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Lorelei

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Sand Traven said:
This thread has got a bit lol for a number of reasons, most of which I won't remember when I wake up from this virus-ridden state of mind.

But this and the land claims debate thread got me thinking about 42's history, and Lorelei's post brings us nicely back to it full-circle.

When 42 started, everything was private. All of it. Each roleplay, from plot to POC, from military order to cult, everything was private. And that's fine, you know, having a kingdom in private with a few buddies to play courtiers and knights.

Armanis Fael and Death Notion really ****ed everything up, didn't they? They're the ones who took these myriad tapestries and paintings and sketches of imagination, plot and lore and threw superglue and glitter over the whole thing, changing it forever. It's been six years and we're still doing things their way. Makes you think.


Theirs was the foundation that our community is now based on. A really ******, ugly blanket that people just kind of stitched together and went "voila!" and a bunch of other idiots came along and went "couture".

Because of that foundation, it's now difficult to get into W42's roleplay. If you're new, you know all the RS lore and you're like "RAD" and you jump in to a new gaming experience, you realize that you know nothing, all of a sudden. All that history you've come to learn, irrelevant, no longer applicable.

If you leave for a couple months, so much as has happened and there have been so many timeskips that you're now lost. Your best friend is 75 and you're still 23 but some other people are long dead and you're now interacting with their great-great-grandkids. Uh, what?

It's like we're still working in that strange world of private roleplay with extra-canons, and we essentially are.
I am going to break your arm so that the bone juts out and then I will stab you to death with your own insides. I will win this chess game, is what I am saying.

29-Apr-2016 01:12:45 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2016 01:20:59 by Lorelei

Lorelei

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You want to standardize something, you abolish POK/POCs from public roleplay. Keep the main NPCs, or reinstate their grandkids, w/e. We could figure out how to do it easily. We're creative folk.

Anything else is inadequate. The entire point between standardizing a system is to ensure quality, ease of operability (making things user-friendly) and ensuring compatibility.

There's no way to do that but to make the standard the foundation that JaGeX has given us, which isn't really the case right now. We all know the lore and the timeline, and it's easy to search if we don't: the resource is easily available, we all know the RS wiki, but not all of us know or use the RSRP wiki. Resources for W42 canon are far, far more convoluted, which makes them too difficult to standardize.

So there you have it. We wipe the board by way of plotline, and progress from there. It wouldn't even be a huge deal. Say you have a group of antagonists. It's dealt with by PCs and maybe a few NPC* but no one too high ranked because the higher ups are busy: there's a God War. Saradomin is whispering in Sir Vey Lance's ear. You think he has time to deal with the 90th resurgence of the Sicarius? He's a Temple Knight. He has **** to do. But maybe he still mobilizes a unit of TKs to do something, because that force can be spared.

You see, hopefully, where I'm going with that. People at the Wizard Tower might want to help in a world crisis, but can't, because bureaucracy can bring any system to a halt and bogs down good intentions. Your wizard is frustrated. Do they want to leave the Tower, and everything they've known, for the sake of doing something they believe in? Your choice.

There's plenty of room to do things within that standardized system, plenty of ideas that can blossom.
I am going to break your arm so that the bone juts out and then I will stab you to death with your own insides. I will win this chess game, is what I am saying.

29-Apr-2016 01:25:35 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2016 01:35:54 by Lorelei

Sand Traven

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Lorelei said:

So there you have it. We wipe the board by way of plotline, and progress from there.


EDIT: Just read that all back, that was a bit weird. I just needed some air and a glass of water, I'm better now. Ignore the stuff about Islamic State, it probably wasn't the same guy.

I'm going to bed. But I think Lorelei's right.
One man's trash is another's treasure, and one man's cash buys another's pleasure.
So I'll rob from the cradle, and I'll rob from the grave; it's just human traffic, and I'm just a slave.

29-Apr-2016 01:39:31 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2016 01:55:48 by Sand Traven

Lorelei

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Sand Traven said:


"The first rule of Project Lorelei is: you don't talk about Project Lorelei."


The entire, underlying idea behind that set of rules is that it was to be broken.

But yes, I know it's not going to happen, but that wasn't the point. The point was to make people realize that they don't actually want true standardization. If they did, then they wouldn't be advocating this one. A lot of people feel like they lose out on taking the road that I'm proposing, thus betraying themselves and proving that they are not people that I would like to play with. They weed themselves out by posting. Rubes.

The people that agree, or at least understand where I'm coming from, tend to be people I like. Coincidence? Some of them, I might have problems with, or used to, but that doesn't make me like them any less. It just means we have history. I don't have a long enough memory for arguments and disagreements to be vindictive anyway.

Saying that it'll never happen isn't a defeatist view, either, it's an experience one. We've had these discussions before. We've tried to push it in the past. It never worked. However, the community is in a beta change, and always evolving. Maybe people will realize and understand the arguments, and decide they want to do it, too. Unlikely, but possible.

We'll see.


Sand Traven said:
Lorelei said:

So there you have it. We wipe the board by way of plotline, and progress from there.


EDIT: Just read that all back, that was a bit weird. I just needed some air and a glass of water, I'm better now. Ignore the stuff about Islamic State, it probably wasn't the same guy.

I'm going to bed. But I think Lorelei's right.


Lmao, take care dude.
I am going to break your arm so that the bone juts out and then I will stab you to death with your own insides. I will win this chess game, is what I am saying.

29-Apr-2016 02:00:28 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2016 02:01:51 by Lorelei

Rexost

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It's the insane back and forth of in and out of character politics that made me create
Rend Sul'damane
and just troll the **** out of people for the last few months I Roleplayed in the first place, and let me tell you, playing a character with NO regards for politics, sanity, physics, or even land was breathtakingly simple and beautifully enjoyable. Because I felt free to simply ignore all of the "rules" of World 42 that we all wrap ourselves in so tight you could strangle a turtle. And turtles can breathe out their ******* rear end.

When I left 42, or whatever I did, it was because it was becoming that scene from the new James Bond movie.

The one where everyone sits around a table
Their faces hidden
No one speaks
And no music plays
For at least 8 minutes straight.

And I ain't about that life.
Edgar
=/=
Rex
=/=
Rend

#PraiseTuffty

29-Apr-2016 02:17:59 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2016 02:18:25 by Rexost

Spartae

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@Lor,

Honestly, when I think standardization, I more or less think of what you're describing. At least, I believe I'm on the same page. I'm interested in taking a step back and the idea of understanding the lore Jagex has given us.

Granted, I do imagine it'd go a step further - for example, in the game lore most herbs are useless on their own with no context as to how they make the changes in potions that they do. And I for one would like to have that explanation, because herbal application for medicinal purposes is a pretty common occurrence. I do, however, believe that it should be derived from the context clues the RS lore gives us.

If I'm on a totally separate page from you, then I apologize. I've always viewed RS RP as taking what we have from the lore, and attempting to derive that which is not explained when it's needed to be explained by utilizing context clues in the game. I.*. The most skilled magicians can utilize asphyxiate, a magical concentration by which they grip their foe and attempt to break them - it's in the game, so why shouldn't it be part of the canon?

That's how I view things. That's the sort of standardization I view - bringing the "Runescape" back to roleplay by grounding the RP atmosphere in the given Runescape atmosphere. Bringing some sense of fantasy, of possibility back.

Again, this is all hypothetical for me - I'm more or less an outsider right now and have been for some time. I'm intrigued in discussing the theory, and I hope that those with some initiative might make a positive, joyful impact in the way RP is done as a result of communicating these ideas and ideals they may have.

29-Apr-2016 05:44:57

Lorelei

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We've already taken a step back from what JaGeX has given us. We have been this entire time. So what you're proposing really doesn't interest me, at all.

As for the herbs, we know that some of them have applications. We just don't know what. That's the kind of thing that we can head-cannon quite comfortably, and have. That guide was written probably two or three years ago.

We're not taking what we have from the lore. Sure, the mainstream community is inspired by it, but it's just that: inspiration. The actual lore current events actually don't matter to most people because they don't roleplay on the JaGeX time-line at all and it's, more often than not, treated as an inconvenience to simply deal with and then get rid of.

As for the magic: of course it's a part of canon. No one is denying that at all. Those abilities are reflection of just that: it's an ability. It's something the adventurer uses because it's a part of their skill-set, and they used creativity to invent, essentially, spells and attacks. It's to be assumed that you can go wild with it, within the realm of reason.

The sense of fantasy never disappeared. The main setting is fantasy. There's a literal war between gods being waged, but you don't see kingdoms taking sides. You don't see recruitment drives or meetings about it. Because that plotline doesn't interest most people on W42, so they don't acknowledge it, even though it's a part of canon. Our canon deviated from main canon years ago, and it's probably never getting back on track, because people don't want it to be.

But it doesn't read as though you're advocating a removal of POC/Ks, which would be a return to canon.

Anyway, I'm probably not going to comment any further. I've addressed most of the points in this thread already.
I am going to break your arm so that the bone juts out and then I will stab you to death with your own insides. I will win this chess game, is what I am saying.

29-Apr-2016 06:22:30

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