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MystLunaris

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Largely based on many assumptions and speculations

Ok so the overall idea of this theory is that Zaros is the 6th Elder god.
I'm going to keep this first post as bare bones as possible and give further detail and speculation in the posts below this.
Zaros at some point in the future slays Xau-Tak or another God-like creature from The Void or multiple ones, this gives him enough power to ascend to Elder Godhood (or higher).
The Void contains various other Godlike entities as powerful or maybe more so than the other Elder Gods. (This point will be explained in much more detail below)
After ascending to Elder Godhood Zaros travels back in time and beings corrupting Mah to ensure that he and everyone else is created.
Zaros' actions from here are hard to place, he may spend time researching the threat of The Void and the new power it has given him, he may help build worlds and life or he might just go into the future (assuming his new formless form isn't omnipresent through time).
Somewhere in that point of time though, Elder God Zaros will subtly make Transcendent God Zaros visit Gilenor.
Then later Elder God Zaros will arrive on Gilenor to control the fate of the world and the player (who probably helps him ascend to Elder Godhood), Elder God Zaros' most important action here is bestowing upon the Trahaearn Inventor the knowledge to make the Amserdrwys and then making them forget it all and burn all their notes in a fire.
Elder God Zaros' next most important action will be creating the player.
Amserdryws and the player are important for 2 reasons, that's how he kills Xau-Tak, the player uses Amserdryws to go back in time and onboard The Glory of Zaros and gain information for Zaros about Xua-Tak and that is how Gustaf Joannhes knows the player's name.
Then Zaros (and maybe a group of other people) will kill Xau-Tak and Zaros will become an Elder God.
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23-Sep-2017 22:05:16 - Last edited on 24-Sep-2017 00:13:52 by MystLunaris

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So, how powerful are Gods from The Void and what does Xau-Tak really have to do with all of this?
Well the Lore section of the recent Runefest showed us that there is some kind of bubble protecting our universe from the Void, although Gutix tore a hole in this with The Blade.
Now with as powerful as the Elder Gods are, why would they feel a need to create a protective bubble to separate our universe from The Void?
Unless there are beings in The Void more powerful than even the Elder Gods, or at least similarly powerful but more numerous, so the Gods from The Void are certainly very powerful.
And it is of note that there is likely more than one God, or one extremely powerful God split into various less powerful but still immensely powerful Gods, otherwise, it seems unlikely that such a variety of life could be made in The Void.
As for Xau-Tak, while unconfirmed it is possible that Xau-Tak remained on Gilenor even after the Edicts were enacted, which puts its power at least above Guthix, Zaros and Seren, even if not fully into the power of an Elder God.
There's also another more impressive measure of power, it survived Guthix stabbing it with The Blade and the subsequent destruction of the world it was inhabiting.
I don't know the exact amount of power you'd need to survive getting stabbed with an Elder Artifact by a God with a force strong enough to destroy a planet, but that's got to be a lot of power, especially considering that for most Gods one small stab with an Elder Artifact is enough.
Even if Xau-Tak is only one of the tendrils from that thing, that's still a scary amount of power.
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23-Sep-2017 22:05:22 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2017 23:32:55 by MystLunaris

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The relationship between the player and Zaros.

Something that's always interested me and kind of became the basis for this theory is wondering why in a world where the player doesn't exist (Dimension of Disaster) does Zaros also not step foot on Gilenor?
They must be linked somehow, right? But how?
It seems likely that Zaros was somehow responsible for us being born/made/whatever and we are in turn somehow responsible for Zaros being made.
I've gone over our probable involvement with defeating Xau-Tak and then Zaros' draining their power to become an Elder God and corrupt Mah to create life, but then that leaves the problem of well if we don't exist to make Zaros' an Elder God, then who did corrupt Mah to make her make life.
Well in Dimension of Disaster Zaros' role is replaced by Loarnab, I think it's probably safe to say that in that case, Xau-Tak would also take Zaros' role of corrupting Mah.
There isn't much more I can say about the connection between Zaros' and the player now, so I'll move on to the next topic.

Other possibilities:
The main other possibility that I realised as I was just writing that last segment, is that maybe Mah's corruption was caused by Xau-Tak all along and maybe The Great Revision is just the Elder Gods fighting against Xau-Tak.
Which then could mean that Xau-Tak is the 6th Elder God Zaros sensed on Freneskae, however, this is very unlikely as Xau-Tak is almost certainly "of form."
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23-Sep-2017 22:05:26 - Last edited on 24-Sep-2017 00:08:17 by MystLunaris

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Other things of note:
(I'll add these as other people bring them up)

Flaws:
The Void could be separated for other reasons.
If it's assumed that Xau-Tak wasn't affected by the Edicts, what was Xau-Tak doing? Sleeping? Or was it somehow still trapped/immobilised.
Wouldn't a Zaros with Elder God powers already have fulfilled his promises?
(I'll add more of these as other people bring them up)
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23-Sep-2017 22:05:29 - Last edited on 24-Sep-2017 01:02:14 by MystLunaris

Giras
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Sounds like a bad fanfiction. You're also assuming a lot of things without any evidence behind them. The elder gods could need to protect normal planes from the void for any number of reasons. We already know the Void is a rather unstable place with how the ZMI mage needs to constantly focus to maintain stability. It's far more likely that the Void in its natural state is far too unstable to sustain creation.

Also, nowhere does it say that Guthix blew up the plane that he stabbed into. It was only confirmed that he tore too deeply into the space inbetween planes and ended up creating a stable portal through which pests could pour into Gielinor.

Also the vast amounts of Zarosian fanboyism makes the whole thing cringeworthy to read.
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23-Sep-2017 23:42:20

Cthris

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Giras said:
You're also assuming a lot of things without any evidence behind them.
That's what an assumption is; "a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof." (Google Dictionary)

24-Sep-2017 00:01:40

MystLunaris

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Giras said:
You're also assuming a lot of things without any evidence behind them.


Yeh I didn't really want to present this as anything but that, so now I've added a header just to make that absolutely clear.

Giras said:
Also, nowhere does it say that Guthix blew up the plane that he stabbed into. It was only confirmed that he tore too deeply into the space inbetween planes and ended up creating a stable portal through which pests could pour into Gielinor.


You seem to be confusing two events there Guthix destroyed Renmark with The Blade when trying to destroy Xau-Tak/The parasite that inhabited that planet, shattering the planet into fragments and The parasite into various tendrils that were both scattered across the universe.

Later Guthix cut into the Void and shattered the Blade.

Giras said:
Also the vast amounts of Zarosian fanboyism makes the whole thing cringeworthy to read.


Unfortunately, I can't really help my Zarosian fanboyism.
Speculation about the 6th Elder God not being a character we already know leads nowhere as we have next to no information about them.
Zaros is currently the only God that even states they want to be an Elder God and is also the only God that if there were to become one would probably opt to be "not of form"
So that's just where speculation took me.

Although if anyone could reword what I'm saying to be easier for people to read then I would be thankful.
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24-Sep-2017 00:31:50

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My theory is, and continues to be, that the '6th elder god' is nothing more than the Stone of Jas.

It is an elder god egg, hence why its presence felt like an elder god.
It was 'hard-boiled' so that it couldn't hatch into an physical elder god, ergo: without form.

At the time, there was no way Zaros (wasn't alive), Seren (wasn't alive), or even Mah (didn't emerge from the crater until her sisters had already left) could have been aware of the creation of the Catalyst, so he made the best assumption he could from the data he had.

It would only be after his experience(s) with the Catalyst on Gielinor that he could reconcile this mistake, which is why we haven't heard any mention of the '6th' anywhere outside of that memory.

24-Sep-2017 01:59:08

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Giras said:
Sounds like a bad fanfiction. You're also assuming a lot of things without any evidence behind them. The elder gods could need to protect normal planes from the void for any number of reasons. We already know the Void is a rather unstable place with how the ZMI mage needs to constantly focus to maintain stability. It's far more likely that the Void in its natural state is far too unstable to sustain creation.

Also, nowhere does it say that Guthix blew up the plane that he stabbed into. It was only confirmed that he tore too deeply into the space inbetween planes and ended up creating a stable portal through which pests could pour into Gielinor.

Also the vast amounts of Zarosian fanboyism makes the whole thing cringeworthy to read.


The void thing: Ummm.... Then how did it survive all the past revisions that did not sustain life? -_-

Guthix blowing up stuff: Yes it does. It's in one of the memory Engrams. Its the reason Renmark was destroyed.
Source: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Renmark

Pest Portal: Was not a portal. He weakened the barrier between them, so they could sneak through, like moths through a torn screen.

24-Sep-2017 02:06:56

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