price reporting operations.

2 Players shall not be removed from the FC or banned from the FC without due process. One exception is made to the situation where the alleged transgressor presents a clear and immediate danger to others (e.g. spamming).

3 Visitors are not subject to retaliation by the FC for their personal perspectives.

4 No legitimate trade reports shall be ignored in price reporting (no matter what the ranks of the FC believe where prices are headed.)
5 Right to remain silent
6 Right to face one's accuser
7 Right to a speedy resolution (i.e. no action or discussion is taken within 72hrs); otherwise, the statute of limitations invalidates the complaint.
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19-Jul-2016 04:42:07

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Just updated the 1st page of the thread to reflect the restated rules and rights. If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

19-Jul-2016 04:45:13

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@ramesses,

Go show whatever you have to whoever you think even cares. The FC rules and the rights of players are pretty clear about player conduct.

Under my management, the FC has thrived with price manipulators and other rule breakers kept in check with the least amount of force (i.*. no police state) and the maintenance of a free community where visitors and ranks can share and discuss ideas freely. If you are not happy about that, then feel free to go somewhere else.

While just about any other admin would have banned you already for what you have said, I'm committed to following the rules of the FC, which tolerates free speech to the extent allowed by Jagex and to the extent free speech does not interfere with PCing operations.

I'm not afraid of criticism, especially it means standing up against someone who has been named a price manip already by Jagex and has tried to blackmail me.

These are my last comments on this topic. If you have anything else you wish to add, feel free to contact Stanley Nz at the Office of Public Relations.
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19-Jul-2016 05:00:45

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Trips said:
Thanks for the good read guys.
On a side note, Zipl can vouch that I bought his gem capes and panic sold because people were manipping the price in the fc/forums. Do I qualify for compensation?


Are you willing to state that you sold because of the manipulative actions of the defendants? If so, provide some detail please.
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19-Jul-2016 07:15:56

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ZipL said:
I believe he sold the cape for 240s to show the manips the real price. Was basically a sale to update the price to stop the bickering. Just my opinion, will see what Trips says on why he sold.


Well, those people are already banned. It's possible that if compensation is paid, they could be unbanned.
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19-Jul-2016 07:32:28

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Looks like no one is wanting to step forward to say that they got manipulated into selling last week. If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

19-Jul-2016 07:36:37

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The charges have been dropped since the defendants have been held in contempt of court. If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

19-Jul-2016 08:02:22

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Well, it's some pretty sucky armor (0 defense).

That said, either one is fine with me. But I suppose Dp Rawx's suggestion is shorter, so easier for all to pc.

This is assuming we don't get gem armor later lol.
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20-Jul-2016 05:30:40

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Given some confusion among ranks, I'd like to issue the following Rounding Clarification:

All reports will be rounded according to what your elementary school teacher has taught you (e.g. 0.5 rounds to a 1, 0.4 rounds to 0 NOT 1).
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24-Jul-2016 04:01:24

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Thanks to all who provided constructive feedback. I honestly didn't expect so many responses. Typically, when anyone talks about 'rounding', they refer to the 'rounding' that Mrs. Doe taught them in grade school. Hence, this is the line of thinking for some nonranks and new ranks who frequent the FC.

That said, there has been a strong tradition of "voodoo" rounding for the past few years in Runescape. This form of rounding specifies that instant buy is rounded up and instant sell is rounded down.

When the issue of the two ways of rounding was presented to me, I was given the impression that there was substantial support for Mrs. Doe's rounding over "voodoo" rounding. Personally, I don't really care either way: Mrs. Doe or voodoo.

So, for the sake of consistency, let's go back to "voodoo" rounding.
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04-Aug-2016 22:53:32

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Tren said:
A whole lot of posts here have been removed.

Just because this thread is in the Clan Forums and not in the Item Discussion Forum, it doesn't mean that the rules in here are different than in any other other forum. The Code of Conduct still applies in this forum, which includes "no naming and shaming". That applies to screenshots as well, as I explained on the ID thread:
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You may not use the forums to make accusations against other players by name, whether you have a screenshot or not. As screenshots can be edited and manipulated, Jagex has never accepted them as evidence of wrong doing, and they may not be used on the forums to support accusations.

Clans, and by extention FC's, are allowed to post a banned or blacklist, but it may only contain names. If they are posted with reasons or accusations, then those lists will be removed. If you wish to have a "trial" or discussion on who should or should not be on such a list, that needs to happen in game, not on the forums.


Thanks for the clarification. The proceedings of all future trials will be held in-game then. I will keep a list of persona non grata and other offenders on here as per the specifications described above.
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09-Aug-2016 05:08:30

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Wouldn't it be nice if people treated each other courteously and with respect when discussing TH rares?

So here's what I'm thinking:

if a person makes an "ad hominem" (i.e. directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining) attack, then the said person is subject to the following penalties:

1) for the 1st offense, denial of PC requests for a time period of no longer than a month
2) for additional offenses, in-FC mute for a time period of no longer than a month (violators of the mute are subject to kick and possible ban)

A list of bad people can be kept on this thread.
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09-Aug-2016 05:12:54

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Trips said:
Tbh with all these minor rules and penalties you'll end up pushing away most of your everyday fc members...


By the lack of responses and the fact that this new rule would apply to like only 7 people, the overwhelming majority of good folks won't be affected. Some ranks have complained to me recently about serving players who repeatedly treat them with disrespect on the forums, and since it's really up to the PCer reserves the right to give PCs/or not, one can say that the 1st penalty is already in effect and is now being codified.

Won't really affect you two since both of you never show up.
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09-Aug-2016 21:43:59

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@trips, besides, at least I'm not adopting out your rule that KOSes people for writing criticism on the forums If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

09-Aug-2016 21:46:30

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Effective today, anyone reported to have made an "ad hominem" attack with regards to th rares discussion on the forums will be temporarily muted in FC.

Executive Order 327546
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

11-Aug-2016 03:47:28 - Last edited on 11-Aug-2016 03:48:38 by Sea King

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12-Aug-2016 20:17:00

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Tren said:
A whole lot of posts here have been removed.

Just because this thread is in the Clan Forums and not in the Item Discussion Forum, it doesn't mean that the rules in here are different than in any other other forum. The Code of Conduct still applies in this forum, which includes "no naming and shaming". That applies to screenshots as well, as I explained on the ID thread:
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You may not use the forums to make accusations against other players by name, whether you have a screenshot or not. As screenshots can be edited and manipulated, Jagex has never accepted them as evidence of wrong doing, and they may not be used on the forums to support accusations.

Clans, and by extention FC's, are allowed to post a banned or blacklist, but it may only contain names. If they are posted with reasons or accusations, then those lists will be removed. If you wish to have a "trial" or discussion on who should or should not be on such a list, that needs to happen in game, not on the forums.


Ban list and mute list made pursuant to Moderator's guidance above.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

13-Aug-2016 04:56:48

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Ramesses II said:
Thank you Tuffypower.


Ban list adjusted, see page 3, nearest post I could find since page 1 is full. Ramesses ii has been removed.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

13-Aug-2016 23:13:40 - Last edited on 13-Aug-2016 23:33:26 by Sea King

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14-Aug-2016 17:32:42

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DP Rawx said:
Master Rocky said:
Suggestion...
those over 500m, which would mean rounding to the nearest 10m.


Proposed with same price examples:
Prices below 1m get 2 digits after the comma, (0.01b)
Prices below 10m get 1 digit after the comma, (5.6b)
Prices above 10m get no digits after the comma, (56b)

I agree with the white text and disagree with the red text. Why 10m and not the nearest m according the s or b rounding system?


I didn't actually make the rounding rules myself...it got carried over from copying and pasting from the thread ran by my former admin while I was away from the FC for a year.

This should be a good compromise between accuracy and proper incentives to report:

Prices below 500k are reported as <500k at PCer discretion.
Prices below 100m get 1 digit after the comma, (5.6b)
Prices above 100m get no digits after the comma, (565b)
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

19-Aug-2016 02:20:42 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2016 02:22:19 by Sea King

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@Master rocky

Since you chose to make this a public debate, I'm going to say the following:

1) Most reports come in from merchants or flippers who report to help their business. These reports have nothing to do with their feelings or attitudes with the FC. Case in point is the Discontinued Items thread, which enjoys tons of reports from people who fight to get their reports counted because it's profitable. Like if current disk pc is 500b, and one guy just sold for 450m noninstantly and is trying to rebuy for less, that guy would work very hard to make sure his 450m sale is counted.

2) Unless an item is worth 1gp each, the market will always have offers that are below and above other offers. That's a NEUTRAL fact of the market. As far as I'm concerned, free speech in the FC is allowed provided it is not "trending", "manip" as defined in previous posts, or insulting to any persons within the FC. If someone is offended by statement of a neutral fact of the market, then there is literally nothing anyone can do about it unless we want to start on a slippery slope of selectively censoring inconvenient facts.

3) In my decade-worth experience of merching, Person A who gets undercut by Person B may or may not choose to point it out. If Person A does, Person B usually has a positive reaction knowing that he "beat" Person A to a buyer. When I was flipping phats, flippers generally would feel very good, or even brag, about themselves overcutting or undercutting someone else. That's beating the competition.

4) When the FC was started, there were two main goals:

accurate and timely prices

AND

an end to the kind of corruption where ranks are given precedence over nonranks over a range of issues, from kicks to legitimacy of reports.

According to a neutral 3rd party on Forums, the FC scored top marks on its PCing quality while keeping kicks/bans to a minimum with ranks held to the same standard as nonranks.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

22-Aug-2016 00:01:24

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The above is all I have to say about this matter. Anywhere else, the admin would have called you a loser and thrown you on KOS just for annoying him. Here I have graciously spent extra time to respond to these meritless allegations with patience and reason. If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

22-Aug-2016 00:08:22

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Now another topic: gratitude. Let's not blow stuff out of proportion guys. I think everyone appreciates the updates we get from all our contributors. Unfortunately, good deeds in Runescape get rather easily forgotten...just look at my 20m drop party (hey, at least it wasn't a 2000m fake drop party), got only 3 thanks for it while it happened and about 12 curses at why I didn't drop a phat.

In recognition of what you have done for the FC, I have offered you a promotion, which you refused because you didn't seem to care. As you noted, I showered praise like MVC during the week when you were PCing a lot, but that still doesn't quite to be enough. So promotion isn't enough, praise isn't enough and you told me that you don't care about money either. I think you are way too strung up...people doing the right thing gets criticized or ridiculed all the time. In your case, no one is even saying anything malicious about you. But you go right ahead, lash out and lampoon at people every time a harmless comment gets underneath your skin.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

22-Aug-2016 15:43:13

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Maybe I should rant about how little gratitude people showed for my charity? One kid even asked whether my drop party was a prelude to a scam.

I don't think so.
If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

22-Aug-2016 15:46:03

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Go see the new thread typed up by New Years. It's a solid week's worth of work. If you are willing to chuck your most precious possessions like phats because someone said words like crashing/dying/quitting and then find yourself unable to rebuy for what you sold for, then you don't deserve to own a phat.

28-Aug-2016 05:10:48

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