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Solanumtinkr
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So there I was happily romping along on my daily run, thinking Sliske and his Endgame and our final showdown with him, when I had a thought.

Now let's say that Anima Mundi, even a mostly dea one might be able to tweak things to their advantage now and again and in some cases out right spawn them, Vorago and Telos. But then there is us. Yes we may have gotten there all under our own power, but we'd still have spawned in that Anima Mundi's backyard. And it wouldn't prelude it going "oooooh shiney!:D and tweaking. A catalyst for change.

That left me wondering about other world's meddlers. Now I know Freneskae is basically a dead world, but up until recently it had Mah for a jump start, and she was creating dreams that manifest physically. A dream would take very little to push, even for a dream of an Anima Mundi long gone.

So I wonder, could Sliske be one of these meddlers?
Are there others out there?
Have we met any, do you think?
Might that explain why between us we nearly burn the planet to the ground?:P

Worlds, Anima and meddlers, oh my!
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11-Jun-2016 06:48:29

Solanumtinkr
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On a side note: Any would be WG or meddler trying to revive Freneskae's Anima Mundi should start with the Living Rock Caverns for inspiration and colonists!


And no replies it seems! Well it just seems ot me that if on Anima Mundi can do it and less than perfect wanna Anima Mundi's can do it, that there might very well be more potential ones hopping about that we realise.

Probably should have put a vague title:P
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11-Jun-2016 06:51:52 - Last edited on 11-Jun-2016 16:15:20 by Solanumtinkr

Lego Miester

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I'm confused. Are you implying we and Sliske were deliberate anima manifestations by the world, like Vorago and Telos? Or that we're one of the catalysts for spawning such things, like antibodies trying to kill us for being such pests?

It is weird stuff, that anima. "The soul of the world" it's often described as, capable of not only creating life, but creating life with purpose. That purpose being to protect itself. Could Gielinor itself be "conscious" in a sense?

I have no idea if I'm even on the same topic as you at this point, but it was fun food for thought nevertheless.
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12-Jun-2016 09:27:38

Solanumtinkr
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Deliberation would require sentience and that I am not trying to support, as that detracts from what we've accomplished. I am saying that at times maybe such things try to fill a slot, not through though but through a hole in what keeps things flowing its natural coarse. Nature abhors a vacuum, so typically something moves into fill that niche.

Too many veggies chewing on the plants leads to a shortage and they start eating other stuff. A change in diet or a new mutation that leads to predatory behaviour. I think a "world soul" would find it much easier to fill a gap.

Oh and never forget there are far more layer to the Anima than just the physical. When a world does not have a "perfect" Anima Mundi intelligent mortals tend to spawn. I would suggest that elevating some as catalysts is it just stepping up its game. It's the shotgun approach. Blast away and hop for a hit.

If you look at it that way then Frenseskea has done just that, even if the dreams of Mah were doing the heavy lifting for what was basically a dying ember. yet our interaction there did the unthinkable and awoke Mah, a being her sisters left for dead and beyond hope. So looking beyond Zarosm would we have done what Sliske wanted in provided that vital spark? Though Mah looking to lay watste to the universe was probably not what he intended:P
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12-Jun-2016 09:42:39

Solanumtinkr
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Besides, look at the facts, Vorago failed to protect Gileinor when he was put to sleep by the Maul of Omens, A list of such beings, have not stopped the rising tide brought on by the God Wars. Guthix brought is some breathing room. I think the Tree Spirit Guardian was like us, just a passive with a narrow focus.

The 5th Age saw us rise to prominence and cut a bloody swath through the ranks of "bad guys", they can kill us over and over but we refuse to do anything as mundane as staying dead, not many things could enable that, the Anima Mundi had more than enough power to do that, far more. The afterlife would provide it all the connection it needs to reach us acorss the entire multiuniverse. This would also answer why Death lets us respawn, because the one who made him Death, not Guthix, is overriding him in this. In short his "boss" says otherwise... he just tries to balance the books.

Eventually this leads to the death of Guthix and the return of the gods. Yet devastation is not what happen, other than that minor incident at BoL. But note those who would cause the trouble....well, Bandos is dead, the gods plans to wage a 3rd Age style war has stuttered, and we are probably the focus of what catalysed that to happen.

And it now looks like the Anima Mundi is really stepping up its game. Tuska "the unkillable" is dead. And now it is seizing control of the Elder Needle through "Sally".

If it wasn't sentient before that maybe be changing, though more as a dream state that a waking one in nature. Though if you want to get twisted about it, we could be separate entities, yet be the Anima Mundi learning about itself. That would still leaving a place for someone like Sliske, as strange as it all sounds.

The Elder Sword was said to have broken trying to pierce the Void, who is to say that the Anima Mundi could not have lashed enough power into that sword to shatter it?
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12-Jun-2016 10:04:29 - Last edited on 12-Jun-2016 10:16:31 by Solanumtinkr

Trib
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As for Sliske.... Well, he is borne of Mah being a Mahjarrat and all.

As for us being Anima mundi learning about itself, well you are kind of right I think. We aren't a deliberate manifestation (if you aren't a fan of my theory that Anima in general is the formless elder god often discussed) but life is borne of Anima, much to the discontent of the Elder Gods who see life as wasteful. It's kind of like the idea given by Carl Sagan in real life when he said "We [humans] are a way for the cosmos to know itself".

I wanted to mention that each seperate plane has a different Anima Mundi, and life does not spring forth from an imperfect anima mundi but instead from an imperfect regulation of the anima which comes forth from the anima mundi. The Elder Gods meticulously attempt to regulate the flow of anima because without it, they would starve, and as such see life as wasteful.

As for your theory about there being a bigger boss who tells Death not to reap our soul, and controls Sliske, and manipulates us, and allows us to kill Tuska and incapacitate Vorago. Well, no. That idea just ignores too much of the lore and what we do know of it.

12-Jun-2016 16:20:25 - Last edited on 12-Jun-2016 16:21:34 by Trib

Solanumtinkr
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Trib said:

As for your theory about there being a bigger boss who tells Death not to reap our soul, and controls Sliske, and manipulates us, and allows us to kill Tuska and incapacitate Vorago. Well, no. That idea just ignores too much of the lore and what we do know of it.


I never said it tells anyone anything. But if we pop back in direct contravention to all known natural laws, yet all signatures point to a natural occurrence. Then topped with the fact Death is "chosen" from the first mortal to die to regulate further such occurrences, then an overriding set of rules, " a boss" of a sort is in place. But figuring these things out is bound to hit problems when whatever the cause is happens to be intangible, yet obviously able to construct things. Which if it is using the beings on the planet as its inspiration and spark, such constructions can suddenly be explained.

I wonder if that could be why gods are so desperate for everyone to follow them and do as they say or else, on a world. Otherwise such a being might work against them.
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12-Jun-2016 16:57:31 - Last edited on 12-Jun-2016 17:01:52 by Solanumtinkr

Ancient Drew
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I know I shouldn't be doing this on another thread, but I made a theory on the Living Rock Caverns ecosystem and how it affects the area of Asgarnia, Vorago included. I believe that ecosystems in general are cycles which naturally manifested to help generate anima, which would be the basis for Zaros saying that beings with awareness can generate good quantities of it.

Please feel free to take a look.
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12-Jun-2016 16:58:33

Sepulchre
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Death does have a master. Fate.
It's the classic Reaper lock. The Reaper cannot claim a soul unless Fate deems its time to have come. Everything is an agent of Fate, and everything is bound to Fate. That is how Death works.
Generally, there are two types of "Reapers" that appear in fiction/mythology:
1.) The Reaper is given guidelines on how to decide whether or not someone's time has come. They don't always have to follow them, but generally there is some higher power who keeps an eye on how Death uses its powers, and can intervene when Death gets out of control or isn't reaping enough souls. For the most part, in a universe where this rule applies, Fate itself is constantly being changed by multiple forces, Death itself being one of the major contributors to this, but each individual sentient being will have its own part to play, and can make small changes.
2.) The Reaper we have. This Reaper has no actual higher power that it answers to. Rather than that; Fate dictates, and Death is made aware, that someone's time has come. In most universes where this rule of Death applies, Fate is predetermined from birth/creation. However, many times there will be a few beings who are not bound by those laws fully. How this is determined varies from story to story, but in RuneScape I would say that the Anima, Elder Gods, even Transcendent Gods (Guthix) all have the power to do this. The World Guardian is one of these beings. We are more free to choose our path, and should it lead to an untimely death, Fate does not allow the Reaper to claim our soul.

With that in mind, that most likely means that yes; somebody or something has allowed us to be one of those beings.
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13-Jun-2016 05:21:45

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