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I often wonder why Jagex won't bring in an option so we can lock items to our accounts, this is separate to keepsake. This item/s would be locked to the account for the life of the account - I would pay big money for an option like this.

What are your thoughts on this?

Do you think it a good idea?

It's a bad idea, because it's not stopping the hacker from getting access to your account in the first place. There are far better protection methods, which prevent access in the first place, and which won't be a detriment to your own gameplay. Because that's another issue with this: regret. E.g. you might think you want to permalock your blue partyhat to your account, but then later you'd actually want to sell it or give it to a friend... except you couldn't anymore.


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Why won't this be brought in-game as extra security for those items we hold dearly, that we cherish?

Because it's literally not needed if the preventative protection methods are implemented as they should be, since the hacker would never even gain access to your account in the first place. This suggestion does much more harm to you than it does to the hacker.


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I know we have simi-good security, I feel it could be a hell of a lot better with a few extra bits and bobs such as locked bank items.

Right now, the biggest problem in Jagex's account security is how easy it can be to recover someone's account and completely bypass the authenticator. That needs to be fixed, rather than implementing stuff like this.
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23-Mar-2019 11:55:20

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The hacker gets hold of your account, you still have items in your account that you value - it's not all lost.

...or you could just use the preventative protection methods that don't allow the hacker to get a hold of your account in the first place.

The only people who would think this permalock idea is a good one are those who don't properly understand account security, because it's not random who gets hacked: unless Jagex itself fucks up somehow, in which case you should hold Jagex responsible (just like they were held responsible with the Mod Jed incident, and the affected people were reinstated their lost wealth), you won't get hacked if you properly secure your account with 2FA on both your email and RS account, unique passwords for both, and have common sense to not get phished etc.


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The only reason a hacker has gets hold of your account is to drop all your profitable possessions if they are locked to your account you won't have lost it all.

That's not true, even the hackers who are primarily motivated by money, are often found griefing their victims by e.g. destroying their untradeables, which yields no money to the hacker, or changing the account's name to something inappropriate, which likewise doesn't monetarily benefit the hacker.


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I would also like a separate money holder where you can hold money for 3 - 12 months and this also can't be broken until the times up <- we could do this for items as well.

Why, what for do you need to restrict your wealth like that? Runescape doesn't have a bank system that temporarily takes money from you and gives it back to you later with interest, so this would be just as useless as permalocking your items.
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23-Mar-2019 13:23:22

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This is a good money maker for Jagex as well. As I am sure people would pay for protection of items/gp.

The only people who would pay for this are those who don't understand account security well enough, and so they would be much better off being educated about how to really secure their accounts. As to moneymaking itself, sure, Jagex might make some extra money from this, but it'd be a scam that exploits those who don't know any better.

Remember, most of us are already paying $11 a month to play the game, and the currently available security methods are free, so any new ones should be free as well if you're a paying member.
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23-Mar-2019 13:25:37 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2019 13:27:29 by Blackwing

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As I said its valuable items, items you don't want lost so these items would not be able to be used in PVP type areas or there is a clause locked items used in this areas will not be saved.

If they weren't saved on those areas, then the hacker could just grief you and destroy your locked items, with the mentality that "if I [the hacker] can't have your items, then neither can you". Because like said, hackers like to grief their victims, even those who primarily do it for money.

And it's not just PvP areas either: any area in the game where you can die to monsters would be just as conflicting, because double graving is a thing. How would you solve that?
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23-Mar-2019 13:49:05

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I have very good account security, I don't go to dodgy sites or click on links but shit still can happen. Plus you may have others that use your PC, such as family members - your account is as safe as your pc and if you have others on your pc that is young, learning, don't give a dang - whatever extra measures can't be harmful as shit can happen to the best of us.

Common sense is a vital part of your account security, and if you play on a public PC, especially if it's used by people who are young enough to get tricked, then your account security is far from "very good". You should never play Runescape on such a PC, unless you accept the risks involved.

Again: if you have good common sense, and 2FA + unique password for both your email and Runescape accounts, then you won't get hacked unless Jagex itself fucks up. This idea is thus useless.
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23-Mar-2019 13:57:26

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As I said its valuable items, items you don't want lost so these items would not be able to be used in PVP type areas or there is a clause locked items used in this areas will not be saved.

If they weren't saved on those areas, then the hacker could just grief you and destroy your locked items, with the mentality that "if I [the hacker] can't have your items, then neither can you". Because like said, hackers like to grief their victims, even those who primarily do it for money.

And it's not just PvP areas either: any area in the game where you can die to monsters would be just as conflicting, because double graving is a thing. How would you solve that?

You can't destroy locked items, if they are locked to your account and can't be used in pvp type areas.

Items can be destroyed by double graving: dying with them, not reclaiming them, then dying again with other items, so that the previous ones get deleted.
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23-Mar-2019 13:59:08

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Like anything you pay extra for, this is another one, one that is a choice, one you don't have to have, one you may not have items you want to be locked to your account.

Once it's locked to your account that is it, there is no turning back, there is no combat with this item unless you keepsake it.

Remember back at the beginning when we talked about "regret"? Sure, this would be a "choice", but as with many choices in life, people sometimes regret their choices later, because they couldn't foresee the consequences at the time. E.g. when noxious staff was still best-in-slot, someone might've thought "I might as well permalock this to my account, since I'm always going to use it", until it no longer was BiS, at which point they would've wanted it back... except they no longer couldn't, leaving them with a useless item they no longer need.

And do you realize just what it'd mean in practice if the permalocked items could no longer be used in combat? Because combat can happen even outside PvP, it'd quite heavily restrict the use of the item. Most people would probably permalock their combat equipment, which then literally couldn't be used in combat, making them useless.

Honestly, as Tenebri suggested:


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maybe sleep then rethink this whole idea
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23-Mar-2019 14:13:01

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No, I like this whole idea.

I just lasped with the combat side of it, we all make mistakes I am sure you do to.

Your idea already fails completely on the basics of account security: if you have proper account security, you literally do not need this.


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why not?

If it's worded by Jagex so it's clear and understandable that the items that you lock to your account will be locked for the life of the account and that you can not combat with the locked item there is nothing to not like.

It doesn't matter how clearly you word it, some people will still come to regret it later, because they couldn't foresee the future. Just like the permanent ironman mode option, despite given in-game, isn't actually permanent, because the customer support can still remove it, for that very reason: people come to regret making that decision.
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23-Mar-2019 14:16:16 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2019 14:17:27 by Blackwing

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Why would you lock an item if you want to use it in combat O_o

and your first point locking an item (noxious staff) because you are always going to use it - you wouldn't lock it in the first place because once you have locked it you can't use it for combat O_o

The core idea with your suggestion is that the hacker wouldn't get your high value items: for many people, that is their combat equipment, such as their noxious weapons, or their T92s if they're that rich. You didn't even realize the conflicting issues with combat at first, so a random person coming to this thread, who only reads the first post(s), would think that they could permalock their combat gear without consequence, since you haven't even edited your opening post to reflect the things we've discussed.

Seriously though: if it's true that you're half-asleep at the moment, then go sleep, come back later and rethink this completely. Because replying to bits and pieces isn't going anywhere.
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