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Neo Bestia said:
Nelfarion44 said:
One of the best things Saradomin has ever said:

Saradomin: "One does not insult a god without gaining a few broken bones."


I have thought dearly about adding that quote to Saradomin's section.

It's quite good really.


My memory must have failed me. Does Saradomin say that in DoC? I just forget, is all.
"All great changes are preceded by chaos."

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Neo Bestia said:
Even so, I only see that cutscene making zamorak look rather pitiful.


...Because he actually tried diplomacy, actually tried being reasonable? He was backed-in to a corner by his enemies, and despite having the object of untold power at his disposal he actually DIDN'T opt to be too quick to use it.

Despite multiple attempts at such reasoning, everyone still jumped aboard the "you have to die and your ideaology has to die with you" train, with the added bonus of Saradomin screaming "MADNESS!" and saying the Stone is his to own. Sure, Armadyl warned him of the dangers of the Stone, and yet he still continued to be on the back-him-into-a-corner team.

It's pretty funny that, had he just used the Stone without a second thought, he'd be seen as an unrepentent monster...yet taking the course of (attempting to) reason makes it pitiful. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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24-Feb-2015 03:49:34 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 03:51:19 by Aterivus

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Raxxess said:
Lol they are calling it negotiating, which I really don't think it is but if that what we are calling it. I mean like if you have a nuke by your side and say "hey this is how i want the world to be follow it" he didn't try to give a truce or anything. He could have just said my philosophy will rule in my lands your philosophy can rule yours.


Yeah, I'm kind of doubting that they were going to let Zamorak walk away to practice his philosophy with his followers, and that they would all just go their seperate ways in the end. Saradomin and Bandos made it overtly clear this was going to be Zamorak's end - and if it could go further, I'm sure Saradomin would have done his damnedest at ensuring everything associated with Zamorak was wiped from existence as well.

The only way they'd all be walking away in any sort of truce would be if Armadyl had his way, and Saradomin refused to accept Zamorak as anything less than a monster, and Bandos...well, I'm sure he saw the defeated Zamorak as having become weak and in need of killing.

It seems all you care about is "Zimzams has nuke, he gon' nuke ya'll". But I think it speaks volumes that he quite literally had his hand on the proverbial trigger and still opted to try the reasonable approach. Even if he had tried explaining himself in the past, I doubt they'd have listened then either. If anyone has a vision of what they want the world to be, and offers no middle ground on what's an acceptable worldview, it's Saradomin.

I'm not saying Zamorak is by no means perfect or without fault, but hot damn, I'm not exactly seeing his enemies as really allowing him to have let anything happen differently. There's a reason that every other God seems to think of Saradomin as a self-righteous blowhard with linear moral tunnel vision.
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24-Feb-2015 22:09:16 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2015 22:10:11 by Aterivus

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Raxxess said:
Why would he even care about fighting Zamorak's armies in the Godwars if he all cared about was the stone?

Saradomin has more reason to hate Zamorak than Armadyl or Bandos did. Like I said before in this post Zamorak gave Drakan extra troops and the go ahead to invade Hallowvale which was basically one of Saradomin's biggest cities on Gielinor, Invaded other Saradominists land. Kril almost killed Zilyana. And really that's the only time we know Saradomin actually used the stone, was to revive Zilyana. I mean he had every right to be angry with Zamorak.


War is a give-and-take sort of deal. I agree Saradomin had a right to be angry at Zamorak, he did lose countless followers and settlements to him. In the same token, Zamorak lost a lot to Saradomin too - this is the nature of war, both sides inevitably gain and lose their footholds and resources over time, and perhaps regain some through victory.

I'm sure you noticed that, of all the Gods, Saradomin is perhaps the only one that came out of the Third Age with sizeable territory and near-complete acceptance of his ideaology. Whichever territories he ended up controlling by the end certainly weren't won through snuggly affectations - you can damn well bet his forces wiped out plenty of Zamorakians and took control of their territories as well.

Furthermore, Bandos comments to the defeated Zamorak that his armies lay in ruins on all sides, so I'm doubting Zamorak had many soldiers or followers left to fall back on (military-wise). And as for K'ril nearly killing Zilyana...uhh, so what? The two met in battle at Annakarl, it's not as if K'ril went on a personal must-slay-Zilyana endeavour...it's no different than any other two generals clashing in battle.

Point is, Saradomin has reason to hate Zamorak. He lost a lot to him over the course of the war. Zamorak also has reason to hate Saradomin; he, too, lost a lot over the course of the war.
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25-Feb-2015 21:21:59 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2015 21:25:17 by Aterivus

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Hguoh said:
Of course yelling, 'We don't care what you have to say, we are going to kill you because your evil,' is going to make the situation worse. I mean, that's hostage negotiations 101.


It's too bad we, The World Guardian, weren't alive back then...we'd make a wonderful negotiator.

I'd also sign-up to be the notary of the the Zaros/Hostillus Eldest Signatory, but that's mostly to see the look on Hostillus' face when he realizes that floating robed guy in front of him is nearly as old as this universe.
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