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This thread has J Mod permission to be here.

For those of you interested, members of the lore community have come together to make an official friend's chat dedicated to lore. It is used for lore discussion, communal events, and acts as a general hangout for members of the lore community (J Mods included). For those of you interested in taking part in lore/quest discussion and/or events with other members of the community, join "lore fc".
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

28-Jan-2016 02:28:03 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2016 11:30:15 by ChaosáLupus

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Generals:

Ascertes
Chaos Lupus
Cthris
Dennorak
Dethal
Half Centaur
Hazeel
Helring
Infinity Tao
Jaina Katarn
King Shoshon
*aleirosen
Raxxess
Sky Jexel
Solanumtinkr
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28-Jan-2016 02:28:08 - Last edited on 21-Jan-2017 14:08:49 by ChaosáLupus

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Hazeel said:
BloodnSkulls said:
2

but if someone comes into the fc, makes trouble and no one can kick, then what do we do?


Deal with it and allow it to continue. There's nothing else we can do, except perhaps go to the fallback plan. With that said, unless Dethal really feels that he can't handle it, I'm going with Option 1.


Do you want me to put you down for 1 now or wait until Dethal comments?
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30-Jan-2016 04:02:13

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@ Darkest

Dethal said:
Well hello and sorry that I've been busy lately.
My opinion on the current vote is that option 2 sounds better. This mostly because a lot of people have smileys and I feel like that'd lead to abuse much easier if they all were able to kick new people.

Option 2, on the other hand, sounds pretty good. Ignore list exists for a reason, and if someone breaks the rules, you can just screenshot it and send it to me. This way there will be no rogue kicking and hassle with every single member interpreting the rules as they see fit.

As a side note, I'm removing the general ranks today. Thanks for everyone who did their part in that :)


After this are you still for 1 or changing to 2?
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30-Jan-2016 17:39:07

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EáLáLáU said:
I am not going to point out specific people here, but can we have stricter monitoring in the Lore FC? Over half of the conversations that go on in the fc is rated NC-17, and these discussions most certainly break the RS rules. The fc rarely even talks about actual lore. Mostly gruesome fanfiction and headcanon fantasy discussions between RS characters take place in the fc - and this is of the adult nature. I am not trying to be a social justice warrior here or anything. I am just being a good boy, obeying the rules Jagex implemented, and seemingly, the lore fc seems to be an environment that digresses away from these policies.

I have used the report system a many times when someone utters things that would fall under the"seriously inappropriate language", but these individuals keep coming back after X days/weeks after they served their mute sentences. The only sure fire way to keep this fc in line with Jagex's rules is to have generals or whatever to be able to kick/ban individuals, so they do not keep coming back and speaking whatever is on their perverse mind. Yes, I understand it is your freedom of speech to say whatever you want, but that rule has its limits. It is limited in public schools and many other places. Our free speech is limited the moment we clicked "accept" to the Terms and Conditions when we signed up for RS and we all must abide to these rules. If others others do not follow these rules, we need to discourage them to, not encourage/ignore them, and if they refuse to cooperate, we must shun them (kick/ban them), even if Jagex's report system won't.


I don't see the issue. If you don't want to see what others are saying, just put them on your ignore list. I don't see how monitoring everyone like children is the solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
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14-Mar-2016 06:01:14

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EáLáLáU said:
ChaosáLupus said:


I don't see the issue. If you don't want to see what others are saying, just put them on your ignore list. I don't see how monitoring everyone like children is the solution to a problem that doesn't exist.


They are breaking the game rules. If there were no rules that forbade the discussion of things such as s*xual content, I would allow this, but this is not the case. Jagex's report system obviously isn't working. I've seen advertisers near lodestones that I reported, and they are still there days later. If Jagex's report systems can't take care of the rulebreakers, we are next in line to take action. We need to help Jagex monitor the game and make this a friendly for all environment, like they intended so in the rules. We can't simply ignore something and pretend the world is not exploding around us. We might not be able to mute them, like the rules state they should be, but we can still kick/ban them until they learn how to behave.

This FC may not have much rules, but it should at least follow jagex's main rules.


Jagex doesn't pay us to enforce their rules. I fail to see why everything needs to be a friendly environment. Just put people on ignore if you don't want to see what they have to say, there's no reason to regulate their behavior. The FC isn't your private safe space.
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14-Mar-2016 13:29:39

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Visenya 1st said:
EáLáLáU said:
ChaosáLupus said:


I don't see the issue. If you don't want to see what others are saying, just put them on your ignore list. I don't see how monitoring everyone like children is the solution to a problem that doesn't exist.


They are breaking the game rules. If there were no rules that forbade the discussion of things such as s*xual content, I would allow this, but this is not the case. Jagex's report system obviously isn't working. I've seen advertisers near lodestones that I reported, and they are still there days later. If Jagex's report systems can't take care of the rulebreakers, we are next in line to take action. We need to help Jagex monitor the game and make this a friendly for all environment, like they intended so in the rules. We can't simply ignore something and pretend the world is not exploding around us. We might not be able to mute them, like the rules state they should be, but we can still kick/ban them until they learn how to behave.

This FC may not have much rules, but it should at least follow jagex's main rules.


So that means we can't talk about politics either.

ChaosáLupus said:
6.) Real life issues, including politics and religion, are permitted topics of discussion.


So we're gonna be a pretty inactive FC, considering how often we go from Lore FC to Politics FC.

-Queen Visenya, Consort and Sister to His Grace Aegon I Targaryen


The old system was voted out.
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14-Mar-2016 13:31:15

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Unicornzápwn said:
Special FC Announcement:


From this point forward, the following rules shall be enforced:

1. Follow All Jagex Rules.

2. No Flaming.

3. No Spamming.

4. Keep All Discussion Civil.


Decided on by who and enforced by who? If there's an obvious issue with someone like a spammer, just let Dethal ban them.
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15-Mar-2016 22:08:08

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Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
Special FC Announcement:


From this point forward, the following rules shall be enforced:

1. Follow All Jagex Rules.

2. No Flaming.

3. No Spamming.

4. Keep All Discussion Civil.


Decided on by who and enforced by who? If there's an obvious issue with someone like a spammer, just let Dethal ban them.

Well I think everyone agrees that these rules are good guidelines to follow.

As for enforcement, special Generals have been appointed by Dethal (like yourself) to insure the FC remains a stable environment for discussion.


But we just had a vote to get rid of generals...
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15-Mar-2016 22:18:04

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EáLáLáU said:
^

It just wasn't working, mate. Zamorakianism/Anarchy wasn't the way to go. In order to have a successful society, there needs to be laws and law enforcers, or else everything falls into chaos, which is what certain saradominist, armadylean, serenist players in the fc didn't like. This FC situation was a perfect testament to that notion. Let's all look up to Seren and try to cooperate in harmony (with guns pointed behind your back) :D Hopefully, this time around, this FC doesn't fall into chaos again like the whole wizard tower fiasco.


I disagree, I think it was working perfectly. I'm not sure how fictional gods or real-world society have anything to do with a friends chat in a video game. We also never held an official vote to decide whether or not to revert the decision.
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15-Mar-2016 22:50:03

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Unicornzápwn said:
Dennorak said:
My issue with nominating Generals and voting on them is it just becomes a "you nominate me, I nominate you" type of deal.

Yea, there was a lot of corruption and backroom deal making going on in how Generals were selected previously.

This allows the FC to still be a stable place for discussion and still avoid FC politics.


I don't see how this election process, however it went down, is better. I also don't see why we need generals again.
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16-Mar-2016 01:27:07

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Dethal said:
Okay I guess I should post here too so that everyone can read what goes on in my head.

Lately the fc has seen a lot of conversation. Heated conversation, even. And no one had the power to do anything about it, since we had no generals and so on.
Then I was told that many people aren't happy with how the things are now, so I was okay with trying something to make the fc a better place for all of us.

So if this works out fine, cool. If not, we'll get back to voting or no generals or whatever. I'd be interested to hear what people think about this now. Or if there are suggestions to generals or anything.


The way I see it, if people want to engage in heated discussion that's fine, if not that's fine too. If they don't want to see it, the ignore button is right there. We don't need to manage everyone like children.

However, if there is going to be a change in the structure of the FC, it should at least be voted upon.
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16-Mar-2016 02:10:28

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Raxxess said:
One reservation I did have and I talked to Dethal and others about this so I'll just put it out there.

Factions politics have long plagued the FC, and I myself am just kind of cautious over the fact that in terms of factions of our like 10 generals 5 are zamorakians, 4 Zarosians, and me as the Saradominists. I just think it would be nicer if things were a little more diverse but I know that dethal said he would consider this.


If we are going to switch back to generals, I don't think factions should have anything to do with it. If someone does let their faction influence their decisions, they aren't fit for the role and it should instead be given to someone else.
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16-Mar-2016 02:12:21

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Unicornzápwn said:
ErenáLapucet said:
Well, this is a silly poll. Although uni, you are incorrect. This *is* how things works. Every "official" poll in the past was initiated by one person just like that.

That's actually not how votes were done. Unless you are serious when you refer to this as a poll.

Anyone can post a poll, it just isn't binding in any way.


We should definitely hold a vote to keep the no-generals system or go back to having them. A lot of people don't like the way in which the new generals were decided upon, myself included. I'll add a poll to the front page, the vote will last for a week as they usually do.

Option 1: Revert back to a system with no generals

Option 2: Elect new generals
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18-Mar-2016 03:27:17

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Helring said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Current Vote:

Option 1: Revert back to a system with no generals
Chaos Lupus

Option 2: Elect new generals

Option 3: Helring becomes the Supreme Overlord of the FC


I choose Option 3, however should that option have no chance I vote for Option 1


So...1? :P

I'll change your vote to 3 if it picks up any steam.
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18-Mar-2016 03:45:57

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Dethal said:
Okay add the vote option that I pick some generals and they will then try to keep the discussion civil.
Like it's a video game chat, not some actual political thingy. No one will have any power anyway. And this way I could also deal with potential problems much faster without having to worry about stuff so much.

Oh and I vote for that.


Why don't we just keep one general option so the vote isn't split and allow you to remove any that cause obvious problems?
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18-Mar-2016 04:01:11

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Raleirosen said:
ChaosáLupus said:
I still don't see the point of adding generals again. IMO the no-general system was working perfectly.

Lupus, if you seriously think that then you simply were not active in the chat prior to the reinstating of generals.

In any case, I vote for Dethalocracy. If he's willing to take matters into his own hands, that's the best option.


Then explain to me the issue because I have yet to see anything that isn't easily fixable with the ignore button.
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18-Mar-2016 05:45:57

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Raleirosen said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Then explain to me the issue because I have yet to see anything that isn't easily fixable with the ignore button.

For almost a straight week beforehand, the FC was derailed on a daily basis (usually more than once throughout the day). I was present for many of them.

These derailments were not solvable via the ignore list; they involved multiple people (I would tentatively estimate 4+), some of whom were normally upstanding members of the chat. Asking people to add all offenders to their ignore list for the duration of the derailment before removing them after the dust settles was a preposterous solution back when this anarchist nonsense was first proposed, and it still is now. The only reasonable solution during these cluster****s was to leave the chat; and I do not consider that acceptable.

Simply put, the social experiment was a failure. Micromanagement of the ignore list is a ridiculous proposition, and people leaving the chat is the opposite of what I want.


How exactly is the ignore list not a solution? You don't want to see the conversation, you don't have to. It's an easy fix. Or you could just not take issue with people discussing what's on their minds in the first place. Going back to micromanaging everyone's behavior for a chat on a video game is ridiculous.
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18-Mar-2016 16:21:20

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Hazeel said:
The ignore list is good in theory, but for it to work in practice, everyone has to use it, otherwise you're left with ignoring just about everyone who doesn't use it.


I don't even use it and I manage just fine. The ignore button is just there for people with thin skin, just like generals, except without the risk of people abusing it. I fail to see the issue with people behaving like themselves.
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18-Mar-2016 16:31:45 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 16:32:48 by ChaosáLupus

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Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
Option 4.


Um...what is option 4?

Rally gave an in depth description of it.


Let's be a little more realistic than creating an option for every single person who wants to own the FC.
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18-Mar-2016 18:29:27

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Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
Option 4.


Um...what is option 4?

Rally gave an in depth description of it.


Let's be a little more realistic than creating an option for every single person who wants to own the FC.

That's the one that will gain support though. It's a serious option for a serious solution.

Feel free to vote for what you think is best.

I vote Option 4.


Option 4 isn't an option, otherwise we'd be splitting the vote between a dozen different possible choices.
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18-Mar-2016 18:39:43

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Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
Option 4.


Um...what is option 4?

Rally gave an in depth description of it.


Let's be a little more realistic than creating an option for every single person who wants to own the FC.

That's the one that will gain support though. It's a serious option for a serious solution.

Feel free to vote for what you think is best.

I vote Option 4.


Option 4 isn't an option, otherwise we'd be splitting the vote between a dozen different possible choices.

4 is not a dozen.

I'm casting a vote for the best option proposed yet. I encourage you to think of something better though.

"Ignore list" isn't really what most people have in mind.


No, it becomes a dozen when everyone starts throwing in their hats.

It's what you had in mind when you voted against having generals.
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18-Mar-2016 18:46:39

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Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
Option 4.


Um...what is option 4?

Rally gave an in depth description of it.


Let's be a little more realistic than creating an option for every single person who wants to own the FC.

That's the one that will gain support though. It's a serious option for a serious solution.

Feel free to vote for what you think is best.

I vote Option 4.


Option 4 isn't an option, otherwise we'd be splitting the vote between a dozen different possible choices.

4 is not a dozen.

I'm casting a vote for the best option proposed yet. I encourage you to think of something better though.

"Ignore list" isn't really what most people have in mind.


No, it becomes a dozen when everyone starts throwing in their hats.

It's what you had in mind when you voted against having generals.

I voted in favor of ousting a horrible system. I'm doing the same here.


You voted to oust a horrible system by voting in favor of a horrible system?
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18-Mar-2016 18:51:05

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Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Unicornzápwn said:
Option 4.


Um...what is option 4?

Rally gave an in depth description of it.


Let's be a little more realistic than creating an option for every single person who wants to own the FC.

That's the one that will gain support though. It's a serious option for a serious solution.

Feel free to vote for what you think is best.

I vote Option 4.


Option 4 isn't an option, otherwise we'd be splitting the vote between a dozen different possible choices.

4 is not a dozen.

I'm casting a vote for the best option proposed yet. I encourage you to think of something better though.

"Ignore list" isn't really what most people have in mind.


No, it becomes a dozen when everyone starts throwing in their hats.

It's what you had in mind when you voted against having generals.

I voted in favor of ousting a horrible system. I'm doing the same here.


You voted to oust a horrible system by voting in favor of a horrible system?

I voted for the best system available, there is now an even better system on the table.

Don't worry, no matter what system wins, you are free to ignore whoever you choose.


You proposed that system. X*

I don't put anyone on my ignore list.
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18-Mar-2016 18:56:42

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Syrus Coy said:
No voting


Trust dethal's judgement and lets move on


The last time the FC owner took over and did what they wanted without a vote, we ended up having to move the entire FC. And as far as I'm aware, Dethal hasn't advocated skipping a vote anyway.
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18-Mar-2016 20:03:41 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 20:04:07 by ChaosáLupus

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Raleirosen said:
Tsk. Bunch of copycats.

For the record, I was serious. And I actually put forward a platform, unlike you jokers.


I'm pretty sure that most people would seriously take over as owner of the FC given the choice.
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18-Mar-2016 20:41:30

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Raleirosen said:
ChaosáLupus said:
I'm pretty sure that most people would seriously take over as owner of the FC given the choice.

And I imagine the majority of those people would only do so as a petty power-grab. Most would lack motivation, foresight, impartiality, etc.

I am acutely aware that it's merely a video game chatroom, and only want to improve it. And I proposed a comprehensive plan to do so.


I also want what's best for the FC, as do the others who spoke up about ownership. They were making light of it because of how ridiculous it would be to add an option for everyone who thinks they'd be the best for the role.
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18-Mar-2016 20:50:40

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Hazeel said:
I'll be the first to admit that democracy can be a double edged sword, especially in a community this small. And I trust Dethal, so if people are all for letting him make decisions on his own, that's great.

I just don't want people to feel like they have absolutely no say in what's going on, because that leads to resentment, then hatred, and then an explosion of drama.


I trust Dethal as well, he's put up with a lot of ******** for a long time because he really wants what's best for the FC. That said, I don't think that giving one person complete control over the FC is the solution, especially if that is done without a vote. There is always someone who takes issue when an executive decision is made and it usually ends up driving people away.

If option 3 does end up winning, I'll go along with the majority's decision as I have been doing since the beginning, but it at least needs to pass first.
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18-Mar-2016 20:55:00

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Raleirosen said:
Helring said:
I put myself forward as God Empress before you made your post, and my platform was pretty clear that I'd do whatever I wanted. So, you are the copycat, meow.

Unfortunately I'm not running for god empress; I just want to improve a RuneScape Lore FC.

ChaosáLupus said:
I also want what's best for the FC, as do the others who spoke up about ownership. They were making light of it because of how ridiculous it would be to add an option for everyone who thinks they'd be the best for the role.

It was not meant as an invitation for everyone to throw their hats into the metaphorical ring. I actually thought about what I'd do as gold key and created a plan (bottom of page 18, for those interested).


Everyone has their ideas for what would make the FC better, most just realize what another FC switch would entail. Namely, a split vote and a ton more drama.
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18-Mar-2016 20:56:47

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Raleirosen said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Everyone has their ideas for what would make the FC better, most just realize what another FC switch would entail. Namely, a split vote and a ton more drama.

And unfortunately some of those ideas are simply terrible. I believe I have the best solution, so if it's all the same to you I'll continue to take this seriously.


And other people think that your ideas are terrible, which leaves us with the problem of added drama and a split vote and everything else involved in an owner change.
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18-Mar-2016 21:08:00

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In case it got buried, here are the options for the current vote:

Option 1: Revert back to a system with no generals

Option 2: Elect new generals

Option 3: Allow Dethal to manage everything
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18-Mar-2016 22:16:50

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Raleirosen said:
I would strongly urge people to ignore Option 1. The no-generals system was a failure; that much was clear to anyone regularly active in the FC prior to this upheaval. Moderation is necessary.


I disagree entirely. No moderation was working perfectly, FC members do not need to be monitored like kindergarteners. Electing generals and executive action have led to nothing but power abuse, drama, and headache.
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18-Mar-2016 22:29:27

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Raxxess said:
ChaosáLupus said:
In case it got buried, here are the options for the current vote:

Option 1: Revert back to a system with no generals

Option 2: Elect new generals

Option 3: Allow Dethal to manage everything


I may be wrong but I think Syrus and Rubic voted for 3 but they weren't officially added (their post seems to suggest that)


Syrus just said he didn't want a vote and Rubic added a set of rules that he wanted. If they vote for an option on the thread I'll add them, but I don't make inferences so there is no confusion as to why people were recorded as they are. I'll add that as a note on the front page in case that wasn't clear.
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18-Mar-2016 22:34:35

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Raleirosen said:
ChaosáLupus said:
I disagree entirely. No moderation was working perfectly, FC members do not need to be monitored like kindergarteners. Electing generals and executive action have led to nothing but power abuse, drama, and headache.

You weren't there, m8. That's all I can say.

For nearly a straight week, the FC was derailed on a daily basis. Whether it was Aegon, or pointless religionpolitics arguments that devolved into shouting matches, the FC invariably turned into a ******* mess. To say that no moderation was "working perfectly" is an absolute joke at best, or a flat-out lie at worst. And to preempt you: when the FC is derailed, the ignore list is not a solution, as I've explained before.

In any case, we aren't going to change each others' minds here. I'm just stating my position so the FC does not regress.


And when did I miss an entire week? I don't see the issue with people discussing what they want to discuss.
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18-Mar-2016 22:53:39

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Hazeel said:
Well option 3 looks like it's gonna win, so I figured I'd ask...does this apply to just generals or everything? Are we done with elections or just done with voting in general?


If option 3 wins, Dethal has final say with everything.
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19-Mar-2016 04:21:23

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Talonstalker said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Talonstalker said:
You forgot to put my name on the list, voting for option 2.

For whatever this is all worth it..


You didn't vote for option 2 until now.


Actually, i did.

Talonstalker said:
I'm on the same mind of Ascert and Amascut. To add to Ama, why in Infernus do we let someone like Uni be a general? This is just a betrayal to me...


So what i said is true, from a certain point of few.


No you didn't, you said you were of the same mind as someone who voted for option 1 and someone who voted for option 2. You have to clearly state which you're voting for.
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20-Mar-2016 16:17:55

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Tempthric said:
My decision is option 3


Are you a member of the FC? Dethal doesn't know who you are and I've never seen you in the FC either.
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Hazeel said:
Another alt attack today, likely from you-know-who. With that said, I can't support an FC without generals. If you're thick skinned, great, really it is great. I feel like there would be a lot less drama if everyone could develop a thicker skin. But I simply can't expect people to just tolerate some alt BS because Dethal isn't around. Too many people would likely leave over it.

Not a vote. Just leaving my two cents.


Wouldn't it make more sense to vote?
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24-Mar-2016 02:07:04

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HalfáCentaur said:
Hey, can we get a list of all the generals on the first few posts where the current vote is now?

It'd probably be more helpful.

Also rules. If that's a thing. Idk...


Yeah, I just need a list of generals from Dethal as well as any rules he wants to implement.
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04-Apr-2016 05:07:32

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Hazeel said:
Never understood that mentality....what's the point of having a lore chat (FC or CC) if you don't allow spoilers during quest release? It's like "Hey, let's only allow lore discussion when everyone's done discussing it and there's nothing to discuss anymore." Asinine.


Agreed, and it's also more fun to discuss the quest in detail while mods are in the chat. We never had a no spoiler rule until DAT because some people complained about it, but it's not that hard to leave the chat and then come back once you've completed the quest.
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15-Apr-2016 22:02:01

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Sepulchre said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Hazeel said:
Never understood that mentality....what's the point of having a lore chat (FC or CC) if you don't allow spoilers during quest release? It's like "Hey, let's only allow lore discussion when everyone's done discussing it and there's nothing to discuss anymore." Asinine.


Agreed, and it's also more fun to discuss the quest in detail while mods are in the chat. We never had a no spoiler rule until DAT because some people complained about it, but it's not that hard to leave the chat and then come back once you've completed the quest.


It doesn't really matter. Spoilers on day 1 or 2 are douchey. In all the games I've played, there's been a 48 hour grace period of spoiler-free talk unless it's in private.


Not if people are just trying to discuss the content in the LORE FC. The obvious solution is to avoid it until you've played the quest if you don't want it to be spoiled for you.
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22-Apr-2016 15:27:10

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Mod Stu intends to be in the chat for River of Blood's release day. Please note that the chat will NOT be spoiler-free. If you do not want to see spoilers, avoid the chat until you have completed the quest.
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22-Apr-2016 19:43:02

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Hazeel said:
1) Can't believe we didn't even get the choice to kill Vanescula. -*-



Are you actually surprised? There's pretty much no player choice in the Myreque quests other than dialogue options that don't go anywhere (not that I want it in this series). Giving players the choice to kill Vanescula or let her live would make it so much more difficult to do spinoff content.
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25-Apr-2016 22:52:49

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Ascertes said:
Alrighty, even though Lupus and Michael have yet to do their match up, I'm going to post the round 2 brackets.

The brackets are as follows:

WINNER'S BRACKET

Ere* Lapucet
Vs.
AesirWarrior

Kebabthief
Vs.
Winner of Michael Vs. Lupus


Dennorak
Vs.
Ascertes


CONSOLATION BRACKET

Syrus Coy
Vs.
Aterivus
WINNER:

Aterivus

UPDATES PENDING.


Has anyone seen him around anywhere? Because I still haven't.
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29-Apr-2016 18:41:02

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Ascertes said:
MaidenáChina said:
this is the one thread where we're not here to discuss lore and have fun... and I dont much like it

It might be a good idea to sticky and lock it, maybe, and people will know about the fc without going here to discuss... stuff that has no relevance to lore


Yeah but if it's not here it'll spill over into threads. And this thread has been moved before but we got it back, and as I understand it the premise was since it concerns the Lore Community specifically, and its operated by some of its most active members, it deserved to stay in the Lore Forum.

And we do occasionally discuss real lore here, but he haven't been thrown a bone in a while :P


Yeah, this thread is j mod-approved to be here.
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23-Aug-2016 00:13:01

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Hazeel said:
We were discussing this a couple of days ago in the FC, and I was just curious what everyone's take on this is:

Do you think the game would be better without tiers? Which is to say, there's only "Elder Gods", "Gods", and "Demi-Gods". A Gods power is more individualized depending on their talents and knowledge.


I don't mind the tiers so much being something that players are aware of, but it shouldn't have been mentioned in DAT, Zamorak's rise in power could have been better explained by stating that he regained the power lost at the BoL. Making it something that in-game characters are aware of was an odd choice, being that Second Age humans wouldn't really have any accurate way of determining how the gods compared to one another. To our knowledge, they never got together for the divine olympics.
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28-Aug-2016 12:39:57

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First off, Iĺll preface this by saying that this probably wonĺt be popular among staunch Armadylean players who identify with Armadylĺs ideology as itĺs presented in the game. That said, as far as Iĺm concerned, the first priority should be to portray the gods as intriguing characters, surrounded by interesting events, rather than as morally agreeable characters. For the most part, the major young gods fit the bill. On the other hand, Armadyl, while he does have the excuse of a lack of content, is not one of them. This is all highly subjective, of course, but Iĺve decided to present an interpretation of the character that I personally think would have been much more interesting.

Motivation:

First off, the aviansie fighting in the God Wars Dungeon should be the only surviving members of their race. No deserters should have made it back to Abbinah, or, at the very least, they shouldnĺt have survived there. Unfortunately, the concept of bringing back races thought to be extinct/on the brink of extinction has become a recurring theme in Runescape, so thereĺs no reason to get invested in it.

The death of Armadylĺs people was the ideal opportunity for a major behavioral shift for the character. Sure, he took on the ôaspect of the phoenix,ö but now heĺs more or less just a less interesting clone of Saradomin rather than his underling. The motivation of his personal tragedy would have been much more believable if Abbinah had never been repopulated. Guilt, a desire for self-redemption, and a desire to enact justice upon those who harmed his people should be the factors that drive him to action, not the dream of an idealistic utopia.

Side note: Armadyl never thought to return to Abbinah and check for any surviving aviansie before going on a depressed, soul-searching journey across the universe? Seriously? I donĺt buy it.

Continued...
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Personality:

Now as I mentioned, Armadylĺs personal tragedy should have had a much more profound effect on the evolution of the character. He shouldnĺt just be the same character, making the same mistakes, with the exception of a newfound willingness to kill whenever absolutely necessary. He should have become a much grittier character, one with a pessimistic outlook on the intrinsic nature of good. He should almost have a sense of self-loathing for failing his people. Additionally, there should be an inner turmoil present within him, which brings me to my next point.

Ideology:

The upbeat, optimistic, peaceful coexistence-hippie approach is nothing short of annoying. We have enough peace-seeking gods as it is, and theyĺre all much more interesting characters. Instead, the aspect of justice so commonly associated with Armadyl should have come to the forefront of his beliefs. Not a clear-cut sense of justice, but one that he struggles to differentiate with revenge. He seeks justice, but revenge seeks to consume him. He should constantly be struggling to find that line.

Continued...
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This would all have led to an excellent added dynamic in the conflicts of the Sixth Age. Instead of having a six week staring contest with Bandos, he should have been actively hunting each of the other major gods, blaming each of them for their role in crimes against his people. He would also be acting mostly as an individual, in direct contrast to the others, who hold vast armies under their sway. In this sense, his role would bear a faint similarity to what we know of Skargarothĺs actions prior to his death.

Armadylĺs reasoning for having a vendetta with the other young gods? Zamorak killed most of what remained of the aviansie when he destroyed Forinthry with the Stone of Jas. Bandos prolonged the carnage of the God Wars and added needlessly to the bloodshed. Saradomin dragged the aviansie into the fray in the first place. Armadyl himself failed as their guide and protector.

So yeah, Runescape Batman. Discuss.
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A reminder, because for some reason we always have to remind everyone, the chat will NOT be spoiler-free for the release of the Throne Room and Children of Mah. Also, Mod Ollie plans to hang out in the chat for the release of the latter.
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03-Nov-2016 18:00:55

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A few things I want to see addressed about the mahjarrat in Children of Mah:

Kharshai: Who tried to assassinate him? How will he react to being the most obvious target for the next ritual of rejuvenation?

Enakhra: The importance of being the last surviving female mahjarrat. More of her rivalry with Akthanakos.

Hazeel: Explore more of his relationship with Zamorak and Khazard. What's the deal with the horns? What are his plans for Ardougne? One line confirming that Jerrod will be working with him.

Khazard: Explore more of his relationship with Hazeel. Who is his father? How important are the circumstances of his unique birth?

Bilrach: General exploration of his relatonship with the other Zamorakian mahjarrat.

Moia: Delve deeper into her relationship with Zamorak. Being a hybrid, how did her creation/birth work?

Zemouregal: Insolence directed at Moia and Bilrach for no longer being the alpha Zamorakian mahjarrat. Even more distrust of the player than any of the other mahjarrat. Did the events of DAT actually secure his loyalty to Zamorak?

Azzanadra: More of his dedication to Zaros. A demonstration of the amount of sheer power that he possesses. Hostile interaction between him and Zamorak.

Wahisietel: Address the reality of the Muspah. How will he react to the confirmation of the existance of Mah? He did not know of Zaros' return until the player informed him - Will this be his first time meeting his god since his return, and if so, how will he react? Having allied with the player multiple times in the past, how will he react if we side against Zaros?

Akthanakos: Literally anything to make him a less dull character. More of his rivalry with Enakhra.
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N7spongy said:
ChaosáLupus said:
Mod Ollie plans to hang out in the FC for the release of Children of Mah.
Can we possibly get a time? I'm usually at school :(


J Mods usually join the chat before release and stay around for a few hours. It'll depend on whether or not Ollie has other things to do, but he was around for a quite a while on TLW's release day.
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07-Nov-2016 04:42:32

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Cthris said:
So anyone want to theorize how Zamorak lost a tier by getting a hit by Saradomin's blast in Battle of Lumbridge, but even though Zamorak, Saradomin, Armadyl, and Bandos were at the epi-center of the wilderness nuking, powered by the most power object in the universe, none of them as far as we know were even injured?


My guess would be that they either teleported away just in time or were able to put up shields (similar to Azzanadra in the desert) to protect themselves because the blast wasn't focused. Still, that wouldn't excuse how poorly the ending of the BoL was handled. IMO Zamorak losing was the more interesting of the two potential outcomes of that situation because an ambitious Zamorak is more interesting than a humbled Saradomin, but it makes no sense that Zamorak would lose power after draining it for ten weeks straight just because he got hit.
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23-Dec-2016 04:45:02

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Wait, they're not running the forums like a preschool classroom right now? That's awesome, long overdue. Personally, I'd have gone for no rules whatsoever, but I'll take what I can get. Hopefully this sticks.
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