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Ja son

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Sliske is one of runescape's most elusive and mysterious characters that exists in lore. No one can say what his motives truly are, or what he plans to do. However after thinking about it for a while, I believe that I have found a theory that fits right into the lore and would explain everything about Sliske and his plans for gielinor.

So Sliske’s personality is that he enjoys playing games with people, much like your stereotypical villain in a cheesy superhero story. He is described as cunning and manipulative, and will betray his allies faster than Armadyl can run from a frying pan. But despite all this his goals has never been clear….until now.

So our character's first noteworthy interaction with Sliske (that I can think of) is in the events of the quest ritual of the mahjarrat. Now I do want to clarify that during this time I do not think Sliske’s plan with the stone of jas was even in his mind. Right now, with the events of ritual of the mahjarrat, I believe Sliske’s plans don’t stretch much further than what he typically does in his sunday afternoon. He tries to turn us into one of his barrows wight recognizing our potential and skill, but I doubt he could have known how important our role would be in the coming of the sixth age.
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08-Apr-2016 14:04:51 - Last edited on 08-Apr-2016 14:06:09 by Ja son

Ja son

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Now let us fast forward to the events in the quest the world wakes which is generally accepted as the starting point of the sixth age. During the quest the player would find Guthix’s temple upon where he slept, and following a series of events, guthix would die at the hands of Sliske. However in our vision with Guthix, it was revealed that it was Guthix’s plan all along to die as shown in the following transcript from w*kiped*a:

“Player, I have been the most powerful being on Gielinor since my arrival. Of course I could have stopped Sliske if I had desired to. But I embrace my death. It must occur, if the world is to be balanced. If the gods return, another war is inevitable. Gielinor must be returned to peace before war destroys it... before it becomes like my own home. A dead, desolate wasteland... Gielinor must be protected, Player. But not by me. By a mortal. Someone with the power to defend against the gods, but not the power to be one. “


However, looking back upon this I find it particularly odd that on how his plan would have actually worked. Remember that Sliske at the time is still officially a zarosian, and the zarosian faction had no interest in killing guthix. All of the factions that were actively trying to kill guthix at the time were already defeated, thanks to you and the guardians of guthix. Even if you chose to side with Commander Zilyana, Guthix would have no basis on planning the fact that it would be Sliske to kill him. Its also worth noting that Sliske is the only one with a weapon capable of killing a god, so Guthix’s chances of dying to anyone other than Sliske was virtually zero. This is what the first part of my theory hinges on.
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08-Apr-2016 14:05:00 - Last edited on 08-Apr-2016 14:06:31 by Ja son

Ja son

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I believe that Sliske and Guthix had made contact before the events of the the world wakes and prearranged the events that would transpire. This would explain multiple things:

-Sliske was the one of the first ones in the temple despite it mere moments when the player discovered it.

-Sliske had obtained the shaft of armadyl from the dragonkin and constructed a replacement orb long before the temple was even found. Why was he so interested in the staff when the temple wasn't even found, unless this was a prearranged plan between him and Guthix.

-It would explain why Sliske did not ascend to godhood like Zamorak. It was because this was he did not *kill” guthix more along the lines of released him.
Another possibility would be that Sliske simply chose to reject the godly powers as agreed with Guthix.


Now then the major question here is why. Why would Sliske, a sadistic, manipulative mahjarrat ever side with guthix? Well as we know Sliske is a very old mahjarrat, older than even some of the gods. Now in his long age, he must have seen all the destruction, and chaos the gods can cause, and perhaps taught himself to enjoy it. However, after zaros fell, what if he were to somehow stumble upon guthix’s temple, or even just make contact with through a magical vision. I don’t think it would be too much of a stretch to say that Sliske just might have been convinced by some of Guthix’s ideals and philosophies. I doubt Sliske will be willing to become Guthix’s worshipper as I just don’t see Sliske becoming a subordinate of Guthix, but maybe he would have been willing to become his ally. When Zaros returned to gielinor in Fate of the gods he recognized the shift in loyalty within sliske and dismissed him.
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08-Apr-2016 14:05:08 - Last edited on 08-Apr-2016 14:07:06 by Ja son

Ja son

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So now the guthix has died and the god have returned. Sliske immediately sets up a contest for the stone of jas that pits all of the gods together in a free for all war. Well if we assumed what I previously theorized was true then the answer is simple. Sliske is trying to carry out Guthix’s legacy and protect gielinor from the gods.

Sliske is trying to thin out and reduce the number of gods that can bring harm to gielinor by pitting them against one another...but the contest also serves another reason...

Notice how none of the gods have tried to press their influence upon gielinor yet? In the first god wars, entire cities were razed, empires were built and made to conquer and world wide bloodshed was held.

With Sliske’s contest the factions are preoccupied with each other, and while there has been some minor collateral damage, for the most part, the war has been contained within the factions and very few civilian lives have been harmed. With Sliske’s contest the gods simply do not have the luxury of doing things like invading and conquering a country because they are so busy with dealing with each other.
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08-Apr-2016 14:05:14 - Last edited on 08-Apr-2016 14:07:44 by Ja son

Ja son

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It’s also worth noting that there has been a very slight shift in Sliske’s attitude towards the player ever since the events of the world wakes. He has taken a lot more interest in you and went from a sadistic Jigsaw like figure, to a more tactless prankster. He does everything from making an entire factory for you to “save” (and calling you a cow along the way) to sending his shadow improved barrows for you to fight.

It’* possible that he may consider the player to be something of a foolish younger brother, as both of you inherited power from guthix, and both of you were tasked to protect gielinor from the gods.

So with all of the above reasons, I believe that Sliske is trying to carry out the legacy of Guthix.

But...I could be wrong..Maybe Sliske is just an evil being with his own twisted agenda.

What do you think?

After all it's just a theory...a ga *cough* runescape theory.
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08-Apr-2016 14:05:25 - Last edited on 08-Apr-2016 14:08:02 by Ja son

sir eos lee

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Calling someone "good" and "bad" is a matter of perspective.

Is Sliske a Mahjarrat on a mission from god? Quite possible.

Guthix tried to protect the world, he saw the Elder Gods coming.
Maybe he realized his methods to protect the world weren't working, on top of, yes, he was tired of it all.
Sliske gave him an opening. As you said, they conspired together.

Is it possible Guthix basically charge Sliske with finding someone capable of defeating the Elder Gods?
But Guthix left it Sliske to go about it in his own way, possibly even knowing what sort of havoc Sliske would do in the process?
But as 1 last try to do things his way, he made the World Guardian as 1 more back up plan.

Sliske's interest in us is partially because, like guthix, that the player is the one capable of beating the Elder Gods.

08-Apr-2016 15:29:33

Lord Remus

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It's been a little while since this theory has been mentioned, but I'm glad to see it's re-emergence as it was something I took an interest in.

There have been a few things that have always bothered me and made me question Sliske's true motive:

1. His knowledge of Guthix's teachings and more so the fact he seemed to know about the workings of Guthix's Retreat a bit to well.

2. The convenience of the circumstances and his seemingly having the foresight of a Timelord. He knew almost exactly what everyone would do and took advantage of it far too smoothly to be simply improvising.

3. Why Guthix would allow someone like Sliske to kill him when we would have probably done it for him if he asked us to?

"Balance must have a counter-balance..."

The conclusion I came to is that there is an overall plan formed by Guthix we are yet to be informed of and we act as the counter-balance to Sliske or vise-versa.
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08-Apr-2016 15:57:17

Autumn Elite

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Well having an elder artefact is always useful, even if it is just to stop others having it. So I don't really see the staff as strong evidence.

It is possible Sliske might have co-operated with Guthix. But is he good? No.

Even if you see his goal as removing the gods as noble, Sliske always goes about his goal with maximum damage and increased casualty rates.

Lets look at Gregorovic. A notable killer who was dying. Did Sliske stop him or kill him or just let him be? No, Sliske enabled this person to be more dangerous and even encouraged him to kill more people.

What does Sliske do with the Stone of Jas? Create a game to generate conflict between the gods. Its also notable that with the gods gone, Sliske would be one of the most if not the most powerful beings on the planet. So removing the only people who could potentially stop him - looking less noble now.

I think it was best demonstrated in Missing Presumed Death. How did Sliske get Icthlarin's attention? By murdering a group of monks and an elf whilst kidnapping Death. Whether his end goal is noble or not, he chose to go about it in a way that harmed others simply as he finds it amusing. That is what makes him a villain. Think of him like Nomad. Whatever his end goal was doesn't matter, he is a threat and cruel and deserves to be put down.
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08-Apr-2016 22:08:26

Lord Remus

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Raleirosen said:
His masks also suggest some measure of duality. Light and dark, comedy and tragedy, good and evil...


Ironically, a form of balance.
I'm Godless although I consider myself Independent/Unaligned I "We create ourselves through life. Every victory, every failure and every lesson learned from them... Make us who we are. Once we have lived life to it's end, that is when we realise who we are... or more accurately, who we were."

08-Apr-2016 22:34:19

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