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Molly Weazly

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FiFi LaFeles said:

Thanks for reposting the JMod post, Lyrehca.
Awesome that Jagex use their own official forums to gather feedback ... oh wait .... :|


Yes thanks so much! I also found the reddit post and there are a lot of NXT users still complaining about performance and poor optimization. If everyone was proclaiming its brilliance instead of enumerating its flaws, I doubt we'd still have the Java client right now.

I don't want them to shelve NXT. I want them to make it work for everyone.

Jeremy Cheng said:
Now that I have a gaming pc, I fully support jagex removing java in september of 2020.


Lol JC! You're so cute. They won't have NXT optimized that soon. :P

01-May-2019 02:55:43

Molly Weazly

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Mod Shauny said:
Hey everyone,

First of all thank you Lyrecha for posting this!

This is an example of me posting something without having access to post straight to the Forums on my Mod account.

I've stickied this post and I'll relay all the feedback I've seen so far :)


Thank you for the glue Mod Schauny. And thanks again for creating this thread Lyrecha! :)

03-May-2019 23:29:05

Molly Weazly

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scousy said:
Is it possible to play osrs without Java? I still have it downloaded but I want to delete it because I don't trust it anymore. If so how can I remove Java properly?


I've been wondering about this too. Doesn't Jagex need to support OS with Java? I know it's not the same issue as it is with NXT and RS3 but I'm curious.

03-May-2019 23:30:40

Molly Weazly

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Whos-Dr said:
Trying out the Java client now, I can't believe how poor this thing's running. I can't even get a solid 50fps, every 32 blocks causes a notable large stutter. The draw distance makes moving without the minimap nearly impossible. All the icons in the bank look so dark and hard to distinguish - is that my elder divination body or a torag body?
There's no sharpness to the image, it all seems artificially blurry regardless of what settings I use.
Even the sounds don't play nicely, seem muffled compared to what I'm used to.

The only nice thing I can say is that the colours actually look pretty good in areas like Lumbridge, Varrock etc. The green grass is brighter, the brown on the trees is maybe nicer.

NXT definitely looks, runs and feels better overall to use on my system.

(Since so many people are doing comparisons, I didn't want to be left out, so have a perspective from the reverse!)


I never lag except when there's a ton of people. But I did think of something. I haven't updated Java on my computer for forever. Because previous updates always caused issues for me, I just stopped doing them. So the Java client works beautifully for me now. But maybe if I had done updates, I would have more of an issue?

08-May-2019 22:50:19

Molly Weazly

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Tumii said:
I don't know how anyone here can even run the java client, for me the java client is unplayably laggy/stuttery and takes forever to even just log in to the game or load new areas. The NXT client doesn't lag at all and I've never experienced anything but some minor graphical glitches, which I assume are only present due to Jagex having to make both clients compatible with the same environments. As far as I'm concerned removing the java client could only make NXT better.

My pc isn't even top of the line, I built it with cheap 2010 hardware in 2014, I can even run the game at max settings easily and hardly ever go below 60 fps. If your pc is so horribly bad that you can't run NXT then I don't know what to say. You can't expect Jagex to support a legacy client and decades old hardware forever.


I have absolutely no issue running the Java client. That said, once I stop hearing numerous complaints about NXT, I'll download it and try it. But I'm still waiting after all these years to hear it's optimized and running great. Cuz lots of peeps still have issues with it and I'm not willing to end my lag and stutter free, bug free and enjoyable gameplay to play a version that's not ready to go.

You think getting rid of the Java client will make NXT better? How do you know?

31-Jul-2019 03:41:33

Molly Weazly

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Well you don't have to call me ignorant because I would have dl NXT long ago if it weren't for all the issues I have heard about it.

I don't want to live in the past hence why I play RS3, but I also don't want to live in the lag that was Runescape when I first started playing. My game runs fantastically now and I enjoy playing it every day.

I know one day Java will be forsaken, but why would I choose to play a suckier version of the game I love?

I know you think getting rid of Java will make NXT even better but where's your proof? Show me proof and I'll support you. But so far you are just blaming Java for problems with NXT because that's what everyone blames the issues with NXT on.

01-Aug-2019 00:40:15

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Kings Abbot said:
Hmm said:

As for the wilderness view distance, I don't think it would be increased if Java was removed, it'd match the lowest draw distance NXT is capable of, which I think is still the same as Java, such as to ensure better specs don't make you a better pker by default.


Was going to say the same thing.
Even if the minimum draw distance on NXT is larger than that of Java, I don't mind keeping it the way it is. The Wildy isn't supposed to be safe, so not knowing if someone might be quite closeby without seeing him/her adds to the thrill and fear.

There are indeed things that Java causes NXT to be held back. There was an outfit some months ago that caused Java to crash if anyone within view was wearing it while NXt had no problems at all.

@Molly Weazly:
You can have a try with NXT and see if things go haywire for you. For the few people that complain there are a lot more that don't. Most NXT issues only happen on a handful of devices. I've got three devices (one more powerful than the other) and all three have no NXT-related issues.
If you encounter one issue doing your trial and report it, perhaps it is fixed by the time Java is removed? Otherwise it might only start bugging you when Java is gone with no option to avoid it anymore.


Well I think I'll have to try it now because it seems the Bank and Weapon betas won't work for the Java client. So I'll download it and see what it's like.

01-Aug-2019 15:47:55

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Well I finally installed NXT.

I haven't had an issue running it so far although it's only been 20 minutes.

But I do want to express my disappointment in the information on this website about installing it. Was hard to find and when I finally did figure out what to click all I got was a blank page. I had to log in to the Java client to use the link provided there to actually get to the installation pop up.

Not very encouraging for people who are reluctant to install it in the first place. You want people to at least check NXT out you should have an easy guide to download and install.

I just used your website and links.

03-Aug-2019 02:22:45

Molly Weazly

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Hmm said:
Message wiped as I've quit using the forums.


Oh sad to hear Hmm has quit. But Shauny has also quit.

I have tried the NXT client. I have found some bugs but not game breaking. I also haven't seen a big leap in game quality. I don't see an incentive to play NXT instead of Java.

If Jagex will lose a substantial amount of players by eliminating Java I can't see a reason to do that. It's been years. If they had a good enough reason, we would be on NXT only now. If there were only a 'handful' of Java players, we would be on NXT only now.

I know they like to throw Java client players under the bus, but if they didn't need or want the Java client it would already be gone.

At this point, I will adapt to whatever comes next but I don't believe it's in Jagex's interest to do anything to lose players.

23-Oct-2019 01:37:32

Molly Weazly

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Kings Abbot said:
vonSageworth said:
When I made this account, I just clicked on whatever client I was given How do I tell if I'm in Java or NXT?


If the graphics look good (or can be made to look godd in the settings) it's NXT. Java doesn't look as good.


That's not true. I cannot tell the graphical difference between the two. For me, Java works beautifully.

That said, NXT isn't causing the technical problems for me that others complain of except for a few invisible items that isn't an issue for me right now at least. So I'm not as worried for my own experience when they cut Java off, but I hear many complaints about it still. Hopefully, those issues will be taken care of before we lose Java completely.

To answer your question though, you would have needed to jump through hoops to get the Java client download. The default client download is NXT. Which is probably what you are playing.

Edit: To the people that think Java players are 'snowflakes' whatever the fuck that means, Java was running fine for them (Java players) and NXT wasn't. It was up to Jagex to optimize the client and they took their time doing so. And they very kindly kept the Java client going until NXT was ready. Now that it is, they gave people a heads up about Java's eventual removal. All in a grown up, mature, helpful way. Some people were crying about Java for the last few years but I guess they had to suck it up until NXT was ready to fly.

08-Nov-2019 04:44:18 - Last edited on 08-Nov-2019 04:59:05 by Molly Weazly

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I am Test said:

I personally think the Java client looks disgusting and is so laggy that it makes me not want to play anymore. Maybe we just have different expectations here. But so has the majority of players and that's what's important to a business like Jagex.


Java is on it's way out and we'll all have to adapt, but I just want to reiterate that Java for me has been beautiful and not laggy. We evidently all have very different experiences but one thing is for sure - we can't all lump each other into one big Runescape. Some people have problems with NXT and some have problems with Java. Maybe we should try to have each other's backs and make Jagex have their game be optimized for all players.

I have been playing on NXT and dealing with the minor issues as they crop up but I won't criticize Java as it has been a reliable and fun experience for me. Once it has been removed, I will feel bad for those whose NXT client isn't optimized and hope Jagex improves the client for them.

09-Nov-2019 04:08:29

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