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Maiden China

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Hguoh said:
I can brain very well today
I mean that the fire giants in pompeii, if the doctor let them take over the world, would have so radically changed the world that ww2 ( a fixed point) could never have happened
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24-Sep-2016 16:35:01

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Maiden China said:
Hguoh said:
I can brain very well today
I mean that the fire giants in pompeii, if the doctor let them take over the world, would have so radically changed the world that ww2 ( a fixed point) could never have happened


Pompeii was also a fixed point though.

24-Sep-2016 18:32:49

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I like the idea of fixed points, and I really like Doctor Who, but I can't say they're very consistent. Sure, you cant directly change them without seriously messing up the universe, but there have been several instances where changing something "in flux" would have indirectly changed a fixed point.

- When the Carrionites planned to throw the universe back into one of Witchcraft, The Doctor seemed fairly certain that they could succeed, despite the fact that that would rewrite tons of fixed points. He even compared it to Back to The Future.

- The Dalek reality bomb would have rewritten everything after 2008(year?). I actually thought it was a bit strange how that one Dalek spared Adelaide when her and every other fixed point would be nullified by the bomb anyway. Sure, the bomb didn't go off, but The Daleks were incredibly convinced that it could have. They were second only to The Timelords when it came to knowledge of time, so I think they would have known if it was impossible. I suppose they could have a "paradox machine", like the one The Master built.

- And let's not forget the myriad of parallel universes, which seems to imply fixed points can be changed in some way. Pete's world diverged from ours when the werewolf killed Queen Victoria (at least according to an interview iirc), I find it hard to believe her life isn't a fixed point in "our" universe.

There's a lot more, but you get the point.

I suppose you could argue that only Timelords and Daleks have knowledge about how to change fixed points, or perhaps that fixed points naturally change, but I don't think it was ever very clear how it worked. Nevertheless, it still works, so I guess RS could use it.
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I kind of have to disagree with the idea that we can only change minor events. The existence of The Dimension of Disaster implies that our journey into the past had a colossal effect on history. Seren never went to Gielinor, Loarnab built an empire instead of Zaros, etc.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-Sep-2016 19:10:47

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AesirWarrior said:
Nevertheless, it still works, so I guess RS could use it


I ran out of characters, but what I meant is that, while there are some minor problems here and there, it still works for individual stories on a basic level. If we travel back to the betrayal and find out we can't prevent Zamorak's ascension then that works perfectly fine for that story. The details of how exactly fixed points work is actually irrelevant. All that matters is that they exist, and that they prevent us from messing up the future. So I do agree with you that it could work for RS.
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I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

24-Sep-2016 19:17:54 - Last edited on 24-Sep-2016 19:20:29 by AesirWarrior

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Azzanadra is disappointed that you're wasting time talking about Time Travel when it's not going to happen.
Remember, it was pointed out in the Lore Corner that us seeing the Betrayal wasn't actually going to be time travel.
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26-Sep-2016 05:41:07

AesirWarrior

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Oh it pretty much has to happen with Robert eventually, so I don't think it's a pointless discussion (even then, we have tons of those). I mean, the main reason it popped up here was because of the possibility it could happen with Xau-Tak's story (though I seriously doubt it). -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

26-Sep-2016 08:00:10

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Is that you, Xau-Tak?
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

26-Sep-2016 16:08:30 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2016 16:09:01 by Wahisietel

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Kemtros said:
Wasn't it suggested that the last fragment of Bandos was trying to claw free?


Yeah, but that wouldn't be giving her nightmares of something with clawed hands trying to burst out of her. And we know that Xau-Tak was hanging around the Bandosian afterlife for some reason.

Maybe Xau-Tak was watching Zanik, curious about how she has come back from death so many times.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

26-Sep-2016 19:49:30

Sepulchre
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AesirWarrior said:
Oh it pretty much has to happen with Robert eventually, so I don't think it's a pointless discussion (even then, we have tons of those). I mean, the main reason it popped up here was because of the possibility it could happen with Xau-Tak's story (though I seriously doubt it).
Actually they said on the Lore Corner they weren't planning to do any time-travel shenanigans with Robert's story, I do believe?
A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate.

27-Sep-2016 04:46:12

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