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Jexel L said:
Chaos, the main tenet of Zamorakian philosophy, is by its nature unpredictable and uncontrollable. It leads to the destruction of the current order, but there is no guarantee that the new one will be any better than what came before. In fact, it may actually be worse. Order is more reliable, more... focused. Your knowledge is made greater by the input of another, not used as a weapon to topple them. It is preserved, built upon... only through Order can true progress be made.


Chaos and Order are inherently neutral concepts, and the Zamorakian view of Chaos teters more on the definition of change than it does unrelenting disorder and barbarous anarchy. There is such a concept of controlled chaos (or deterministic chaos for you diehards), but I suppose this isn't the place to spark a discussion of dynamical systems for the likely one-or-two other people who wouldn't become bored to tears over such a topic.

Chaos isn't always a force of destruction, a concept all too many never seem to grasp. Think of it as the interjection of a non-linear thought or action; in sociological terms, this is the de facto reasoning behind the idea that progress in-and-of itself is even possible in any structured (ordered) society. Progress demands that some event, action, or idea be subversive in nature and against the status quo.

In a simple example, think Henry Ford. His ever-famous quote; "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses", applies here. Building on the foundation of a strong social order is a perfectly acceptable idea, but there will always be room for the inclusion of a radical way of thinking - say, a non-linear event, idea, or action. Dare the word be said? Chaos. It's why your local Mazda dealership doesn't stock horse-drawn carriages.
"All great changes are preceded by chaos."

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20-May-2016 21:46:03

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Now, in more RuneScape-y terms, how does this apply? For one, Zamorak or his philosophy don't call for the end of all forms of social order. In modern times, I'd say for anyone really looking for that "actions with no consequences, free to do what I damn well please" mentality are far better off under Sliske's banner.

Zamorak's always had structure and order to his following. Pretty much every group or order associated with him still has a hierarchy or some sort, and even with his aiding of the Avernic to free themselves from the Chthonians they still operate under their own hierarchical system. Zamorak's never been averse to the concept of Order by any means.

Given that Jagex has even gone as far as including the idea of unity in the face of adversity as a tenet of Zamorakianism, I wouldn't say it's entirely lacking in the collectivist department either. After all, even for all the emphasis on the individual seeking personal power, the ideology enforces the idea that a strong society is made of strong individuals. Again, an emphasis on at least some form of collectivism and of a workable society.

It all boils down to our own interpretations and views, sure. And anyone is free to hate the living crap out of Zamorak if they want, it's their choice. And I hope you wouldn't think I'm perpetuating some idea that I think Zamorak is some truly wonderful, the-total-bee's-knees, perfectly perfect deity with all this. The truth is he's quite a bit paranoid, particularly about having others turn on him. His sense of justice seems more akin to vengeance, and swears he will have vengeance on those who cross him. And he may not always be the shining paragon of his own philosophy. But I still deem him worthy enough of my own support, and no more or less flawed than anyone else in our divine pantheon. Ultimately, I see the most potential in his ideology, above all. Which I'm sure is the case for most players' decision on choosing whom to follow.
"All great changes are preceded by chaos."

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20-May-2016 21:46:17

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Raleirosen said:
Disagree.


Alright then. Incidentally the notes about progress were actually aligned more from the lens of sociology. Perhaps there was a better fitting analogy; but putting examples aside, the point of all that was to explain that chaos theory in application isn't always the uncontrollable element some may think.

Introducing a chaotic variable into an otherwise logical system doesn't mean the whole thing goes topsy-turvy, it can help in becoming a deterministic factor in predictive modelling, observing the events and patterns that arise out of the introduction of said chaotic variable - particularly in computer science.

Whether anyone agrees or disagrees with Zamorak, this seems to be his way of putting his ideology into action. It doesn't take much effort to realize that too many chaotic variables will likely have a terrible outcome, but when used as a parameter it can have a predicted and desired outcome (i.e. controlled chaos). In Moia's recount of the Book of the Gods' village story, Zamorak knew what his actions would result in; in its own way this was predictive modelling in action.

For Zamorak's philosophy to work on the whole, it would require the use of controlled chaotic variables. And this is something that I, personally, believe he does understand. You can't thrust someone into a situation where they simply cannot overcome the obstacle, but you can place a series of obstacles before them and build them up to that point. And those are the key words: build up. The ideology is based in self-improvement and building up a person to uncover their potential.

If Zamorak wasn't genuinely interested in the results actually living-up to the intention behind his philosophy, then he may as well spread chaos for chaos' sake; this would be Chaos without consequence, and as I said earlier, those interested in that are more fitting beneath Sliske's banner.
"All great changes are preceded by chaos."

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