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It's almost a shame that it's been confirmed Zaros/Seren are the only gods born as gods because ***-Tak seems so... Beyond any ascended being. I don't mean his power, he doesn't seem to be that powerful it's just his character and nature seems to be so... Alien, I suppose. It feels very lovecraftian to me, and not just because of the tentacles. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-Feb-2016 18:30:49

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Ahtelhrax said:
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Happily reading diaries during Kindred Spirits, while feeling like a failure in the previous two puzzles.

"Do you really think you can save them, CakeRider? You can't. The spiral of time leads only to the gaping maw of eternity. And this is Xau-Tak."


My face when.

Odd, considering the diary is set in the 2nd age. (Because the Asylum is active in the diary)


That was kind of the entire poiny. It was supposed to be this ominous wt* moment.

Xau-Tak makes the guy say it because he knows we'll read the journal Sliske wrote in the future.
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23-May-2016 19:01:41

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Before people start with it, no Xau-Tak most likely isn't the 6th elder god. V talks about Xau-Tak as if he's an old enemy of his. If Xau-Tak was an elder god it'd make no sense for V to survive an encounter. -
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23-May-2016 19:06:25

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This might be completely irrelevant, but Top Trumps list The Skeletal Horror, something a lot of you connet to Xau-Tak, age as 5 years. -
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25-May-2016 02:21:12

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Wahisietel said:
Bandos - He wasn't on Gielinor yet.


Are you sure? We know from The History of The Goblins on the website that he arrived in the second age (I believe Mod John A said something similar in a q&a as well). His memories claim he sensed battle on Gielinor, but there were plenty of wars in the second age. Gods fighting wasn't exclusive to the third age.
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11-Jul-2016 18:04:55

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About the V debate... It is of course possible that V never encountered Xau-Tak directly, but I don't think it's too unlikely that he could have survived. He had after all ascended. It's possible that, even though they are as fallible as mortals, the minds of the gods are more complex and powerful than we migh think. They might be able to comprehend concepts, or in this case beings, that we cannot.
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Oh and one more thing... The cutscene with Rabid Jack's death seems to imply he's
made some sort of deal with Xau-Tak, and that its the reason he's ressurected later on.

What's all this talk o' dead and finished? Don't ye know me? The sea knows me, and I've given lives aplenty to her. She'll not let me die now – or ever!

Does this contradict with the whole eldritch horror vibe, or is Jack just being dramatic and the truth is his crew has just been using Xau-Tak's dark slabs without any direct connection to the entity?
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05-Aug-2016 19:39:22 - Last edited on 05-Aug-2016 21:25:00 by AesirWarrior

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Whenever we met Bandos he was always encased in a suit of armour. He could have lost half his body and we wouldn't know. I doubt there are many injuries he'd be unable to heal over time anyway. What scars do Zamorak have from blowing up Forinthry?

Maybe Xau-Tak can't be killed because it doesn't truly belong on this plane of existence? It exists outside our reality and is merely (metaphorically) scratching the barrier. Zaros, Seren, Bandos or Saradomin could have far more power over this reality, but they'd never be able to truly kill it because it's never fully "here". However, they could "imprison" it, cut off its connection, so that it couldn't influence this realm any further. That's certainly in line with quite a few lovecraftian deities. Heck, maybe the reason it knew our name back in the second age is because it exists outside of time and space


I doubt this prion theory will end up being correct, but it's certainly an interesting idea.
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16-Sep-2016 21:30:30 - Last edited on 16-Sep-2016 21:30:45 by AesirWarrior

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Cthris said:
AesirWarrior said:
. I doubt there are many injuries he'd be unable to heal over time anyway.


I'm like 98.3 percent sure that Hazeel is referring to old Bandos concept art/podcast that stated that while Bandos could have healed his eye, he chose not too because he wears his scars like trophies. Assuming that's still "cannon" then Bandos would likely choose not to heal any injuries he got from Xua-Tak.


Yeah but... there's a difference between losing an eye and an arm. An eye isn't that useful to him (he had what? 6?), but losing an arm or anything useful is probably something he wouldn't endure just to have a "trophy"...

... On the other hand, I guess a god doesn't really need limbs. He could just use telekinesis for everything.

Anyway, we still don't know what he looked like under all that armour (apart from the face).
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16-Sep-2016 23:50:39 - Last edited on 16-Sep-2016 23:51:28 by AesirWarrior

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Wahisietel said:
Mod Raven has said that they are very reluctant to do any more time travel plots (with us doing the time travel, at least) as recently as The Light Within, since it cheapens storylines if we're just able to go back and change things.


I mean, there's a thousand ways to work around that. The easiest way would be to change the time travel rules so we literally cant change the past, because any time travel is already part of history. It'd all be stable time loops/bootstrap paradoxes. Think Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban, or Gargoyles if any of you have seen that.

... Of course that'd involve retconning Meeting History, so they could do something else.

Either way, I doubt we've seen the last of time travel in this game. There pretty much has to be some in Robert's story for his notes to make any sense at all. Doubt there'll be any in Xau-Tak's story though. I think Xau-Tak knew our name because it either exists outside of time somewhat, or it can see through it. If the people of Seers Village can see the future then an eldritch abomination can too.
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- We call it being a hero.

23-Sep-2016 21:16:42 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2016 21:19:08 by AesirWarrior

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I like the idea of fixed points, and I really like Doctor Who, but I can't say they're very consistent. Sure, you cant directly change them without seriously messing up the universe, but there have been several instances where changing something "in flux" would have indirectly changed a fixed point.

- When the Carrionites planned to throw the universe back into one of Witchcraft, The Doctor seemed fairly certain that they could succeed, despite the fact that that would rewrite tons of fixed points. He even compared it to Back to The Future.

- The Dalek reality bomb would have rewritten everything after 2008(year?). I actually thought it was a bit strange how that one Dalek spared Adelaide when her and every other fixed point would be nullified by the bomb anyway. Sure, the bomb didn't go off, but The Daleks were incredibly convinced that it could have. They were second only to The Timelords when it came to knowledge of time, so I think they would have known if it was impossible. I suppose they could have a "paradox machine", like the one The Master built.

- And let's not forget the myriad of parallel universes, which seems to imply fixed points can be changed in some way. Pete's world diverged from ours when the werewolf killed Queen Victoria (at least according to an interview iirc), I find it hard to believe her life isn't a fixed point in "our" universe.

There's a lot more, but you get the point.

I suppose you could argue that only Timelords and Daleks have knowledge about how to change fixed points, or perhaps that fixed points naturally change, but I don't think it was ever very clear how it worked. Nevertheless, it still works, so I guess RS could use it.
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I kind of have to disagree with the idea that we can only change minor events. The existence of The Dimension of Disaster implies that our journey into the past had a colossal effect on history. Seren never went to Gielinor, Loarnab built an empire instead of Zaros, etc.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-Sep-2016 19:10:47

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AesirWarrior said:
Nevertheless, it still works, so I guess RS could use it


I ran out of characters, but what I meant is that, while there are some minor problems here and there, it still works for individual stories on a basic level. If we travel back to the betrayal and find out we can't prevent Zamorak's ascension then that works perfectly fine for that story. The details of how exactly fixed points work is actually irrelevant. All that matters is that they exist, and that they prevent us from messing up the future. So I do agree with you that it could work for RS.
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- We call it being a hero.

24-Sep-2016 19:17:54 - Last edited on 24-Sep-2016 19:20:29 by AesirWarrior

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Oh it pretty much has to happen with Robert eventually, so I don't think it's a pointless discussion (even then, we have tons of those). I mean, the main reason it popped up here was because of the possibility it could happen with Xau-Tak's story (though I seriously doubt it). -
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- We call it being a hero.

26-Sep-2016 08:00:10

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I doubt Mallum is related to Xau-Tak tbh. She seems to have her own motivations and goals, seperate from Xau-Tak. Everything she did, she did for herself and her "family". I doubt she'd (willingly) follow a higher power. Unless, of course, she's some kind of pawn. -
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- We call it being a hero.

28-Sep-2016 19:55:40

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You're assuming that we'll have some nice long discussion with the guy, or an adventure. The only thing we've been instructed to do is give him a note.

There is practically no way Robert's story could work without time travel (though what kind is anyone's guess), seriously. Even if past Robert knew the future then that doesn't explain how he tells himself to do stuff he's already done, and knows... And there's even a date in the notes. It's blatantly obvious once you actually connect the dots. Seriously, take a close look at the notes. I trust I don't have to spell it all out.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

29-Sep-2016 07:56:26

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Raleirosen said:
Wahisietel said:
So, just throwing this out there, what if Xau-Tak completely ignored many of the established rules of the RuneScape universe? What if Xau-Tak simply did not make sense in the eyes of "science", and was capable of many seemingly impossible feats?

I'm talking about "creation of life" level stuff here. Stuff that's firmly established as impossible and fundamentally wrong, but Xau-Tak is inexplicably capable of it anyway.
Isn't that a given? Pretty sure Wilson mentioned the phrase "reality-warping" or something to that effect.


TBF you could probably argue that most of the gods (and maybe just magic in general) are reality warping to some extent.
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25-Feb-2017 18:51:50

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I don't want Xau-Tak to have any appearance at all beyond vague interpretations. In true Lovecraftian fashion looking at it should make you insane. -
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- We call it being a hero.

02-Mar-2017 00:53:04 - Last edited on 02-Mar-2017 00:53:25 by AesirWarrior

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P Caesar said:
Xau-Tak Xau-Tak Xau-Tak Xau-Tak... it's fun


Well, holy shit. It's all coming together now, isn't it? I'm 95% it's talking about Xau-Tak here. I like it. It's suitably different from the origins of the other gods, and fairly epic whatwith the world exploding and all that... yet it doesn't actually reveal anything, does it? We don't know how the corruption got there in the first place and to be honest I don't think I want to know. I think we can manage with a little mystery there. I think it's refreshing after how... "standardised" lore has become recently.

The planet exploding is pretty interesting. Aside from being too epic to ever appear in-game (like 90% of the gods' accomplishment), I wonder if this means there could be more than one Xau-Tak out there, unless all shards still have a shared consciousness.

I also wonder if the corruption itself is even sentient. Guthix mentioned it being capable of taking hosts, and I imagine the reason he's afraid of it is because he doesn't want to become one. Perhaps this corruption is some sort of primordial darkness, and Xau-Tak is the entity that came into being after it found a suitable host. A karamthulu perhaps?
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- We call it being a hero.

14-Mar-2017 09:12:40 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2017 09:13:20 by AesirWarrior

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Wahisietel said:

I think the Elder Gods may be related to Xau-Tak somewhat... In the sense that they, along with Guthix and Seren, may be part of the reason why it hasn't done to Gielinor what it did to Renmark.

Is it a coincidence that Xau-Tak started influencing itself more right after Guthix died?


Did it though?

In the pirate series Xau-Tak was most likely responsible for quite a few "ressurections" and the Skeletal Horror. In the 6th age we've really only found out more about it.I don't think it has actually become more active. V speaks of sensing Xau-Tak, but he hasn't been on Gielinor for millenia anyway, and Death at Sea was written in the 2nd age. The most notable 6th age "Incident" is probably the posessed Cave Goblin, but, seeing as though it's the first time we enter the afterlife anyway, it can't really be compared to anything. For all we know Xau-Tak has always been capable of influencing the souls of the dead, and only spoke once we arrived.

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Anyway...

I believe this Hermit crab dialogue has already been quoted in this thread, but it gains new meaning after the Renmark revelation:


Hermit crab: Clatterclatter[sic] click clatter clack click clatter clatter click... (You know, this place is too dry, but at least I don't have to worry about giant stone hands.)
Player: Giant stone what?
Hermit crab: Clickclack! Clatter clack clack clatter click clack clack. (I can't tell you! Last time I tried I was locked in an aquarium by a unicorn-man.)

So it seems like the Centaurs are aware that Xau-Tak corrupted their world, and it looks like something they want to forget.
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- We call it being a hero.

16-Mar-2017 22:07:37 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2017 22:08:27 by AesirWarrior

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AesirWarrior said:
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I believe this Hermit crab dialogue has already been quoted in this thread, but it gains new meaning after the Renmark revelation:


Hermit crab: Clatterclatter[sic] click clatter clack click clatter clatter click... (You know, this place is too dry, but at least I don't have to worry about giant stone hands.)
Player: Giant stone what?
Hermit crab: Clickclack! Clatter clack clack clatter click clack clack. (I can't tell you! Last time I tried I was locked in an aquarium by a unicorn-man.)

So it seems like the Centaurs are aware that Xau-Tak corrupted their world, and it looks like something they want to forget.



While not directly related to Xau-Tak I love that this reveal also makes this outdated lore techbically correct now

Queen of Snow:

The Land of Snow was created aeons ago by Guthix, as part of his balancing of the world. The coldness of this place counteracts the heat of the great deserts and volcanoes of others; ensuring the correct balance of hot and cold
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17-Mar-2017 01:52:09

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Devil Vein said:
Wahisietel said:
Devil Vein said:
Hopefully Mod Raven chimes in to this question: With all the build up in the Sliske's endgame series (Nomads elegy, Kindred Spirts, Children of Mah, and endgame), why hasn't there been any new Xau content released lately? We are peppered with all kinds of Xau references in the years big Arc and then...nothing.


Xau did seem to get some fairly extensive lore with Memorial to Guthix (plus Deathbeard's Demise gave a bit too). The lack of references since then is likely down to the lack of meaningful content in general.


I may have missed it, what part of Deathbeard's demise was related to Xau? Also, I know a lot of people feel like the Memorial to Guthix bit was about the parasite queen, I personally think it was Xau but neither theory has been confirmed.


Look at how many Xau-Tak references we have in this thread, now look at how many are "confirmed". We don't *really* know he's the power behind the Pirate series' ressurections, we don't *really* know whether he's connected to the Skeletal Horror, and we don't *really* know if Obsidian slabs or anything like that is related to Xau-Tak. None of it's been fully confirmed.

But I'd say it's pretty damn likely. You want there to be explicit Xau-Tak content with no subtlety? That would kind of go against how this entire thing started.
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02-Aug-2017 00:22:19

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I checked out some of the Myths' Guild books from OSRS and this http://oldschoolrunescape.wikia.com/wiki/Imcandoria%27s_fall in particular has a similar Lovecraftian vibe as Xau-Tak. The reference to black rocks in particular caught my attention. I don't know if there's already some OSRS lore for this thing, but we know a lot of the lorebooks were written by RS3 devs.

I don't think it's Xau-Tak itself mind, as the people observing it should go insane if that were the case, but perhaps it's some kind of avatar?
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09-Feb-2018 22:16:06 - Last edited on 09-Feb-2018 22:16:38 by AesirWarrior

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Tlamovec said:


B) Not sure to what extent can Oldschool be considered lore



OldSchool is its own world, but Jagex seem to be trying to keep the lore/general backstory between the games somewhat consistent. Dragon Slayer II for instance references Kethsi (and indirectly bane), Elder Artifacts beyond the stone, the Dragonkin Languge from OOAK, and Jas as female. The Myths' Guild even has a book that's a near-direct sequel to Last Riders, despite the book not even existing in OSRS. In the absence of contradicting RS3 lore I don't see anything wrong with at least taking it into account.
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10-Feb-2018 15:55:42

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Personally I assumed the creature described in "The Weeping" was the Chaos Elemental. It was found roughly around the same area the Elemental now roams, and the physical description matches quite well (perhaps the OSRS version more than the RS3 version though). -
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14-Mar-2018 00:02:17

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Gamez X said:
Yeah they've started saying he's got black hands (which i always thought as odd). But theres lore books from the 2nd age dealing with xau tak that describe sailors hauling up writhing masses of tentacles (very lovecraftian). Every description of him before has been of a giant maw and writhing mass. V said his tendrils are everywhere and he's visited his corpse oceans. He's apparently made the crassians (ocean creatures), stalkers (described as fish eyes with tentacles), had horrors walk themselves into the sea and return mutated with tentacles

Everything about him says lovecraft (heck even the achievment for reading all the horror books in named this) and everything lovecraft and ingame so far says oceans and tentacle creatures. So its just odd and weird how they seem to be like "nah scrap that, we'll make a stone hand monster". This is why i hope they DONT make him lava based, he's clearly meant to be an ocean creature


Honestly, I don't think Xau-Tak is meant to be an anything creature. I'd argue most descriptions we've had of it are more about what feelings it can invoke in mortals, or what it represents. When it's referred to as the "the gaping maw of eternity" I wouldn't interpret that as if it's a literal maw. And when V referred to "tendrils" of Xau-Tak I took that as a reference to its far reaching influence. When it comes to lovecraftian horror, tentacles are just a common theme anyway, fear of the unknown and hopelessness are way, way more important.

Hell even the stone hand from Pieces of Hate barely appears if your insanity is low, implying it's just our mind's interpretation of it.
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