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Truth be told? We won't be getting any answers to these questions until 2017 at the earliest. That doesn't mean speculation isn't okay.. in fact, that just leaves more time to speculate! So let's begin!

So yes, Xau-Tak is the God of Horrors, Death, and the Sea. He's basically Davy Jones from PotC. Aside from that, he bears more resemblance to C*hulhu if anything. I did a little digging on C*hulhu and came upon something that made me go to a piece of content developed by Mod Wilson that has nothing to do with Pirates or Skeletal Horrors.. Broken Home.
In the first novel, The call of C*hulhu, It is stated that merely seeing C*hulhu can drive a person to insanity almost instantly.
How does this fit into Broken Home? Well, the building that is found under the mansion is an old Asylum, a place for insane people (and demons, and probably other races as well). According to what we know, Ormod thought he was going insane, or "Cursed with madness" and was told he was senile, and that his afflictions were not of magical cause. Well, what if maybe Ormod did a little more than work? Perhaps he did what a lot of us do, we take a walk. Maybe he walked down to the basement and found a passage.. sounding familiar? It should, it's what happens in The Call of C*hulhu with a few variations. Long story short, he stumbles upon something, perhaps one of Xau-Tak's artefacts, or Xau-Tak, now in the coma-sleep (Just like C*hulhu was), and was driven into insanity and servitude. Maybe the 'Curse of this House' he was trying to save everyone from WAS Xau-Tak, and, unfortunately, he was kept around because of the guilt he felt when he somehow broke Xau-Tak's spell and did these things? I mean, the Skeletal Horror mas built over the Asylum by the Odd Old Man for a reason, right?

Who knows?
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15-Apr-2016 07:37:25

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Wahisietel said:
Broken Home's storyline was done by Mod Jack, and IIIRC Seneci**** was the cause of madness. Of course, Chthonian demons are also partially based on Lovecraft, so a connection is possible.


I don't recall them ever mentioning that Seneci**** (Love how that's still censored) was what drove Ormod insane. but I only ever did the quest once, and never paid it much attention, as it was a one-off. Still, I'm looking forward to finding out more about Xau-Tak.
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16-Apr-2016 09:03:56

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Any chance that there's a connection between Xau-Tak and the Strange glowing orb? The way ??? from the orb talks, and their general attitude seems to fit the profile of a God of Horrors and Death. A
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29-Apr-2016 08:27:32

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Hguoh said:
Wahisietel said:
Yeah, an underwater city is referenced, but it being "raised back up to land" doesn't really go with the lore about it we've got from elsewhere, which implies it's always been underwater.


Didn't Guthix's God letter only say that the underwater city had been submerged for many centuries? I'd say that leaves enough wiggle room to claim that it had been above water prior to being submerged.
I agree. Though if it HAD been above water before, that opens a whole new bag of chips...
What the hell sank an entire city?
The answer: Xau-Tak.
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09-May-2016 04:58:29 - Last edited on 09-May-2016 04:58:48 by Sepulchre

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Megical Man said:
Sepulchre said:
Hguoh said:
Wahisietel said:
Yeah, an underwater city is referenced, but it being "raised back up to land" doesn't really go with the lore about it we've got from elsewhere, which implies it's always been underwater.


Didn't Guthix's God letter only say that the underwater city had been submerged for many centuries? I'd say that leaves enough wiggle room to claim that it had been above water prior to being submerged.
I agree. Though if it HAD been above water before, that opens a whole new bag of chips...
What the hell sank an entire city?
The answer: Xau-Tak.


And a new meme is born.

Thanks, Xau Tak.

"Aw man. I stubbed my toe. THANKS, XAU-TAK."


They delayed the release of the new Pirate quest even further... THANKS XAU-TAK!
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09-May-2016 06:37:01

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Ahtelhrax said:
Rite of Passage delayed?

THANKS, XAU-TAK!
Nobody wants more lore quests?! THANKS, XAU-TAK!
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09-May-2016 08:35:02 - Last edited on 09-May-2016 08:35:53 by Sepulchre

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Padomenes said:
Sepulchre said:
Ahtelhrax said:
Rite of Passage delayed?

THANKS, XAU-TAK!
Nobody wants more lore quests?! THANKS, XAU-TAK!
What if Armadyl is sick of the delay of RoP and decided to teach us all a lesson by being responsible for the "dissapearences" and robberies in meg's cases? What happens if Xau-Tak is next on missing cases?
Knowing Mod Raven (beholden unto his utmost glory!) this could actually be a thing.
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16-May-2016 06:10:47

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Mod Wilson said:
Sepulchre said:
Actually, this thread could use some updating. I'd go look at this thread to learn more. Anyway, I don't know if many of you know of it, but I actually managed to yank a Tweet out of Mod Raven a couple weeks back, that he quickly deleted, leaving me sort of a teaser. The Tweet read as such:

Do you really think you can save them Sepulchre? You can't. There is an atrocity written in black stone. And this is Xau-Tak.


Vague for sure, but I think I got it. The black slab, where you resurrect the Ex-parrot into an Ex-ex-parrot? I mean, Xau-Tak has been called the God of Horrors and Death.. so the fact that a stone, that is black, can bring a parrot back to unlife is.. high likely to be connected. As for what it means exactly.. the stone has a carving of the Black Mask, dropped by cave horrors. So my honest thoughts are this: Xau-Tak is responsible for the corruption of the cave horrors and the jungle horrors found on Mos'le Harmless.


Well, Raven did ask for a good quote to tweet you. I just directed him to the list of the ones in game that people do not seem to have found yet. ;)


This quote is from the Forum thread found here. Seems we have more to discover...
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16-May-2016 10:39:57

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Congratz on your idea making it into the 2017 Survey.
Between yourself, my End of an Age idea, and all the other ideas around old content.. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a few 5th Age quests next year.
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23-May-2016 11:14:23

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Time travel is cheap, but is VERY plausible.
As for Xau-Tak, I still believe him to be a 'young god,' but I question even more his intentions. Is he a destroyer-god like Tuska? A warmonger like Bandos? A death-obsessed entity like the Dark Lord? It's obvious he knows us from somewhere, and time travel could be the answer.. honestly, I hope it is.
If time travel isn't the answer.. Zaros help us all. That would mean Xau-Tak is much stronger than I imagined, stronger maybe even than Guthix (THAT is a scary thought), or perhaps his alignment is to Time and Eternity, as suggested by the newest hint of Xau-Tak.
One thing is for certain.. Xau-Tak draws nearer. I feel.. uneasy. Also, I was right about Xau-Tak being connected to Broken Home! Hah!

Still.. this is very worrying. Corpse oceans? Gaping maw of eternity? A darkness against which my soul shall be lathed? This... is bad.
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24-May-2016 05:37:46

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Padomenes said:
Sepulchre said:
Time travel is cheap, but is VERY plausible.
As for Xau-Tak, I still believe him to be a 'young god,' but I question even more his intentions. Is he a destroyer-god like Tuska? A warmonger like Bandos? A death-obsessed entity like the Dark Lord? It's obvious he knows us from somewhere, and time travel could be the answer.. honestly, I hope it is.
If time travel isn't the answer.. Zaros help us all. That would mean Xau-Tak is much stronger than I imagined, stronger maybe even than Guthix (THAT is a scary thought), or perhaps his alignment is to Time and Eternity, as suggested by the newest hint of Xau-Tak.
One thing is for certain.. Xau-Tak draws nearer. I feel.. uneasy. Also, I was right about Xau-Tak being connected to Broken Home! Hah!

Still.. this is very worrying. Corpse oceans? Gaping maw of eternity? A darkness against which my soul shall be lathed? This... is bad.
But its said only Tier 3 - Tier 2 gods have the abilities to control mortal minds like that. Look at how powerful its manipulation of the odd old man was. Its also hinted that Sliske might be serving Xau-Tak in Kindred Spirits, it also knew that we would be born and spoke our username in the journal.

What is Xau-Tak's plan? To make the gods all kill each other so there are less gods to deal with + a "sea of corpses" to utilize when it chooses to surface? Alignment? Could it be somebody who utilizes both Control and Order?
Didn't Amascut control our mind in Icthlarin's Little Helper? She's only a Demigod. The tournament was Sliske's distraction for Zaros, I don't know if that has anything to do with his master's plans..
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24-May-2016 05:56:49

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Malchyom said:
Time travel can't be the answer, as the Key used to travel through time is destroyed after we collect all of the little treasure goodies. Which means Xau-Tak preordained our very being. We're in trouble.

Also, take into consideration what Zaros said at the end of Fate of the Gods... his aura of loyalty didn't affect us because of our godly protection in the form of Guthix's blessing. Not even Zaros, a tier 2 god born from Mah, can have an impact upon our thinking and judgment.

Xau-Tak has already proven that it's very capable of making us dream of horrifying visions of the future, as the Dragonkin did during Ritual of the Mahjarrat. And we know how powerful the Dragonkin were during all of this. Xau-Tak has infiltrated our minds while within the mind/soul of someone else, i.e Zanik during Nomad's Elegy. That speaks volumes of what it's capable of.

Let that sink in.
I already had time to let all of that sink in. I'm not 100% sure Xau-Tak actually made us have that nightmare anyway, it was just Mod Wilson being a tease. You basically said what I said in a different way, yes, Xau-Tak is immensely powerful, and we need to watch our backs.
That being said.. why are we assuming the Key is the ONLY thing in all of creation capable of allowing time travel? Especially considering flipping a coin in a fountain allowed us to travel to another dimension for no explained reason.
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24-May-2016 06:07:25

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So when do we get to go into the Asylum in the past? LOL
Anyway, I feel like, Trib.. Gustaf meaning Staff of the Gods isn't a coincidence at all. That would mean he is somehow related to the Siphon.. but how? Why?
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24-May-2016 09:42:36

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Raleirosen said:
@Bonzara
Retreading the Seren/Dark Lord spiel with an anti-Guthix would be catastrophically tedious. Hell, they didn't even manage to make it interesting with Seren in my opinion.

Besides, Guthix is a dead horse. Far better for Xau-Tak to be something new (and hopefully interesting).
Do you really think you can save them, Raleirosen? You can't. There is a dark shadow looming over you every waking moment. And this is Xau-Tak.
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26-May-2016 06:30:07

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Bonzara said:
Raleirosen said:
@Bonzara
Retreading the Seren/Dark Lord spiel with an anti-Guthix would be catastrophically tedious. Hell, they didn't even manage to make it interesting with Seren in my opinion.

Besides, Guthix is a dead horse. Far better for Xau-Tak to be something new (and hopefully interesting).


You do have a point there.

That being said, I still like the idea of Xau-Tak as a god of imbalance and unnatural things. He could still be the metaphorical "opposite" of Guthix without being directly related to him by origin. Sort of like how Saradomin and Zamorak were commonly held up as opposites despite having different origins.

Also keep in mind that Mod Wilson supposedly came up with the idea for Xau-Tak long before Guthix got killed off.

I could imagine, for example, a group of heretical druids who come to believe that balance cannot exist without imbalance to compare it to, and that imbalance is therefore a higher state of being. Thus, they turn from their Guthixian path to pursue a state of un-balance and un-nature, and in the process, they discover Xau-Tak and decide he represents everything they aspire to. Gradually their mental states become imbalanced as well and they become the Mad Druids. (This is actually starting to sound a lot like Abdul Alhazred. Given the Lovecraftian overtones of the whole Xau-Tak storyline, it wouldn't surprise me if Mod Wilson decides to put something like this in there).
The idea that Balance can't exist without imbalance is basically the idea of Balance.. it's a balance of balance.
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26-May-2016 06:30:52

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Kanarthasis said:
"So lets start with the first sentence: What carves its hate upon the monolith?
What monolith? Why does Xau-Tak hate said monolith? was it made by the Elder Gods? What is its purpose? Is this some kind of supreme elder artifact? Where does it recide currently?"

The Monolith is probably Gielinor. Considering it is a large stone, or earth of land that is slow to change, possibly in Xau-Tak's eyes. It seems quite possible if it is similar to WoW's Old Gods, specifically N'zoth, and it seeks to wreak havoc on everything alive, whislt enslaving fanatics to entertain it in service of its will.
I think you're reading into it wrong. when it says
"What carves its hate upon the monolith?"
I don't think Xau-Tak actually hates a monolith. I think it's more a metaphor. Perhaps there is a piece of Xau-Tak's essence upon a monolith, or there is a monolith created by him for his followers to worship. It's like saying "Zamorak left his mark on the continent of Forinthry." He didn't actually leave his symbol there, he just caused such vast destruction, that people will always remember his name when they think of the Wilderness.
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26-May-2016 07:07:44

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Trib said:
Sepulchre said:
Raleirosen said:
@Bonzara
Retreading the Seren/Dark Lord spiel with an anti-Guthix would be catastrophically tedious. Hell, they didn't even manage to make it interesting with Seren in my opinion.

Besides, Guthix is a dead horse. Far better for Xau-Tak to be something new (and hopefully interesting).
Do you really think you can save them, Raleirosen? You can't. There is a dark shadow looming over you every waking moment. And this is Xau-Tak.


Is this a quote from the Dark Lord applied to Xau Tak? Also, I wonder why more of us aren't pushing the fact that there is apparently a LIST of undiscovered dialogue relating to Xau Tak, with at least one mentioning him explicity. Check the link, it's actually a conversation between him and Sepulchre:

http://services.runescape.***/*=forum/forums***?341,342,506,65713475,&showuser=Mod%A0Wilson
I know, I was there. Also no, that was just me being creepy.
I'm very interested in finding these other hidden lines. That means replaying content by Mod Wilson is a must for my newb account.
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26-May-2016 07:34:30

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Trib said:
Sepulchre said:
Kanarthasis said:
"So lets start with the first sentence: What carves its hate upon the monolith?
What monolith? Why does Xau-Tak hate said monolith? was it made by the Elder Gods? What is its purpose? Is this some kind of supreme elder artifact? Where does it recide currently?"

The Monolith is probably Gielinor. Considering it is a large stone, or earth of land that is slow to change, possibly in Xau-Tak's eyes. It seems quite possible if it is similar to WoW's Old Gods, specifically N'zoth, and it seeks to wreak havoc on everything alive, whislt enslaving fanatics to entertain it in service of its will.
I think you're reading into it wrong. when it says
"What carves its hate upon the monolith?"
I don't think Xau-Tak actually hates a monolith. I think it's more a metaphor. Perhaps there is a piece of Xau-Tak's essence upon a monolith, or there is a monolith created by him for his followers to worship. It's like saying "Zamorak left his mark on the continent of Forinthry." He didn't actually leave his symbol there, he just caused such vast destruction, that people will always remember his name when they think of the Wilderness.


Not to say everyone is reading too far into it, but the monolith is probably the black stone on Mos Le Harmless with the Black Mask carved into it.
That actually was my theory about the quote Raven sent to me on Twitter.
There is an atrocity written in black stone. And this is Xau-Tak.

It's a black slab of stone, atrocity can be another word for Horror.. like cave horrors.
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26-May-2016 07:35:49

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CakeRider said:
Who carves its hate upon the monolith?

Who writes atrocities in black stone?

We do! We do!
That... sounds like a song reference for some reason.
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26-May-2016 10:24:35

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CakeRider said:
Sepulchre said:
CakeRider said:
Who carves its hate upon the monolith?

Who writes atrocities in black stone?

We do! We do!
That... sounds like a song reference for some reason.


Who keeps Atlantis off the maps,
Who keeps the martians under wraps?

XAU-TAK! XAU-TAK!
So you think Xau-Tak is basically 'popular Atlantis theory about falling magical rocks meets C*hulhu' in RuneScape?
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26-May-2016 10:58:10

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N7spongy said:
Wahi has been a member since 2005, Wahisietel is Xau-Tak confirmed!
Ali the Wise was actually a Mahjarrat in disguise, who was disguised as a Mahjarrat who is actually an evil God. Sweet.
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27-May-2016 06:56:15

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Raleirosen said:
Sepulchre said:
Do you really think you can save them, Raleirosen? You can't. There is a dark shadow looming over you every waking moment. And its name is
JOHN CENA!!!!!!!
LOOOOOOOOOL. I knew there was a reason I liked you. You really are quite the fun character.
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27-May-2016 06:57:47

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Wahisietel said:
So, regarding the treasure that Gustaf brought aboard in Death at Sea. There are two other references to treasure that are possibly connected to Xau-Tak. There's the chest that Rabid Jack jumped overboard with, and the "cursed treasure" from Olaf's Quest.

Could these all be related?
Is it possible that 2 of those, possibly even all 3, are the same chest?
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27-May-2016 11:12:31

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MasterOfMind said:
Is there any explanation for how Xau-Tak knew our name aeons before we were born? Is it possible it is somehow connected to time? It could explain how it seemingly worked around the Edicts, and I seem to remember it being likened to a black hole, but I could be going crazy. (It's been known to happen)

Could the artifact the sailors found be some kind of device look through time (Eye of Jas, anyone?), which I'm sure would cause the mind-shattering in mortals we see.

Also, any theories on how it ascended? Obviously there's no evidence, but it's nice to hear fan theories.
It is possible that Xau-Tak was either too "weak" or even (however unlikely, if it was a rival god of V) too strong to be effected by the Edicts. I'd surmise that Xau-Tak either has a power or artifact that has the ability to see into the future, and see us.. that or time travel nonsense. I'd guess that he ascended through use of some elder artifact or by killing another God. That seems to be the only way, aside from being created by an Elder.
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29-May-2016 19:40:37

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The player wasn't actually "born" on Ashdale though. We were just there when we started the game, and we were arriving there from somewhere else. A
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29-May-2016 23:52:15

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With recent thoughts, I think maybe Xau-Tak has actually been dormant on Gielinor up until the point that Rabid Ja- uhhh, that Pirate quest villain found him.. in the Underwater City.
If the Underwater City really is meant to be R'lyeh, then Xau-Tak would have been in slumber for a long time, and perhaps the Edicts didn't effect him because he was technically in a state where he wasn't very "powerful."
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30-May-2016 00:24:07

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Actually, it's implied that Seren shattered herself because she knew Guthix would force her to leave.. which means Seren believed that Guthix DID have the power to banish other Transcendent young gods.

Anyway, to the C'thulhu Mythos... Everything points to Xau-Tak being an Elder God, or at the very least, an alien. More likely to be of alien origin. I myself just reread The Call of C'thulhu earlier today, and have noticed a few things. The first one being above, that Xau-Tak would be a very powerful deity. Secondly, the way C'thulhu was described seems to almost portray exactly the Skeletal Horror. I begin to wonder if the Horror isn't actually an avatar or reformed body of Xau-Tak himself. Thirdly, the legend spoke of C'thulhu coming to people in their dreams.. much like what happened to us in Light Within. Finally, and perhaps most importantly... the Legend says that R'lyeh came to the surface when the stars aligned. Apply this to the game, and it is possible that the Underwater city will actually rise to the surface, and Xau-Tak with it...
I wonder if we'll end up ramming him with a ship?
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30-May-2016 03:16:18

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Bonzara said:
Has anyone tried coaxing any new dialogue out of the Ex-Ex-Parrot, possibly by taking it to different locations or using items on it? Given that the parrot seems to have been reanimated using Xau-Tak's power, it seems likely he'd be aware of the god's existence somehow. Mod Wilson mentioned that there are references he left in the game that are waiting to be discovered; I'm wondering if any of these references involve the ex-ex-parrot.
Right now I'm trying to coax more information about these hidden references and dialogues out of Wilson or Raven, so that I at least have SOME idea what I'm doing.
I'd try taking the Parrot to somewhere we know is connected to Xau-Tak.. like maybe something to do with the Skeletal Horror, or to the Cave Horror caverns?
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02-Jun-2016 07:34:14

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Okay I'm not paying attention to anything. Somebody kindly explain to me what the heck Idle Adventures is? A
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03-Jun-2016 07:37:48

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Xau-Tak is C'thulhu.
C'thulhu is a Great Old One.
Xau-Tak is... a Great Old One? A new form of god perhaps? A being that isn't so much a 'god' as we see it, but a being of such immense power that it could be considered a god?
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Wahisietel said:
Since we know Xau-Tak's an ocean-dwelling sea monster with tentacles based on C*hulhu, I'm still of the opinion that Xau-Tak is probably an ascended Karamthulhu.

Anyway. Olaf's quest. Olaf says that he thinks his grandfather's treasure is cursed, since his ship was wrecked while he was looking for it. Ulfric's parchment also says that the treasure is cursed, and that the ships carrying it were either sunken or crashed. As we see in the quest, he and his crew were turned into undead to protect it.

So a mysterious cursed treasure connected to the ocean and the undead. I think we can safely say it's related to Xau-Tak at this point?
I say there's a strong possibility it's connected, definitely. I don't remember much about the quest off hand, but I know in Gielinor, people don't usually just rise up as undead for no reason. There's obviously more at work here, and since I'd think we can assume both the Skeletal (or Ske1337al, as Shauny would say xD) Horror and Ex-ex-parrot are undead, and related to Xau-Tak.. I'd guess undead would be something he's associated with.
Now to your 'ascended Karamathulu' point, it seems likely. Since the name 'Karamathulu' is a mix of 'Karambwan' and 'C'thulhu,' and Xau-Tak is basically supposed to be the RuneScape equivalent to C'thulhu. Again, it all depends on how far into the C'thulhu Mythos this delves. If Wilson wants him to be more like C'thulhu than anything else, it would make sense for him to be different in some way than a conventional "young god" in RuneScape.

Any news on how the Pirate Quest and Underwater City are doing in the Survey?
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Wahisietel said:
Kennith and Rabid Jack do not have sea slugs, lol. If they did, they wouldn't have any free will.

Ezekial DOES imply that Kennith's powers have a connection to the Slugs, and that there's "something fundamentally wrong with Witchaven that won't be addressed until the slugs are dealt with."
Well that all depends on what he meant by "fundamentally" now doesn't it? :P
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Wahisietel said:
The bearded man is pretty much confirmed to be the Smuggler at this point. And I seriously doubt Xau-Tak has any connection to Daemonheim. I like the idea of something besides Zamorak being at the bottom of Daemonheim, explaining why Bilrach went mad... but Dishonour among Thieves pretty much killed any chance of that happening.
I feel like DaT is going to be.. ignored, for the most part. I've been hearing a lot of people say that Nomad's Elegy ignored a lot of the lore it came with.
Have you ever considered that maybe Xau-Tak isn't so much a living being as it is an.. idea?
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Lethalintent said:
Sepulchre said:
Wahisietel said:
The bearded man is pretty much confirmed to be the Smuggler at this point. And I seriously doubt Xau-Tak has any connection to Daemonheim. I like the idea of something besides Zamorak being at the bottom of Daemonheim, explaining why Bilrach went mad... but Dishonour among Thieves pretty much killed any chance of that happening.
I feel like DaT is going to be.. ignored, for the most part. I've been hearing a lot of people say that Nomad's Elegy ignored a lot of the lore it came with.
Have you ever considered that maybe Xau-Tak isn't so much a living being as it is an.. idea?


Do you know how absurdly boring that would be?
Well technically Xau-Tak IS an idea... Mod Wilson's idea. ;)
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N7spongy said:
Sepulchre said:
Wahisietel said:
The bearded man is pretty much confirmed to be the Smuggler at this point. And I seriously doubt Xau-Tak has any connection to Daemonheim. I like the idea of something besides Zamorak being at the bottom of Daemonheim, explaining why Bilrach went mad... but Dishonour among Thieves pretty much killed any chance of that happening.
I feel like DaT is going to be.. ignored, for the most part. I've been hearing a lot of people say that Nomad's Elegy ignored a lot of the lore it came with.
Have you ever considered that maybe Xau-Tak isn't so much a living being as it is an.. idea?
How did Nomads elegy ignore the lore (I'm at the boss fight currently)? Is it because it didnt mention the previous quest?

Also I don't think Xau-Tak is necessarily a god, but an "idea" would just feel off. I personally feel that Xau-Tak is some sort of primordial being/eldritch abomination, like the prehistoric abyssal.
That derives from the C'thulhu base, no doubt. I think you're right. He's not a "god" in the sense we're used to. He's not the child of some brain-dead Elder, he's not a being who happened upon an Elder Artifact... He's something.... more.
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Lethalintent said:
Sepulchre said:
Lethalintent said:
Sepulchre said:
Wahisietel said:
The bearded man is pretty much confirmed to be the Smuggler at this point. And I seriously doubt Xau-Tak has any connection to Daemonheim. I like the idea of something besides Zamorak being at the bottom of Daemonheim, explaining why Bilrach went mad... but Dishonour among Thieves pretty much killed any chance of that happening.
I feel like DaT is going to be.. ignored, for the most part. I've been hearing a lot of people say that Nomad's Elegy ignored a lot of the lore it came with.
Have you ever considered that maybe Xau-Tak isn't so much a living being as it is an.. idea?


Do you know how absurdly boring that would be?
Well technically Xau-Tak IS an idea... Mod Wilson's idea. ;)


I really am surprised he's not a Raven idea you know.

Who knew Wilson could be so cool.
Wilson has been that cool since 2005, apparently. :P
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That would be a huge letdown, tbh.

The Death at Sea incident involves items as well, not to mention the people all end up just.. dead, plus the ship is sunk. and the "The spiral of time leads only to the gaping maw of eternity." line seems to suggest Xau-Tak does exist inside the boundaries of time, but is able to traverse time, or allow others to do so.

Also, Guthix had to banish each god one by one, so ***-Tak could simply not have been known to him.

If the word has the power to destroy the world... why has it been said and the world is still here?

Mah was the Elder responsible for making sure mortals didn't become so.. powerful or intelligent, with her stillborn, Xau-Tak couldn't exist.
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Nolhiir said:
^That, or, more worryingly, he wasn't able to banish Xau-Tak.


Though I would like to point out that Bonzara's theory is pretty much what we've been doing since we first heard the name; obsessing about it.
I'd hope Guthix would mention a god so powerful he was unable to banish them.
That sounds like something we'd have to deal with, and we'd need to be.. prepared. IF Xau-Tak was too strong for Guthix to banish, then Xau-Tak would be stronger than Zaros and Seren...
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Ever since I learned of the C'thulhu influence in Xau-Tak, I've been convinced he's in the Underwater City. I'm now also pretty convinced he never really revealed himself, for what purpose I'm not 100% sure. If he does have the ability to see into the future, he probably knew how the God Wars would end, and didn't want to be banished by Guthix at the end of it.
Of course, if he can see the future, unless it's like other Seers in RS, where they only get snippets, and can't actually decide WHAT they see.. he would've already known that Guthix would eventually die...
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28-Jun-2016 04:43:41 - Last edited on 28-Jun-2016 04:44:06 by Sepulchre

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Lord Drakan said:
Jack is creating zombie pirates in Xau-Tak's old temple, presumably in the Underwater City. But how? There's either a HUGE supply of black rock down there, or LOTS of remnant Xau-Tak hooberyjoobery, or Xau-Tak is there himself.....


Do you honestly think that Xau Tak's temple wouldn't be made out of his Black Rock?

How else would the final pirate quest have a boss arena with suitable gravitas?
If Xau-Tak himself is still locked in the Underwater city, as the connection to the C'thulhu mythos would imply, they wouldn't need his black stones to do it.
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So I was lying in bed the other day and I had a sudden realization, I guess you could call it. I was thinking about where to find the other Xau-Tak references that Wilson said exist in-game, and a thought hit me.
So far, we know of two hints given to us, both from quests in the Sliske's Countdown series.. but that's not the only thing that ties them together. Both of these quests heavily feature something that was previously untouched in RuneScape lore... Souls.

That got me to thinking.. maybe this isn't just coincidence? We've been long theorizing that Xau-Tak isn't a "god" in the sense we think of. Not created by a near-mindless Elder God, didn't have long exposure to an Elder Artifact, didn't slay another God, etc. See, I had been playing Mortal Kombat XL before laying down, and one of my favourite characters in the Mortal Kombat series is named Ermac. Ermac is a single being made up of ten-thousand (according to himself) souls, bound together by Shao Kahn, a "necromancer" of sorts and former emperor of Outworld in the MK series.
I bring this up because I think maybe Xau-Tak could be similar to Ermac. What I mean is, he could be someone or something that gained power by consuming souls. The furthest extent of this theory is that Xau-Tak was actually a Reaper in another world. This would explain how his reach extends even into the afterlife, as seen during Nomad's Elegy. It might also explain his ability to see through time, if the Reapers are truly able to see when peoples times have come.
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Aleks Leye said:
And just when I thought this being couldn't get anymore terrifying. Way to go Sepulchre, you went and raised the bar.

On a slightly less flippant note, I like this theory; "When Reapers go Bad." It certainly would explain Xau-Tak's connection to death and the like.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.
It could also explain the 'Corpse oceans' that V described. A reaper who is consuming souls wouldn't give a damn about the body itself, and could very well just leave them laying there. That sounds like a "Corpse ocean" to me.
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Aleks Leye said:
Sepulchre said:
It could also explain the 'Corpse oceans' that V described. A reaper who is consuming souls wouldn't give a damn about the body itself, and could very well just leave them laying there. That sounds like a "Corpse ocean" to me.

And the bar is raised once again. Well, it would certainly be interesting, if macabre, if we ever got to visit one of these dead worlds.
... *narrows eyes as she looks towards the World Gate* Yeah... wouldn't that be neat...
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Mod Wilson said:
Aleks Leye said:
Sepulchre said:
It could also explain the 'Corpse oceans' that V described. A reaper who is consuming souls wouldn't give a damn about the body itself, and could very well just leave them laying there. That sounds like a "Corpse ocean" to me.

And the bar is raised once again. Well, it would certainly be interesting, if macabre, if we ever got to visit one of these dead worlds.


You seem to forget that corpses in this lore have a tendency to get up and move. Why leave the bodies lying around when they can remain animate? Wouldn't swimming such an ocean be more rewarding due to the tidal effect of billions of bodies thrashing as you pass? Why leave them merely to rot when they can babble and howl your praises in the dark places, or crawl through your endless labyrinth in terrified silence? In fact, why worry about any of this when your mind is so alien your thoughts make reality boil?

Do you hear that whooshing noise? That's the bar achieving escape velocity. ;) You’re welcome.
No that's fine, Wilson. I didn't feel like sleeping today anyway...

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Mod Wilson said:
Aleks Leye said:
Mod Wilson said:
You seem to forget that corpses in this lore have a tendency to get up and move. Why leave the bodies lying around when they can remain animate? Wouldn't swimming such an ocean be more rewarding due to the tidal effect of billions of bodies thrashing as you pass? Why leave them merely to rot when they can babble and howl your praises in the dark places, or crawl through your endless labyrinth in terrified silence? In fact, why worry about any of this when your mind is so alien your thoughts make reality boil?

Do you hear that whooshing noise? That's the bar achieving escape velocity. ;) You’re welcome.

O_o ...Could we have "Crumble Undead" back. Please?


Why? You would only need that if you think you can fight them. You*d only try to fight them if you think you can win.
Do you really think you can save them, Aliksandar? You can't. There is an impatient hell that knows your name. And this is Xau-Tak.
By Zaros, suddenly I regret voting for the Pirate Quest... What kind of atrocity have we unleashed...?
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ZAmorakZaros said:
Raleirosen said:
Mod Wilson said:
Why? You would only need that if you think you can fight them. You*d only try to fight them if you think you can win. Do you really think you can save them, Aliksandar? You can't. There is an impatient hell that knows your name. And this is Xau-Tak.
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Aleks Leye said:
Wahisietel said:
Why is it so interested in us?

And if Xau-Tak has been on Gielinor since the Second Age...

Why hasn't Gielinor been destroyed yet?

Perhaps we intrigue it? After all, as World Guardian we've achieved far more than the average mortal; we've travelled through time, conquered who knows how many dreadful creatures in our pursuit of wealth and glory and recently we've been privy to the council of at least 4 divine beings. Not to mention our habit of running into Elder artefacts.

As for why the world isn't an ocean or corpses, well maybe Xau-Tak is playing the long game. After all, it seems to enjoy rubbing in our faces the fact that all of our struggles are in vain; perhaps Xau-Tak is simply waiting for us to reach our most confident, most comfortable peak of our careers before emerging and stripping away everything we achieved in one fell, tentacly swoop?
Maybe Xau-Tak is waiting for.. something to happen.. or someone to come across him or an item of his.
Maybe he's already chosen his champion? Maybe it's... us?
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Aleks Leye said:
Sepulchre said:
By Zaros, suddenly I regret voting for the Pirate Quest... What kind of atrocity have we unleashed...?

Oh, I'm sure this particular abomination would have been more than content to scheme from the shadows even if we hadn't voted to drag it out into the light.

Besides, we've a track record of beating unpleasant monsters; we beat Mother Mal - no, wait the masonry stole that kill... Ah, we took down Luci - oh right, Strisath stole the spotlight on that one... Pest Queen? Yes, yes that was us.

Either way, my point is that nothing is invincible; everything has a weakness. More importantly we're adventurers; we make our living achieving what most people in the world consider improbable if not impossible.
but nothing this powerful.. nothing this dark, depraved, or twisted. Perhaps..
We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far...
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Aleks Leye said:
Sepulchre said:
but nothing this powerful.. nothing this dark, depraved, or twisted. Perhaps..
We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far...

My, aren't we just a little ray of sunshine. :P
The part in gold was a quote from The Call of C'thulhu, for the record. :P
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Raleirosen said:
I personally think it's more likely that Xau-Tak just had to take a nap.

I mean, eldritch abominations do that sometimes.
Especially considering how deeply this is rooted into the C'thulhu Mythos. Remember, C'thulhu couldn't leave R'lyeh until the stars were aligned properly.
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Then again, if Xau-Tak is 'impatient' as Wilson says

Perhaps he hasn't been waiting by choice, he's been forced to wait. That would explain why Gielinor hasn't been destroyed yet.
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It depends what you mean by "super mega powerful God."
If you pay attention to what Wilson says, Xau-Taks power would have to be great. I hate repeating myself, but I don't think Xau-Tak is a "god" at all, in the sense we're used to. No Elder gods, no Elder Artifacts, no other young gods. Just a being with great amounts of power.
Mortal? Perhaps so, though depending on how far into the C'thulhu mythos we delve here, he could arguably be a totally different kind of deity than anything we know of.

One thing you seem to be overlooking is the cave goblin. Yes, Amascut has shown her ability in the past to control living beings. What you're forgetting is that we were in the afterlife. In order to be able to influence someone there, Xau-Tak is either very powerful or my theory of him being the Reaper (Harold) or Soul Guide (Icthlarin) of another world is correct.
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Poor poor Kastor. Underestimating the power of the God of Horrors. It's a shame really, such a fine mind to be thrown away by underestimating an opponent of obviously massive power.

Do you really think you can save them, Kastor? You can't. There is an impatient hell that knows your name. And this is Xau-Tak.
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Raleirosen said:
Hguoh said:
When their modus operandi is to either eat or destroy everything? Yes, yes I would.

In retrospect I just don't think the events of the Fremmenik series to be very worthy of prophecy. Xau-Tak will probably dwarf the threat of the dagannoth in every way.

Anyway, I suppose we shall see.
Well, to a Fremennik, the Fremennik series would be very worthy of Prophecy.
And since the Prophecy was made by a Fremennik..
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Wahisietel said:
Stuff that I should probably add to the thread but am too busy procrastinating to actually add them:

*Info we learned from Kindred Spirits
*The theorised battle between Xau-Tak and Bandos, that ended with the former trapped in/retreating to the Underwater City.
*Gentleman Mallard's disappearance at the tentacles of a gigantic sea creature.
*Possibly stuff from the Arc. At the very least we'll probably be able to conclusively rule out it being the Cursed Archipelago.
1.) There's been A LOT of discussion surrounding what we learned in KS on this thread, I wouldn't worry about it.
2.) I just hate that idea. Mostly because Bandos is long dead, and dragging dead gods back into new lore seems stupid to me. Besides, aside from the Cyclopes, there's little connection between Bandos and the Wushanko Isles.
3.) Nothing new to say, really. This ties into the first thing about Kindred Spirits, in a way.
4.) Pretty sure this has been confirmed, they aren't the Cursed Archipelago.
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Wahisietel said:
So... there's apparently a ship in Wushanko known as "The Harbinger". Apparently many ghost stories are told about it.

Could it be connected to Rabid Jack and Xau-Tak?
It wouldn't surprise me. After all, the climax of our favourite source of Xau-Tak guessing, Call of C'thulhu has a ghost ship involved. Sort of, anyway.
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Raleirosen said:
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Well, knowing its name isn't proof enough.

Gods can sense each other, but how do you think he specifically knows it's Xau-Tak taking root on Gielinor if all he had to go on were stories?

"I can even feel the tendrils of Xau-Tak have already taken root somewhere on the world."

He has without a doubt from this quote, at least to me, been in its presence because he not only recognizes it's Xau-Tak but specifically mentions its Tendrils. They're quite a distinctive appendage.

It's far more likely that he passed through areas that Xau-Tak devastated, and/or learned of its existence (and perhaps appearance) from third-party sources. Unless there's some other factor at work here, I can't see how V could physically encounter XT with zero consequences.
Well, let's look at this objectively. V's words were:

I have seen worlds where the gods have been victorious. Most of them were...adequate, if a little stifled. But so many of the so-called good gods terribly oppress the mortals that worship them. And that's not even counting the evil gods and the worlds they ruin! ...
The corpse oceans of Xau-Tak.


I believe it's highly possible V has simply visited worlds where Xau-Tak conquered and heard his name somewhere in one of those worlds, never actually encountered Xau-Tak.
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05-Aug-2016 05:22:27

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I'm beginning to wonder if our theorizing and guessing is even worth it. Can we even comprehend what it is we face?
Could any mortal comprehend what this Xau-Tak is? If the World Guardian can't, who can? Death himself? The Mahjarrat?
Could even Zaros, arguably the most powerful and knowledgeable non-Elder God to ever live, comprehend this Eldritch abomination? This Great Old One, known only by the name Xau-Tak...
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05-Aug-2016 06:06:13

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Maiden China said:
I think you're setting yourself up for some major azzanadra-level disappointment
It is impossible for even Xau-Tak to be as disappointed as Azzanadra. Azzanadra is the God of Disappointedness.
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05-Aug-2016 06:42:57

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Whether or not... HE (STOP SAYING HIS NAME) made a deal with Xau-Tak depends on if my theory based of the C'thulhu mythos is right or not. If Xau-Tak is actually trapped in the Underwater City like C'thulhu in R'lyeh, then it is highly possible that HE managed to make contact with, and strike a deal with, Xau-Tak. As for him saying "She[The Sea]'ll not let me die - not now or ever!" It could be he was trying to mask Xau-Tak's presence, or even that Xau-Tak had convinced HIM that Xau-Tak himself was a god of the sea, or something of the like. A
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09-Aug-2016 05:58:56

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Lynxlynx said:
Urban Rave said:
I hope Xau-Tak looks like one of the Ancients.

Ulyaoth perhaps, maybe even Mantorok.

Just something that looks almost otherworldly, or just a form that almost seem beyond how we comprehend various beings.


if Xau-Tak is something we can see
I'm still hoping for a Cthulhu look.
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17-Aug-2016 09:53:51

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Maiden China said:
Maiden China said:
I think you're setting yourself up for some major azzanadra-level disappointment
What I mean is... you imagine xau-tak to be this really interesting chap, completely alien to anything you've so far encountered and ofcourse the whole 'make reality boil' thing
I personally dont imagine he'll be much more interesting than zaros, who isnt as interesting as the mods have been claiming he is for years
I think you're just not getting it. Zaros is an infinitely interesting character in reality. :P
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18-Aug-2016 10:55:31

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N7spongy said:
Maiden China said:
Sepulchre said:
I think you're just not getting it. Zaros is an infinitely interesting character in reality. :P
I think you've been at Azzanadra's Kool-Aid again :P
Well, Zaros has been wandering the universe for countless eons, who knows what he's seen, learned, forgotten, experienced. There is so much he hasn't told us.
Exactly. Not to mention the psyche of a being who is only 1 half to a whole. Zaros seems to be the logic to Seren's emotion.
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19-Aug-2016 05:24:42

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LOL. Either way, he's right. The "Corpse Oceans" reference was probably in reference to the number of undead minions Xau-Tak had being comparable to a giant sea of nothing but the undead minions themselves, which means there's A LOT of them. A
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22-Aug-2016 05:08:20

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Lethalintent said:
Who honestly thinks Xau-Tak can live up to its hype?

This incomprehensible being feels almost more threatening than the Elder gods, is it going to be some over rumored dud of a character? That's my fear. All the hints here and there throughout the years have been some excellent hidden foreshadowing, but I have my doubts.
Maybe Xau-Tak is the Elderer Elder God? The one who created the Elders in the first place?
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02-Sep-2016 04:46:00

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You're stupid for so many different reasons, Spongy, but you don't see us complain! ;)

In all seriousness, Xau-Tak may not be as BIG a threat as the Elder Gods, but he's obviously a more immediate threat.
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06-Sep-2016 06:09:13

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N7spongy said:
Hguoh said:
Wahisietel said:
One of the Ambassador's concepts actually shows it in an area that matches up with the description of the Underwater City we got in The Light Within. It's set underwater and is full of black obsidian structures.



Black obsidian structures that just so happen to look like hands reaching up from the depths. Like one of the dreams you could have if you fell asleep while listening to Coeden in TLW.
Like the Grotesque, or tendrils.

Anyways I know this won't happen but it would be awesome if this came in a Pirate expansion along with a new quest, the Underwater City, and this boss.
Actually, that's VERY likely to happen. Menaphos is the first expansion Jagex spoke of, Menaphos and R'lyeh (err, the Underwater City) were the two main areas players "wanted" for 2017. So it's possible that with each "expansion," we're getting a new area.. and the Underwater City would be the perfect place.
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19-Sep-2016 05:47:14

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N7spongy said:
Wahisietel said:
The Ambassador was concepted as a potential boss alongside an eastern Island guardian and another sea monster, so that gives us an idea as to where it will be found.

Also, its name is eerily similar to the Harbinger... is the Harbinger a harbinger for the arrival of the Ambassador?
Where did you get that info from?

Anyways my theory is that the Harbinger is one of the ships belonging to Rabid Jack, and he uses this ship to trade slaves to turn into zombie minions. If this is true I find it unlikely we would get to meet
STOP SAYING HIS NAME, YOU FOOLS!
(because the requirements would be WAYYYY too high for a pirate continuation) but we are likely to get more lore on the Pirate series as a whole and Xau-Tak himself.
I think the Wushanko Isles and the Pirate series will definitely be intertwined somehow, I just don't know how. Perhaps the Pirate finale could take place IN the Arc?
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22-Sep-2016 05:21:11

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Azzanadra is disappointed that you're wasting time talking about Time Travel when it's not going to happen.
Remember, it was pointed out in the Lore Corner that us seeing the Betrayal wasn't actually going to be time travel.
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26-Sep-2016 05:41:07

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AesirWarrior said:
Oh it pretty much has to happen with Robert eventually, so I don't think it's a pointless discussion (even then, we have tons of those). I mean, the main reason it popped up here was because of the possibility it could happen with Xau-Tak's story (though I seriously doubt it).
Actually they said on the Lore Corner they weren't planning to do any time-travel shenanigans with Robert's story, I do believe?
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27-Sep-2016 04:46:12

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Hguoh said:
Sepulchre said:
AesirWarrior said:
Oh it pretty much has to happen with Robert eventually, so I don't think it's a pointless discussion (even then, we have tons of those). I mean, the main reason it popped up here was because of the possibility it could happen with Xau-Tak's story (though I seriously doubt it).
Actually they said on the Lore Corner they weren't planning to do any time-travel shenanigans with Robert's story, I do believe?


How would you even do that?

He literally leaves a note for us to give to himself when he's human that tells him how to even get to Kethsi in the first place (otherwise he'd already know about DIRAKS).

He even seems to tell himself to put DIRAKS on his collar in the first place (not to mention what appears to be instructions for his reincarnation).

I mean even if we somehow turn Bob back into a human, he still somehow knew a lot about future events that hints at some time-based shenanigans.
Oh? So he leaves us a note, okay. Let's look at the start of that note.

Dear adventurer,
Welcome to Kethsi. I'm sorry that I have no means of knowing your name.

So we went back in time with him... but he has no means of knowing our name? Seems legit.
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28-Sep-2016 04:27:10

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Hguoh said:
Sepulchre said:
Hguoh said:
Sepulchre said:
AesirWarrior said:
Oh it pretty much has to happen with Robert eventually, so I don't think it's a pointless discussion (even then, we have tons of those). I mean, the main reason it popped up here was because of the possibility it could happen with Xau-Tak's story (though I seriously doubt it).
Actually they said on the Lore Corner they weren't planning to do any time-travel shenanigans with Robert's story, I do believe?


How would you even do that?

He literally leaves a note for us to give to himself when he's human that tells him how to even get to Kethsi in the first place (otherwise he'd already know about DIRAKS).

He even seems to tell himself to put DIRAKS on his collar in the first place (not to mention what appears to be instructions for his reincarnation).

I mean even if we somehow turn Bob back into a human, he still somehow knew a lot about future events that hints at some time-based shenanigans.
Oh? So he leaves us a note, okay. Let's look at the start of that note.

Dear adventurer,
Welcome to Kethsi. I'm sorry that I have no means of knowing your name.

So we went back in time with him... but he has no means of knowing our name? Seems legit.


Not really all that much of a stretch if I am honest. 2 of 3 options during TLW have us not ever tell Guthix our name, and we are never even given a chance to tell Haluned our name. Heck even in Meeting History, our name only ever comes up in the post-quest dialogue about naming Herblore (and we never actually explained that it was out name).
You're derping on the context. It's not that we didn't tell him.. HE HAS NO MEANS OF KNOWING. The only way to have no means of knowing would mean he doesn't knows us.. because we were never there!
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29-Sep-2016 05:00:29

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Satans exile said:
Did anyone else get a line of ravens and Korp when they crossed the bridge in the underworld? Does that have anything to do with this?
That's another Ravensworn thing. It's actually a line of crows, and the one Raven at the end who says "You are not prepared" (or something along those lines) in a foreign language.
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30-Sep-2016 05:11:40

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Mod Raven said:
Wahisietel said:
So, apparently, Zanik was talking about Xau-Tak last month, but we missed it. Apparently, she talks about the Soul Obelisk singing to her when you ask her about the Soul Obelisk when you're at the Signature Heroes stage in Zanik's adventures. Or maybe it only happened in November, I dunno. Someone who missed one of the adventures should check.


So gonna just dive in here and wreck this theory, as it is written as verbatim fact, when it's actually a bit of a logical leap.

I can confirm that
at this point in time
Xau-Tak does not have any influence over the Soul Obelisk and Zanik's dialogue is referring to something else.

Sorry, figured I should step in now before you tangle yourself in confused webs. ;)

= Raven =
Wate whut?
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16-Dec-2016 02:28:36

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Okay I cba to go through everything I've missed but here we go with what I did read.

That thing about the engram is interesting. Personally, part of it makes me think of Mother Mallum, especially the "finding a new host" part. The likelihood of a connection to Xau-Tak is pretty high otherwise, though it gives a whole new twist to his story. If he was indeed the Corruption at the center, how did... it get there in the first place? I have a theory I'm working, but it's way too long for me to type out right now.. maybe later?

As for the connection to the Elders... that fits into my theory as well...
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Gamez X said:
Long explanation about C'thlhu and Leng... I need space.

Put simply i think its highly likely that xau tak is from the global ocean underneath the surface of the ancient planet leng at the bottom end of the universe
I agree that this is a probable point of origin for Xau-Tak. The idea that this name is so obviously inspired by the plateau mentioned in half a dozen works of H.P. Lovecraft can't be a coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences that big.

A more interesting thing to note is that in the C'thulhu mythos, Leng is actually a "moving" (it is referenced as being in different places in every instance) plateau of ice that is said to be where the barriers between realities break, where one can enter different realities. In the first reference, it was stated in the Necronomicon that Leng is inhabited by corpse-eating men. I don't know why, but it makes me think of the... corpse-oceans of Xau-Tak. It is possible that Xau-Tak is a literal flesh-eater who somehow obtained godhood aeons ago, and has gone from feeding on flesh to feeding on the life-force of the world itself, hence why he was called a "parasite" by Guthix. And that his followers feed on corpses, because those are his people. Hence why the worlds he has taken are "corpse-oceans," as said by V.

You could be on to something, here.
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