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iXavior

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Seren has done some pretty questionable things in her past.

• She fooled the Mahjarrat into believing she was Mah, creating the tradition of the Ritual of Rejuvenation and making them sacrifice themselves, which eventually lead them to near extinction. (She did this out of love for Mah, of course, and wanting to save the planet from Mah's wrath.)

• She bound the elves into her soul using a dangerous ritual. Now if the elves are left deprived of her, they die. (She did this out of love for the elves. She wanted to give them longer lives to live. )

• When the elves did not want to leave Tarddiad to go to Gielinor, she forced their hand by depriving them of her presence, making them lust for her so badly, to the point where they literally leaped through the portal. (She thought Gielinor was a better place of them.

• She left the Cywir clan to rot. They turned delusional, wild, crystal shapeshifters.

• She caused the Dark Lord to be born and forced the elves into a civil war.

• When she exploded herself into millions of crystals, she probably permanently lacerated a bunch of elves and killed many others.

• She has...mood issues... Her banshee scream almost made many of the Mahjarrat in Children of Mah go deaf. Zaros even feared her wild emotions were strong enough to kill them all.

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So, despite all of this, is Seren redeemable as a character? How can she be redeemed?
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18-Dec-2016 08:19:22

Lethalintent
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I don't hate Seren. But she irks me.

All of her problems are projected onto Zaros, even when he tries to calm the situation down and offer help she tries to scream apart the planet. It's a sad sight to see, since other than her sibling issues I have nothing against her.

I just wish she'd "Lighten" up.
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18-Dec-2016 11:49:13

CakeRider

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Lethalintent said:
I don't hate Seren. But she irks me.

All of her problems are projected onto Zaros, even when he tries to calm the situation down and offer help she tries to scream apart the planet. It's a sad sight to see, since other than her sibling issues I have nothing against her.

I just wish she'd "Lighten" up.


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18-Dec-2016 12:27:30

Sepulchre
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There's no reason to ask this.

Regardless of her intentions, most of these things have already been fixed or long forgotten about. As for having a temper... she's female, that's just going to happen no matter what.
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18-Dec-2016 13:26:24

Cthris

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CakeRider said:
When she actually does something completely irredeemable on her own and fully understanding the consequences before hand this question might be relevant.

She foresaw, intended and understood the consequences of torturing the elves until they lost the ability to refuse her wishes to go to gielinor.

Also despite knowing, and understanding the consequences of abandoning the last elf clan, she still abandoned them, without even giving them all the information they needed to have an informed choice.

Trying to deprive people of freedom, and making them intellectual, and physical slaves is pretty non-redeemable in my books...

It's not like it was even her only choice. She specifically mentions she could have told the elves the truth, but she chose not to because of the risk that they might not love her. Clearly, Seren expects everyone else to make sacrifices but not her.

Sepulchre said:
As for having a temper... she's female, that's just going to happen no matter what.
What logic is this?? Even if what you say is true, and girls are condemned to life filled with temper, and moodiness, which I'm pretty sure is untrue, your logic is flawed.

She's not physiologically a girl, in both body and brain, (She's made up of light and divine energy, not the stuff girls are made of) so there is not tangible connection between her being a girl and having a temper. She has a temper because that's who she is.

18-Dec-2016 14:58:21 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2016 15:48:12 by Cthris

CakeRider

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Cthris said:

She foresaw, intended and understood the consequences of torturing the elves until they lost the ability to refuse her wishes to go to gielinor.

Also despite knowing, and understanding the consequences of abandoning the last elf clan, she still abandoned them, without even giving them all the information they needed to have an informed choice.

Trying to deprive people of freedom, and making them intellectual, and physical slaves is pretty non-redeemable in my books...


I too like to make up stuff that goes directly against what is mentioned in game to support my arguments.

18-Dec-2016 16:23:49

Cthris

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CakeRider said:
Cthris said:

She foresaw, intended and understood the consequences of torturing the elves until they lost the ability to refuse her wishes to go to gielinor.

Also despite knowing, and understanding the consequences of abandoning the last elf clan, she still abandoned them, without even giving them all the information they needed to have an informed choice.

Trying to deprive people of freedom, and making them intellectual, and physical slaves is pretty non-redeemable in my books...


I too like to make up stuff that goes directly against what is mentioned in game to support my arguments.

No need to be rude. You could have just asked me to source my arguments.

Here, I have included the transcript for you to read at your leisure.


I asked them to give up the world of their birth, to travel with me to a brand new world with me. They wanted to please me, but were reluctant to leave. They did not understand why they must, but to tell them would have shattered their innocence and trust in me. The only way I could convince them was to withdraw from them for a while, to deprive them of my presence. It was a cruel tactic - one that I regret even now - but it was a necessity. When I returned, their sickness had made them so desperate to be near me that they forgot all about their concerns of abandoning Tarddiad and agreed to come with me. It's for the best, I keep telling myself. I know what is best for them. Memory 7

18-Dec-2016 16:33:37 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2016 16:38:09 by Cthris

Lego Miester
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I can't hate her for her decisions, but I completely understand the Mahjarrat hating her for them. The Mahjarrat became the most power hungry, hated, infamous, cannibalistic species in runescape due to her influence.

If she's going to make it up to someone, start with them.
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18-Dec-2016 16:58:04 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2016 16:59:32 by Lego Miester

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