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Tiny Beaver
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Prior to her imprisonment, it appeared that Nex was a near unkillable living weapon.
Nex now however, has been greatly empowered. Are we to assume that she has godly powers now? While I don't think Nex fits the bill for a god in most aspects, her raw power in a straight up fight raises questions for me.

1) Could Nex now go toe-to-toe with a god or gods? If so, what tier of god?

2) Just how powerful (compared to the tier scaling of gods) can a non-god be? Once again, I ask this in terms of raw fighting potential.

3) What exactly do the god tiers tell us? It doesn't seem as simple as a higher tier flat out always beating a lower tier in a battle between the two.

4) Who is the most powerful non-god in terms of fighting potential?

To give my own thoughts on this somewhat briefly. I do not see why a non-god cannot pose a threat, or even flat out overpower a god, if they were to fight. Having what could be considered a living weapon, capable of defeating gods, as an ally, would definitely add an interesting twist to a gods forces. Nex at least seems to pose a threat to the young gods, and it would be fitting to see her show her true potential and garner some respect for what she is.
Beings like Nex, Vorago, and so on, keep a simple tier system from being possible and I like that. I don't think it's always interesting if a leaders most powerful unit is themselves.
I suppose what I'm really saying, is that in my eyes at least, is if the gods fighting it out was like a game of chess, Nex would make one hell of a queen.

18-Mar-2017 06:55:19

Raleirosen
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Another one of these... seems to be a popular topic of conversation. Oh well, can't hurt.

My guess is that Nex is somewhere near the demigod/avatar tier (7 or 8). The example of Zaros is evidence enough that divine strength does not inherently lend itself to fighting potential, but since Nex is effectively an attack dog her combat prowess is probably top tier. So yes, she could possibly fight a god.

Problem is, gods will always have the advantage over mortals simply because they have more resources to draw upon in a fight; very slim chance of Nex overpowering any god save for maybe Marimbo (who probably has little to no combat experience) or Icthlarin (who ranks as a demigod).

To answer your fourth question: the player, obviously.
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18-Mar-2017 10:09:19 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2017 10:25:40 by Raleirosen

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I theorize that before empowerment, she could harass a god enough to give them pause in what they are doing (as it specifically states that the Gods fear her), but I think that it's more of a "she can decimate armies in seconds, and I need my armies" kind of thing.

After Empowerment, I think that she could go toe to toe with Saradomin for a decent amount of time before she would need to go back and recharge.

My logic behind it is that Zaros himself feared the Shadow Leviathans, so he got 9001 (i think that was the number) of the lesser things to get an equal amount of power, and then tune that, and four other things of equal power to Nex. If a T2 god fears something, then I'd say it is something worth fearing.

18-Mar-2017 20:38:41

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Raleirosen said:
To answer your fourth question: the player, obviously.
I'd disqualify the wg for bending the rules of the universeElf of Seren said:
My logic behind it is that Zaros himself feared the Shadow Leviathans, so he got 9001 (i think that was the number) of the lesser things to get an equal amount of power, and then tune that, and four other things of equal power to Nex. If a T2 god fears something, then I'd say it is something worth fearing.
maybe. Or maybe zaros is just kind of a coward

and nex is only empowered when she's in her chamber, which means that aspect of her wouldn't come along in any real fight (unless someone's dumb enough to fight her where she's her most powerful *cough*)
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18-Mar-2017 22:40:40

Raleirosen
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Elf of Seren said:
I theorize that before empowerment, she could harass a god enough to give them pause in what they are doing (as it specifically states that the Gods fear her), but I think that it's more of a "she can decimate armies in seconds, and I need my armies" kind of thing.
Totally absurd and based solely on the "fear" statement, which has nothing to do with power levels.
Elf of Seren said:
After Empowerment, I think that she could go toe to toe with Saradomin for a decent amount of time before she would need to go back and recharge.

My logic behind it is that Zaros himself feared the Shadow Leviathans, so he got 9001 (i think that was the number) of the lesser things to get an equal amount of power, and then tune that, and four other things of equal power to Nex. If a T2 god fears something, then I'd say it is something worth fearing.
Again, the fear quote is meaningless in this context. What's more, Zaros is a known coward; him "fearing" something is par for the course. So this is an even more worthless assessment than the first.
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19-Mar-2017 00:59:51

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Raleirosen said:
Again, the fear quote is meaningless in this context. What's more, Zaros is a known coward; him "fearing" something is par for the course. So this is an even more worthless assessment than the first.


Exactly how is Zaros "a known coward?"

Yeah, the guy didn't get as personally involved with his armies as the other gods did, but his battle with Loarnab and the events of Children of Mah show us that he is more than capable of holding his own in direct combat.

If anything, I'd say that Zaros is overconfident. His entire plan prior to the endgame hinged upon the elder gods being willing to listen to and follow him (even assuming he achieved elder godhood, that'd still be 1 vs 4). He told off the big mama elder god herself (Jas) even though he was still t2, and she could have squashed him like a bug or have unmade him on the spot. Heck, the one time the guy lost a fight was because he was so confident Zamorak couldn't escape his mind prison that he didn't actually put up a fight.

For Guthix's sake, the guy's entire purpose prior to the betrayal (and again now) is literally to play god and make life because 'he deserves it.' If something is enough to give him pause, it's probably best to give it a wide berth.

There's one important thing to remember, however. The dialogue doesn't specify why Zaros fears the Leviathans. It could be shear power, it could be something else.

19-Mar-2017 01:51:27

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Fact is the only time Zaros has shown anything close to fear is when Mah was beginning to wake up and realize he was in front of her.

But do tell me, what coward fights against Loarnab, Zamorak, An Arch Glacor and the Mother of Drakan... and wins?
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Raleirosen
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Hguoh said:
Exactly how is Zaros "a known coward?"

Yeah, the guy didn't get as personally involved with his armies as the other gods did, but his battle with Loarnab and the events of Children of Mah show us that he is more than capable of holding his own in direct combat.
The events of the betrayal are a neat counterpoint to both Loarnab (which, correct me if I'm wrong, was less of a fight and more of a prolonged chokehold) and CoM (which in my estimation involved Zaros goading Zamorak into attacking).

Zaros isn't a coward in the sense that he's overcome by fear; he simply doesn't put his life on the line unless it's absolutely necessary/things are totally under his control. Perhaps you'd like the phrase "overdeveloped sense of self-preservation" better?

Lethalintent said:
Fact is the only time Zaros has shown anything close to fear is when Mah was beginning to wake up and realize he was in front of her.
Fact is, that almost certainly has everything to do with how enamored he is with his "birthright" and nothing to do with any kind of courage he might possess.
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19-Mar-2017 04:05:09

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Elf of Seren said:
I theorize that before empowerment, she could harass a god enough to give them pause in what they are doing (as it specifically states that the Gods fear her), but I think that it's more of a "she can decimate armies in seconds, and I need my armies" kind of thing.

After Empowerment, I think that she could go toe to toe with Saradomin for a decent amount of time before she would need to go back and recharge.

My logic behind it is that Zaros himself feared the Shadow Leviathans, so he got 9001 (i think that was the number) of the lesser things to get an equal amount of power, and then tune that, and four other things of equal power to Nex. If a T2 god fears something, then I'd say it is something worth fearing.


The gods fear her for what she represents, not for her power. Go toe to toe with Saradomin? Please. He's a confirmed continent-buster. Nex is nowhere near, empowered or otherwise.
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19-Mar-2017 04:43:59

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Think of Nex like Achilles: a virtual demi-god on the battlefield, but neither totally invincible nor able to harm those higher than her station.

In the story of the Illiad, even some gods were reluctant to fight Achilles.
Though Achilles was the greatest fighter on the battlefield, capable of turning the tide of any fight, or preventing a rout ... he was still but 1 man.
Yes, he was virtually impenetrable (Except for his Achilles heel). And he had armor fashioned by Hephaestus.

Nex has/had an ability similar to the Cthonian demons, where she could consume other creatures and gain some semblance of their power as her own.
But, this could have also been propaganda spread by Zarosians. Afterall, if you're a nigh-unbeatable monster on the battlefield, you should expect those on your side to embellish your actions, or for your opponents to demonize you and saying slanderous things. So the origins of her powers might be mere rumor and myth, instead of fact.
We do know that Zaros created her, and like the other Nihil, started out as ... something else.
But unlike the others, there was something ... different.
But we don't have confirmation if Nex was some Cthonian demon or other creature before being turned into a Nihil.

We do know for a fact that her power is real.
The God Wars, it twice! took an army to drive her and her army back.
First time to imprison her.
Second time to reimprison her.

Even today, it does take a group of adventurers to take her down (or at least, none named Woox) whether in her normal mode, or in her "Angel of Death" form.
And keep in mind, that is high level modern adventurers fighting her. (we can't really make direct comparisons between 5th-6th Age combatants vs 3rd Age.)

19-Mar-2017 05:19:01

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